NPR: Health Care Reform interview

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Yesterday, while listening to NPR on the way home from work, I heard some guy (didn't catch who he was, but he was definitely liberal) actually say:

"When it comes to health care reform, we have to worry about all the benefits first; and worry about all the costs later."

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It is pretty clear that we cannot sit back and allow the doctors and insurance companies run wild on us. We must do something to get the costs under control. I don't know what.
 
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StevieD said:
It is pretty clear that we cannot sit back and allow the doctors and insurance companies run wild on us. We must do something to get the costs under control. I don't know what.
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Completely agree. Reforming health care is something that absolutely must happen. But taking the approach like the one quoted above will be no help to our situation.

I feel the government would run wild on us just as much (or more) than the doctors and insurance companies (and lawyers, and irresponsible consumers, and...) currently do.
 
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It would help if we could get srtaight scoop from either side. Thought I put the #'s up as we'll all be hearing this spiel from the left--

From Reid yesterday

There is no business in America that makes more money than the insurance industry--over the last 10 years their profits have been increased by 450 percent,? Reid said. ?So I?m not really in very much of a mood to worry about the insurance industry.?



http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=51800

Fact of the matter--sector profits of fortune 500 companies by sector.


Top industries: Fast growers

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dawgball said:
Completely agree. Reforming health care is something that absolutely must happen. But taking the approach like the one quoted above will be no help to our situation.

I feel the government would run wild on us just as much (or more) than the doctors and insurance companies (and lawyers, and irresponsible consumers, and...) currently do.
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I would like to know why the rest of the world can make their health care system work, and we can't? Are Americans that dumb they can't operate a system to make us all healthier? It's like saying a airplane will never fly, then you look towards another country and see them flying, WTF. Greed is a bad thing and it's worst when you're willing to let people die so you can make a dollar.

I heard AAron Carroll MD explain the best system that will work for the US. He said the system in congress is not very good. The best way is single payer, the best cost effective way.

Taiwan gives everyone a health id card. You go to the doctor, any doctor, the doctor puts your card into a reader, your medical history comes up. You get your treatment, the doctor takes your card puts it back into the reader and bills the government. If you go to the doctor too many times a month, like 28 times a month your account is red flagged and you will be interviewed, what's going on? There's no double billing very little paperwork.

The US needs single payer. Everyone must be in. Standardize price controls on treatment and drugs. No preexisting conditions, no one is denied. It will be illegal for you to be turned down (Like it is in Japan). People will stop losing their homes because they get sick.

America will save lots of money because we won't be paying for health care marketing, on CEO's golden parachutes, paying off congressman for their votes. It'll be just you and your doctor and the guy who pays the bill.
 
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THE DAMN FOOLS

THE DAMN FOOLS

What is it that the fools don't understand.Our political leaders are so crooked that they don't see this and can't see that the single payer is the way and most likely the best way. Makes more sense than anything i've heard... you pay it like you pay taxes... the more you got , the more you pay, it's not right that only the rich can get health care and the middle class are one step away from tent city.:shrug:
If the voters would only get a deck of those 52 cards that that damn fool GW put out on the IRAQI'S and on these cards put the picture of the most corrupt political leaders that we have , of course 52 want be enough,and start a campaign to get rid of these SOB'S one way or another, vote them out if we can.
Until we get rid of these crooks in our government then there is no way to expect anything to change.:thefinger
 
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WHAT THE FULK

WHAT THE FULK

Blue dog democrats are a real good example of the fake bull shit that represents the country !!
Fake polling and the news media that shows this crap is another example of whats wrong, all news media and all politicians are bought and paid for by special interest groups, they can't vote until they'er told how to vote. Blue dogs "my azz" just some crooks that proclaim to have a say on some piece of legislation so they can get more attention and of course more lobbyist money.
Don't you get sick how they spread the wealth amongst all that are in the family, there own family !!... everyone is doing it and that's why you don't hear about it.
Man .... it's like they'er from outer space sent hear to rule over a colony of slaves.
:thefinger TO OUR POLITICIANS !!
 
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Hard Times said:
What is it that the fools don't understand.Our political leaders are so crooked that they don't see this and can't see that the single payer is the way and most likely the best way. Makes more sense than anything i've heard... you pay it like you pay taxes... the more you got , the more you pay, it's not right that only the rich can get health care and the middle class are one step away from tent city.:shrug:
If the voters would only get a deck of those 52 cards that that damn fool GW put out on the IRAQI'S and on these cards put the picture of the most corrupt political leaders that we have , of course 52 want be enough,and start a campaign to get rid of these SOB'S one way or another, vote them out if we can.
Until we get rid of these crooks in our government then there is no way to expect anything to change.:thefinger
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i don't know Donny. These politicians have like farm teams in baseball. As soon as they go it's like another corrupt one appears. i see the ones around here and it seems like most are the biggest bullshitters i grew up with. Im starting to think maybe it is better to just lie, steal, and cheat and this is the way to go but unfortunately they have laws for guys like me and you when we get out of line.
 
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dawgball said:
Yesterday, while listening to NPR on the way home from work, I heard some guy (didn't catch who he was, but he was definitely liberal) actually say:

"
When it comes to health care reform, we have to worry about all the benefits first; and worry about all the costs later."
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:142smilie
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Of course cost is nothing to the batshit wingnut! He works for NPR, another POS non-ending suckling from the tit of America to keep running like PBS.

The Politicians are as dirty as the bottom of your shoe at a San Francisco PeeP Show ! So time for everyone to quit crying and get the sand outta your clit, spread the word and run for local level politics yourself and clean these scumbags out. I would run, but....
 
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whatever the stats are - really they do not matter. who here, on this forum, would like to give up their personal choice of doctor for the care at the VA ? no, one that is employed with benefits would - i guarantee it.

name any gov run program that really works...wic, medicare, post office, social security, etc. the waste never goes away - it is just moved around.

i can't wait to be in line at the doctor with a bunch of uneducated illegals (soon to be granted amnesty after this sweeping healthcare reform passes) and wonder why did i go to college in the first place. why do i pay my bills on time ?

i absolutely love paying taxes on everthing and am excited about them going up again. soon i will stop drinking sodas. i have alread cut my drinking of alcohol in half. i own 2 cars (both payed for) yet i do not always re-new the tags on both every year. i use a company phone for everything - i have no home phone line. i try to avoid extra charges (gov taxes) on everything i can, but they still clip my family for 30-40 percent of our income. there is no incentive for me to want to pay more. however, i will continue to pay more and earn less based on gov programs for all.

government healthcare is the final straw at leading this country into socialism.
 
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ELVIS said:
whatever the stats are - really they do not matter. who here, on this forum, would like to give up their personal choice of doctor for the care at the VA ? no, one that is employed with benefits would - i guarantee it.

name any gov run program that really works...wic, medicare, post office, social security, etc. the waste never goes away - it is just moved around.

i can't wait to be in line at the doctor with a bunch of uneducated illegals (soon to be granted amnesty after this sweeping healthcare reform passes) and wonder why did i go to college in the first place. why do i pay my bills on time ?

i absolutely love paying taxes on everthing and am excited about them going up again. soon i will stop drinking sodas. i have alread cut my drinking of alcohol in half. i own 2 cars (both payed for) yet i do not always re-new the tags on both every year. i use a company phone for everything - i have no home phone line. i try to avoid extra charges (gov taxes) on everything i can, but they still clip my family for 30-40 percent of our income. there is no incentive for me to want to pay more. however, i will continue to pay more and earn less based on gov programs for all.

government healthcare is the final straw at leading this country into socialism.
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I agree with every word. Let me add, thermostat set at 80 in the summer and 64 in the winter. There are no more pennies to be pinched in my household. I do as much purchasing as well as selling on ebay as I can. ( no taxes , yet )
 
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Bush was horrible. 98% of us agree. Why can't you look at Obama as Obama, not a comparison to Bush. Obama has spent more in bail outs than all the other president's combined and he isn't done.
 
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