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The NPC (NZ's National Provincial Championship rugby season) starts this Fri (NZ time).

As with the Super 12, I will provide previews and plays on the games where I believe we have value for a wager.

Hopefully, this will give us an avenue to escape that nasty, horribly upsetting NRL and AFL stuff
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I aim, over the next few days, to post info on what to look for with each team so those interested in following may gain a basic grounding of what we're cheering
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Just recapping (and endeavouring to boost fading confidence
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2001 Super 12: 27-13 (67.50%)
International rugby: 5-4 (55.56%)
Overall: 32-17 (65.31%)
 

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Anders,

Look forward to your thoughts on the NPC.

It is a pity there is virtually no coverage of the NPC on Australian television but that is understandable with so much other sport happening this time of year.

They did show the grand final live last year where the Wellington boys (paying around $2.25) made me a few dollars.

It will also be interesting to see if any of the Australian books are going to have betting on the NPC. If not I might finally have a reason to use some of the money sitting in my NZ Tab account !!

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Anders,

Also wondering if you know how the Horowhenua rugby team have been going in recent seasons. Chances are they are still in the third division (if they still have third division) but anything is possible.

They have produced a couple of handy players in Christian Cullen and Carlos Spencer but of course they were quick to leave once the talent scouts saw how good they were.

I remember last year that one of the local Horowhenua club matches made the Australian 6 o'clock news when some fella came flying out of the crowd to make a match winning tackle.

The last thing I expected to see when I watched the news that night was the Levin Domain !!!!

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Aah, Levin - home of the legendary Turtle and the former home of my dearly departed grandparents.

Many fond memories of the little hole
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despite almost drowning as a toddler in the paddling pool at the park
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Will keep an eye on the 'nua boys this season for ya - may play a handful of Div 2 and Div 3 games on ML dogs if they appeal.

Appreciate it if you can gimme a heads-up on the Aus books if I don't get a chance - am guessing at least a few will give us some action - Centrebet? Canbet?

Also, the TAB last season - and also in the Super 12 - are notoriously slow to put up points spreads for NCP rugby - often only on the day of the game.

You can get an idea from the opening ML odds but often the spreads are ridiculously tight ; eg a $3+ dog may only get a +6.5 start
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Anders,

Last year I don't think any of the Aussie books offered betting on the NPC (except one or two who covered the grand final).

If anyone does this year I would probably say Centrebet are the most likley. I would be very surprised if Canbet or Sportodds get involved.

Guess we will find out in the next few days !!
 

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Anders, please tell me your not thinking of working for the TAB?
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NZNPC, easy money, just bet the home dogs.
 

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Or if it is rainin bet the dog...

More easy money... !
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ok my friends you come up with the winners and i will ride the kangaroo tail to the window. i will leave it all up to you,just like a stock broker. i want to make money
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Anders

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We'll do our best Eric
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And I'll ride the ... er .... what's Vegas' best-known animal, Fletch? The road runner?
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- on college football in return...

ML odds from the TAB for this opening weekend:

Otago $1.35 v Nth Harbour $3.00
Auckland $1.09 v Southland $6.50
Taranaki $1.30 v Northland $3.30
Waikato $1.16 v Counties-Manukau $5.25
Wellington $1.15 v Bay of Plenty $5.00

Matt may be able to jump in here with his conversion chart to make these numbers more familiar to Northern Hemisphere punters
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As a rough guide, I'd expect the spreads to be somewhat like this ..

Otago -6.5
Auckland -22.5
Taranaki -6.5
Waikato -18.5
Wellington -18.5

But I could be way off
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Anders were in your hands. Not bad enough we have football,golf, boxing, tennis, F1, BB, Nascar, NCAA soon. And now this to. Dam it's fun.
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Otago -285 v Nth Harbour +300
Auckland -1100 v Southland +550
Taranaki -333 v Northland +230
Waikato -625 v Counties-Manukau +375 (line moved)
Wellington -666 v Bay of Plenty +400

Auckland will not lose and should cover
Wellington also however they are notorious for starting slow, and BOP is a new team in the league this year.

Waikato/counties game may offer value, but first week is hard to judge.
 

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Just to let ya'll know. I am watcing and playing along with you again. Sometimes I feel like this place is the basement of Mad Jack's. Can't believe more people haven't taken an interest in this stuff.

Since I discovered sports betting less than a year ago I came across some advice that said to take advantage of the less popular games and to also take advantage of opinions of local experts!

Surprise! Surprise! Surprise! (Doing my best Gomer Pyle immitation). We found us a Gold Mine here!

BTW Anders... most popular creatures in Las Vegas as here in Surprise (NW Of Phoenix) are rattlesnakes, scorpions, coyotes, road runners and the occasional fox and bobcat.

Also.. we have a road runner that lives at our place. I see him most every morning now. Haven't thought of a name yet for him but he is VERY cool!

Also have a coyote that runs by here every morning between our horse pens and the neighbors ......about 4:45.. just about daybreak. I am sure that he is on the lookout for small dogs, (like Logan..our Sheltie), cats, chickens.. And since it's so damned hot now I am sure that he is also drinking out of someones horse trough, kiddie pool or ditch. So I always escort Logan if it's before full daybreak.

Ok.. back to my lurking..

I find this analysis very interesting!

Thanks!

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Last years W/L record ATS (inc playoffs)

Auckland 4-1 Home, 2-3 Away, Total 6-4
Canterbury 2-5 Home, 2-2 Away, Total 4-7
Counties 3-2 Home, 2-3 Away, Total 5-5
Nth Harbour 4-0 Home, 1-4 Away, Total 5-4
Northland 2-2 Home, 3-2 Away, Total 5-5
Otago 3-2 Home, 1-3 Away, Total 4-5
Southland 4-1 Home, 1-3 Away, Total 5-4
Taranaki 3-1 Home, 2-4 Away, Total 5-5
Waikato 2-3 Home, 3-1 Away, Total 5-4
Wellington 3-2 Home, 3-3 Away, Total 6-5

Over all Home win ATS 30 of 48 = 62.5%
Home underdog win ATS 15 of 22 = 68.2%
Home team on average win's by 7.4 points (just over a try, or a TD in NFL speak)

Home teams and Home dogs.. easy money.


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Cheers for all the outstanding info Whale
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Shame there's no home dogs this weekend. Agree things may be pretty quiet this opening weekend with the five home chalks; awaiting spreads with interest but not holding my breath
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Will soon post a brief rundown on the main title contenders ...
 

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A key initial point to note with the NPC is that the games will be effectively handicapped in two different sections - with and without the All Blacks.

For the first three or four rounds, the sides will be sans-ABs as they finish their Tri-Nations commitments. This will obviously hurt some of the "bigger" teams - Canterbury, Wellington, Otago eg, over the early rounds, but of course, the linemakers will have noted in this factor. Once the ABs return, the strengths of the respective teams will be re-evaluated.

I'll start here with a basic overview of the top teams involved, strengths and weaknesses, how they play the game etc. Questions most welcome.

WELLINGTON - defending champs. Surprised most by peaking at the right time last year to capture the crown with road playoff wins over top qualifiers Auckland and Canterbury. Their strengths are the backline stars Christian Cullen, Jonah Lomu and Tana Umaga, ever-improving first five David Holwell in partnership with wily halfback Jason Spice, a vigorous, athletic loose forward mix and mobile, ball-playing locks. They may struggle in the front row this year however and just how much the superstars have to offer will depend on a) their motivation and fitness, and b) how much quality ball they get.

CANTERBURY - title favourites and Ranfurly Shield holders. Their biggest asset is their depth - they are the only side in NZ who can still put out a formidable line-up with at least a dozen All Blacks unavailable. That should see them through the early rounds without too much damage but they do have a host of away matches to begin with. They have few weakenesses - pace out wide through Ben Blair and Marika Vunibaka, the directorship of Andrew Mehrtens and Justin Marshall, the leadership of Todd Blackadder, size in the second row and loose forwards and depths in the propping position.

AUCKLAND - tipped by many to be title contenders this season after being dumped in last season's semis. Many players should be out to make up for a horrendous Super 12 season with the Blues but the form of the bulk of the side earlier this season means there are still serious doubts over the ability and effectiveness of the "A Team". Key performers will be the ABs forgotten man in Carlos Spencer at No10, imported prop Christian Califano and converted fullback Mils Muliaina.

OTAGO - At full strength, definitely a formidable unit - especially at home at Carisbrook, the "House of Pain". But they already have injury worries with planned skipper Kelvin Middleton out indefinitely and they can't afford similar mishaps at this stage. Crucial players are the scrumhalf pairing of Byron Kelleher and Tony Brown, loose forwards Taine Randell, Josh Blackie and Paul Miller and the numerous front row options of AB skipper and hooker Anton Oliver and props Kees Meuuws, Carl Hoeft, Joe McDonnell and Marius Mostert.

WAIKATO - My home team! And a definite title threat this season. All Black commitments are few, - flanker Marty Holah, lock Mark Cooksley and midfield backs Mark Ranby and Keith Lowen only on the fringes of the squad. That should help their NPC camapign a lot. Most of this side flourished during the Chiefs' Super 12 campaign - the question will be can they continue that rise without coach John Mitchell? Watch out also for flying wingers Bruce Reihana and Roger Randle, promising first-five David Hill and inspirational No8 and captain Deon Muir. As in recent years, the big question mark remains over their front row power.

More to come when I get a mo...
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Anders we have folks that come and visit my company from. NZ,Australia,Singapore, Malaysia. and so on. They can't believe it when I ask hows your Rugby, Soccer, Or Aussie/NZ style football team doing. When I tell them I might even be nibbling a little. There reaction is fun to watch. The one fellow said but how can you know. I told him about the site. I said pay attention to a code name, Anders. This was about a week back. Im wondering if he's here. He seemed some what worried if such a thing he should do.
 

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first off:

WHALE, great stats...i can use that info against something else...

ANDERS: have you given me another great sport to bet on that's BETTER than AFL????
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(expect for the last two weeks...)

looks like the new kid on the rugby block is
gonna try and make his mark.

anders, thanks again for the info on this new sport..let's hope we nail 'em good, mate..!!!

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As suspected it seems that none of the Australian books are taking bets on the NPC (certainly none that I have found).

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It looks like the only option will be the NZ Tab who are well known for their weak lines. For those that don't have an account with them their URL is www.tab.co.nz

At this stage I am leaning towards Auckland ATS and I am hoping for something around -21.5 or -22.5 pts.
 

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At least they are showing some creativity with their markets:

Otago vs Nth Harbour
First stoppage in play

1 Lineout $2.25
2 Scrum $2.50
3 Penalty $3.75
4 Try $15.00
5 Mark $25.00
6 22m Drop Out $30.00
7 Drop Goal $50.00

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And for those brave enough to pick the NPC champion already here is the outright market:

1 Canterbury $3.50
2 Wellington $4.75
3 Auckland $4.50
4 Waikato $5.50
5 Otago $4.00
6 Nth Harbour $16.00
7 Taranaki $30.00
8 Northland $80.00
9 Counties $100.00
10 Bay of Plenty $150.00
11 Southland $150.00

I think the best on offer at present is the defending champs Wellington.
 
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