NAVY CRUSH

[gman2]

Sit back and watch Gman...you're questions will be answered

this is 2005. therefore almost every colorado state game has been televised on the espn game plan package because of their mountain west affiliation. and navy has a parternship with cstv.com that has allowed every one of their games to be broadcast as well. so we're not talking about "unknowns" -- these teams get just as much exposure as anyone. im just interested in knowing what you find so appealing about a team that hasn't beat a team with a winning record all season. their schedule has been an absolute joke. there are a handful of 6-5 teams (or 5-6 teams for that matter) that would rip apart navy but are sitting home for bowl season. in the past, youve made arguments for good football teams. but now, youre making an argument for a team who hasn't recorded a victory against a team w/ a winning record. playing the competiton they have, my god i hope they'd be able to have good numbers against teams like tulane, duke, and kent state.

 

[gman2]

whoops, forgot to add rice in there

 

[gman2]

also, if i recall correctly you made some comparison between the mountain west and the mac.

i can assure you, the mountain west was 50 times better than the mac this year. the mac was a joke this year in football.

 

[socrstud]

Gman did you see the nevada game? Nevada should of won that game but luckily the qb had a meltdown in the second half and threw like 3 int's. If these 3 int's were not thrown it would be CSU sitting at home eating tostitos watching the Tostio and poinsetta bowl for that matter. this was a gift to CSU....They really shouldn't even be here. However, they are....The reason why I love this team is because NEVADA RAN THE CRAP OUT OF THE BALL AND IF THEY WOULD OF KEPT IT UP WITH THEIR SPEADSTER THEY WOULD HAVE KILLED NEVADA. PERIOD...and if you deny that you are living on another planet GMAN. THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT NAVY WILL DO WITHOUT THE INT"S. THEY ARE GOING TO RUN THIS PITIFUL DEFFENSE INTO THE GROUND WITH NO REMORSE....Like I said before and you watch...."MOSES" would not be able to help this CSU deffensive line agianst army....The run will show exactly what nevada could have done to this army team.....I'll look up the stats on Nevada's running back and let you know how many yards and yards per rush he had ok....And I'll also look up TCU's stats and they're running on CSU....This is how you beat this team and this is how Navy will win.

Their is something to be said about how Navy will come to play also.....This team is going to come to show how a strong academy comes to put the beat down on a mediocre state school...

 

[socrstud]

Still say navy by at least 7-10 points

 

[gman2]

Gman did you see the nevada game? Nevada should of won that game but luckily the qb had a meltdown in the second half and threw like 3 int's. If these 3 int's were not thrown it would be CSU sitting at home eating tostitos watching the Tostio and poinsetta bowl for that matter. this was a gift to CSU....They really shouldn't even be here

colorado state led nevada 21-0 at the end of the 1st quarter.

colorado state led 21-7 at halftime.

colorado state led 21-14 at the end of the 3rd quarter.

colorado state beat nevada 42-21

rowe threw 2 interceptions.
1 in the first quarter, and the other in the 4th quarter when nevada was down 42-21.

.... on a side note, wouldn't a "proud academy" find a way to beat a sub.-500 maryland team at home, or a sub-.500 stanford team at home? or perhaps enough pride to beat at least one team with a winning record this year?

i appreciate the good back and forth.
ostensibly, navy's ground game should be able to have success. but they're the worst 7-4 team in college football aside from western michigan, who didnt win a game last year.

 

[socrstud]

My mistake my mistake....I meant New mexico...please repost comments pertaining to New mexico...CSU had a good day with Nevada, my mistake!

 

[socrstud]

Colorado State (5-3, 4-1 Mountain West) stayed in the conference title race behind TCU and ruined New Mexico halfback DonTrell Moore's big night. Moore ran for two touchdowns and 117 yards on 19 carries to become the sixth player in NCAA Division I history to rush for more than 1,000 yards in four consecutive seasons.

The Rams, who trailed 25-12 at halftime, shut down the Lobos' offense in the second half and converted three New Mexico turnovers into 17 points. Jason Smith booted three of his four field goals in the second half Colorado State comeback.

New Mexico (5-4, 3-3t) dominated the first half, but fell apart in the second half. Quarterback Kole McKamey threw two interceptions, the first was picked off by Travis Garcia and set up a 28-yard field goal by Smith. Robert Herbert made the second interception and led to a 23-yard TD run by Kyle Bell with 12:43 left that tied it at 25-all

Moore scored on runs of 1 and 29 yards and ran his season rushing total to 1,085. He broke the 1,000-yard mark with a 37-yard run to the Colorado State 1 with 5:15 left in the first quarter and scored on the next play.

Moore went into the game with 968 yards and joined Tony Dorsett, Amos Lawrence, Ron Dayne, Denvis Manns and Cedric Benson on the short list of runners with four seasons of 1,000 yards or more. His career total stands at 4,760.

Rushes-Yds CSU 41-31 New Mexico 39-191

New mexico led 25-12 first half and had a QB melt down second one.....AND LIKE I SAID IF THEY WOULD HAD STUCK WITH THE RUN THIS NIGHTMARE OF A CSU TEAM WOULD NOT BE HERE!!!!

Moore ran for two touchdowns and 117 yards on 19 carries....I can only imagine what Navy will do.

Did you see converting 3 turnovers....This is something Navy will not do and running is something they will....

do like the back and forth

 

[Dice34]

Navy does not have linemen like New Mexico (they are big) or a back like Dontrelle Moore.

 

[socrstud]

Gman good read?

---and also Dice...Navy running attack speaks for itself.......And it is a fact that Navy will be charged up and will get to QB Holland and this passing oriented offense of the CSU Rams.

So all in all I have shown everyone CSU's weakness and why I am soo hung up and ready to unload on this game....

WHAT WILL HAPPEN:
1)Navy runs 250 yards +
2)Navy gets at least one turnover
3)Navy does not turn the ball over more than once
4)Navy controls the clock and there is no chance

also Dice it doesn't matter what back you have whether its Dontrelle Moore or Reggie Bush getting 250 is getting 250 yards no matter who gets it for you.....Navy will run against this horid deffense for 250 yards......

By the way: did everyone see that moore ran for 119 yards on ONLY 19 carries.....Anyone care to disagrree that if they would have kept running the ball New Mexico wouldn't have won and CSU is sittin at home with chips and dip.....

This CSU team IS GETTING WAY TOO MUCH RESPECT!!!!

NO WAY NAVY LOSES....THIS IS A HUGE MISMATCH due to Navy's offense and deffense....

Also to note: We have seen those who win the bowls in the past and it is about 80% of the time the team with the god awful deffense that loses....

 

[gjn23]

the only huge mismatch i see in this game is the talent level of the csu rams over the navy midshipmen

other than that, it's a coin flip

what is navay going to do if they fall behind?
what is navy going to do if csu doesn't committ t/o?

you make some vaild points for navy (and i have no idea who i will be on but i MUST bet since i will be at the game ) but you seem to totally disregard that csu has anything to do with the outcome of the game.

 

[socrstud]

the only huge mismatch i see in this game is the talent level of the csu rams over the navy midshipmen

other than that, it's a coin flip

what is navay going to do if they fall behind?
what is navy going to do if csu doesn't committ t/o?

you make some vaild points for navy (and i have no idea who i will be on but i MUST bet since i will be at the game ) but you seem to totally disregard that csu has anything to do with the outcome of the game.

I diasagree with the talent level of CSU over Navy....Like I said this team is a better offensive and deffensive team and they're stats show it..However, If Navy falls behind and Holland comes out passing and starts out completing 80% of his passes it will be very hard if not impossible for Navy to catch up.....Navy's ground attack is very good and they have a pretty good secondary as well...so yes Navy is not like this unbelievable team that is unstopable and yes many average teams would beat Navy, and yes Navy doesn't have an impressive record. I agree with what everyone is saying don't get me wrong people...Gjn and Gman I agree.....But, for this 1 individual game I TRULY feel there is a big mismatch for CSU on their deffensive line that I saw when they were playing New Mexico, and this is why I immediately really liked this game....CSU is a decent passing team but really guys, that's about it. I really really feel strongly there is a mismatch amonst these two teams in favor of navy in this particular one...

best of luck gjn I'dd love to be at that one!

 

[gman2]

there's no denying navy can, and will, run the football. but their defense is NOT good. i dont care where they're ranked statistically, this is where you have to let your eyes be the judge. they let a 1-10 kent state team do whatever they wanted offensively. that was alarming. kent state was totally one-dimensional this year and had numerous games where they rushed for 10 or 20 total yards as a team. against navy, they rushed for nearly 100 and machen passed for nearly 300. that might not sound all that crazy but if you knew how bad kent's running game was this year, youd understand that if kent could run against navy, kyle bell can run against navy.

also, not that its a huge deal, but colorado state was decimated on defense the week they played new mexico. they had numerous starters out for that game. i normally dont make too big a deal about injuries but that definitely was a game where csu wasnt at 100%. im still not sure why new mexico abandoned their rushing game though because it was working.

 

[socrstud]

Ok more info to support Navy:

1)The run I've been preaching it
2) I do believe they have the better deffense
3) It's in Cali which is a big Navy town big motivator for Navy= more Navy fans = more navy players pumped.
4) Navy has something to play for being in the first ever Poinsetta bowl, which just so happens to be in Cali.
5) CSU doesn't really have anything to play for, they've been to bowls before and this is prolly they're worst one....Lubick is a great coach but it won't really matter in this game.

#3-5 are all new reasons....GJN brought to my attention that this game will be played in a big Navy town which means many more supporters and tons of momentum for Navy!!!

Too many factors going in the favor of Navy in my eyes..

GLA

 

[gman2]

im not sure where youre pulling #4 from, but navy has been in bowls the last handful of years.

 

[gman2]

if you've noticed, your reasons start of strong and weaken as they get to #5, lol because youre grasping at anything if youre saying csu doesnt have anything to play for. neither team comes into the game with national title aspirations so this might as well be the pinnacle for both programs. thats not sayin much, but thats the reality of it. both teams are going to be motivated. csu was supposed to be in a down year so if anything they are happy with where theyre at. neither team will stop one another. both defenses stink.

 

[socrstud]

no doubt they are happy...haha, hell I'dd be happy to go to a bowl gamel, I think I was making the distinction of who has more to play for than the other....I feel as though this game means more to navy in many ways...

 

[socrstud]

This is the 1st ever poinsetta bowl and its in San Diego if I'm correct....Navy has been in many bowls....I believe they're record is something like 5-5-1 I think

 

[Dice34]

This is the 1st ever poinsetta bowl and its in San Diego if I'm correct....Navy has been in many bowls....I believe they're record is something like 5-5-1 I think

Which is it, its their 1st bowl appearance or they are 5-5-1?

 

[socrstud]

I think they are 5-5-1