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There is little, if any, chance that Trevor Hoffman and Bud Black were involved in an elaborate conspiracy to lose this game. Why on earth would Trevor Hoffman, a multi-millionaire and future hall of famer, give up what is likely his last chance to enter the postseason:shrug:

Because he is told what to do. What the hell does he care about the post season? He threw them balls right down the middle just like he did on Friday when he stiffed. Its not about him making more money and everything to do about him being told what to do and to keep his mouth shut so the books could win a fortune and robbed the public. I wonder if that center fielder is on the take to.:shrug: Mis judge two balls in a row and then had a guy dead at home and threw it fifty feet wide.:shrug: I can't remember a time when i played ball that i was more than ten feet from the plate on a throw from the outfield. It was the easiest throw to make. these are pros and he is throwing it fifty feet wide?:shrug:
 

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I didn't "attempt" to disprove you spooge. I flat out said you were an idiot for repeating it.

So which is it spooge?

Do you believe that slot machines in casinos are rigged by the house?

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Were you 'just passing on' what someone said about something without really knowing about it yourself firsthand?

You might have to go back and read it Marine. The person that told me was an employee and my first cousin. Remember Marine? He came to my house to show me his newborn? It wasn't the reason he came by. He just dropped that little tidbit because he saw the card hanging from my lamp. I didn't give two shits because i don't play slots, but when i saw the topic i just pitched in. Bottom line it pisses me off when decent people are getting robbed and they don't even realize it. What is truly amazing is that while they are being robbed they fight with the guy that is pointing it out to them.:shrug: there is absolutely nothing in this for me to point this shit out but trying to wake a few up. Yeah, yeah , yeah i hear the stupid attention whore line. That is a classic one from a guy that gets robbed to death.
 

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Good post Sponge. Our politicians are corrupt. Our police are corrupt. Our whole freagin world is corrupt but theres no way professional sports and the billions wagered each yr have surcumb to any corruption? Even when we now know for a FACT that an NBA Ref has been doing it? I respect the fact that some people want to believe in the sanctity of the game but the proof is already there. BIG MONEY= Corruption and foul play. Theres no way around it. You are very naive if you think differently.

Boozer stay the hell in here because you are the guy i fight for. The guy that thinks its rigged but got torn down by the others. I remember you post last year and of course the reason was because you bet the game and it was sour grapes. I saw that post and just commented on it very lightly because this is the one thread where i have been banned before. Not here tho.
 

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Please point to the post where you predicted that a single NBA official would get caught trying to shore up his gambling habit and be indicted.

You can't because you never said any such thing. You have claimed that there is an organized effort in place that is so obvious to you that you are able to predict which NBA games are fixed. The problem is that you have not been able to demonstrate this incredible ability to anyone.

Then take off your selective glasses and go back and do some reading. And do me a favor while you are at it. You show me the post where I said i predicted this NBA official would get pinched?:shrug: . I never once said that but if you want to spin my words and say i did its par for the course.
 

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You're right, they weren't built on sports bets at all.

Most casinos would rather close their sportsbooks and fill the area with slot machines as sports is the smallest revenue per square foot and something that they can not control.

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You might have to go back and read it Marine. The person that told me was an employee and my first cousin. Remember Marine? He came to my house to show me his newborn? It wasn't the reason he came by. He just dropped that little tidbit because he saw the card hanging from my lamp. I didn't give two shits because i don't play slots, but when i saw the topic i just pitched in. Bottom line it pisses me off when decent people are getting robbed and they don't even realize it. What is truly amazing is that while they are being robbed they fight with the guy that is pointing it out to them.:shrug: there is absolutely nothing in this for me to point this shit out but trying to wake a few up. Yeah, yeah , yeah i hear the stupid attention whore line. That is a classic one from a guy that gets robbed to death.

You forward all the chain e-mail letters you get too dont you.

OK, so you believe what your first cousin told you.

Now, for all the disgruntled casino employees who have been fired in the past... none of them ever went to the press, the gaming control boards.. or anyone screaming to them how the casino controls the payouts on the slot machines based on their whims.

you spooge, are an idiot.

oh my god, wait, no... i am the idiot. I can;t fvcking believe i just wasted a minute typing this.
 

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You forward all the chain e-mail letters you get too dont you.

OK, so you believe what your first cousin told you.

Now, for all the disgruntled casino employees who have been fired in the past... none of them ever went to the press, the gaming control boards.. or anyone screaming to them how the casino controls the payouts on the slot machines based on their whims.

you spooge, are an idiot.

oh my god, wait, no... i am the idiot. I can;t fvcking believe i just wasted a minute typing this.

Marine this was a brand new facility. Did i ever say it happens at any other place? I have an employee who has been there probably over ten years tell me this and you have dick besides your silly following the sheep mentality. What the hell do they do to you when you sign up for the military? My cousin is a Marine but he never became this gullible.
 

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Sponge? You ever made a bet in Las Vegas? You can't make a $200 NBA bet without getting "approval" from a supervisor for fuk sake!

(But, maybe I happen to accidentally be betting on the fixed side, and they don't want to be losing that extra two hundy, huh?)



You guys give me nothing but smoke and mirrors. Agent posts this shit:


Arizona at St. Louis

Rams will somehow win this game, watch and see! Potential culprits= Normally sure handed James suddenly goes butter fingers? Leinhart is in with the wrong group but with the QB carousel that is too risky. Maybe a corner or 2, I will report back.

This line just looks too fukcing fishy to me. And better yet, it opened at -1?

Rams win, thhhhhheeeeee Rams win....:SIB


That's some wonderful "inside information". You guys don't "know" anything. It's all pure fukking speculation! Since you two are now pen-pals, maybe you're working on a book deal!

Telling me the Rams will win this game is about as impressive as saying Tiger will win a Major next year.


I'm thinking Agent's just fuking around.......Sponge is for real, though!
 

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I have an employee who has been there probably over ten years tell me this and you have dick besides your silly following the sheep mentality.

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It wouldnt be the first time yu lied through your teeth.

The slots in Vegas have a allowable pay out. They can adjust the percentages. thats a known fact.

They want people to win so they will continue to lose everything they came with.
 

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Marine this was a brand new facility. Did i ever say it happens at any other place? I have an employee who has been there probably over ten years tell me this and you have dick besides your silly following the sheep mentality. What the hell do they do to you when you sign up for the military? My cousin is a Marine but he never became this gullible.

oh how the plot thickens!
which is it donkey? new facility or 10 year old facility?

perhaps there is a consipracy as to when the establishment was created... did it operate underground for 8 years or something?
 

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The law requires that the payback percentage of a slot machine is above a certain level. This varies from region to region, but usually it is somewhere around 75%. However, the payback percentage of most slot machines is much higher than the minimum - often between 90 to 98%, excluding progressive slot machines (learn more about progressive slots here). This is for the simple reason that higher payouts attract more people, and casinos don't want their competitors to have an edge. Some people have also surmised that slot machines at airports and other places besides casinos have significantly lower payout rates in comparison.

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I thought everyone knew this. :shrug:
 

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How bout 21 or baccarat? Does the house fix those too? They might have like a midget inside the shuffeling machine stacking the deck or something.
 

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Scott,

Sponge ( i think) agrees with your statement. What he has "passed on" to us is that the casino can turn a dial to go from "boomswitch" to "doomswitch" and alter the win rate on a machine at will by the flick of a button at any point they feel like.

Yes, you read that right. The casino can remotely tap into the actual slot machine and adjust its payout rate based on your players card and if you win too much, they will cut you off.
 

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oh how the plot thickens!
which is it donkey? new facility or 10 year old facility?

perhaps there is a consipracy as to when the establishment was created... did it operate underground for 8 years or something?


I was wondering the same thing.........how do you have an employee that has been at a brand new facility for ten years? Same way that you shoot a missile through the pentagon without any witnesses I guess????? Who knew?
 

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Geez...was reading for a while but stating to get real sick.

Have to comment on the ballgame...

Hoffman threw a few right down the middle of the plate because that's all that McLelland was giving him as strikes. Peavy had a similar problem, too, with pitches on the corners not being called favorably. McLelland has always had a small strike zone...no conspiracy. The Rockies simply ran out of good arms so were forced to use someone like Julio--this WAS their 8th reliever of the game, and considering that they followed up with perpetual-stiff Ramon Ortiz I think that it's evident that their pen was getting tapped. I'm disappointed to see Peavy exit the playoffs as I think that he was the best starter this season, but the Rockies have one of the best lineups in the Majors, especially 3 through 6, and they had been a team on a serious mission for weeks so it was simply my bad for playing the visitor. Shoulda held back...my 57% Padres call left really no value at a -138 line. As for Hoffman, he's lost a lot of speed off his pitches and had takin' great wear over the course of the full season; he had not been sharp, lately, and with the top of the order coming in to face him I figured that the Rockies would have a fair chance to make some noise. If you think that the pitches that he threw were deliberately fat then I'm afraid you should best look elsewhere for entertainment and maybe take a break from the sports.

Try some rock n' roll.

Check out Mondo Generator's Simple Exploding Man for a good time.
It's off the disc, Cocaine Rodeo.

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one more word from me, this time about casino corruption.

There used to be roving casinos right in the midst of Toronto until they shut them down about 7 years ago. They'd spend three days in this hotel, three days in that empty ballroom, that kind of thing.
Anyways, one of them was actually caught and charged for rigging blackjack decks; taking out some faces and adding some low cards, apparently. I have the newspaper article around somewhere so I know that it's a true story (I was actually working a different casino at the time, and heard a rumour before getting confirmation from the newspaper article).
How on earth somebody spotted this I'll never know as we were using 6 or 8 decks at the time...I forget which as I worked Calgary casinos, too, and it was 6 at one (I think Calgary) and 8 at the other. Anyways, the way it was spotted and the steps they took to contact whatever agency is beyond me as it wasn't explained in the article, the best I can remember.

I guess that when there is money involved there is the possibility of corruption. Further examples of corruption in the Toronto casino industry I can certainly supply; I briefly worked at 5 in Toronto and 4 of those were dishonest in some fashion or another--everything from simply stealing dealer's tips to actually packing up and leaving town with lots of unpaid bills including weeks worth of employee wages.
I tried to contact the Ontario Gaming Commission to inform them of some of what I saw going on and the response was simply that there was nothing that they could do as they can't really police them, being roving casinos and all.
BS, really.
Still not sure why they shut 'em down but I'm not surprised.

I think that the reason why one place got despereate enough to actually rig blackjack decks was because the limits were incredibly low on the tables. $10 blackjack maximum and they had 5-10 Texas Hold-Em. The poker was some gauranteed money for these places but if the blackjack took a hit then it was hard to recover because of the low limits. I remember lots of times where the casino management was panicking because they were taking a hit on blackjack.

One other sorta-funny story, from my Toronto casino adventures (no corruption in Calgary...they have good casinos there).
I started to get real sick of the casino's ripping off my tips and generally being total pussies. Here's what I did. I had been dealing blackjack for years, this after playing it for years, and I had learn to count cards pretty well. It was actually easiest when I was dealing; piece of cake. I starting trying to help the players out--telling them if it was good to double-down, or something, if the deck was still stacked with faces. Just trying to help out however I could with whatever info I had; the count, basic strategy, whatever. Incredibly, most players would have none of it and treated me like the enemy. I got out of the business soon after; started to feel like a bit of a crook, to tell you the truth. Most people are losers, when it comes to gambling. That's the way they've designed it and that's how they control it. Myself; I look at it as entertainment, mostly; if I can make a few bucks then that's a bonus. Sure having fun trying, at least.

Interesting thread.
 
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You're right, they weren't built on sports bets at all.

Most casinos would rather close their sportsbooks and fill the area with slot machines as sports is the smallest revenue per square foot and something that they can not control.
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If you really were not aware of this then you are much dumber than I had previously thought. Here are some numbers for you bigshot:

2006 Statewide Nevada Gaming Win, All Nonrestricted Locations

Source: Nevada Gaming Revenue Report, December 2006

How much money Nevada casinos (all non-restricted locations) won in calendar year 2005. All totals are rounded to the nearest tenth.

Game
Slot Machines - $8.3 billion
Twenty-one - $1.4 billion
Baccarat - $835.8 million
Craps - $463.4 million
Roulette - $347.2 million
Mini-Bacc - $232.8 million
3-Card Poker - $180.2 million
Caribbean Stud Poker - $18.9 million
Let It Ride - $59.4 million
Pai Gow - $34.0 million
Pai Gow Poker - $128.4 million
Keno - $55.9 million
Bingo - $1.3 million
Race Book - $96.5 million
Sports Book - $191.5 million
Poker tables - $160.9 million

Sports Book Detail
Football - $91.1 million
Basketball - $46.2 million
Baseball ? $22.1 million
Parlay Cards - $21.1 million
Other - $11.0 million
(totals may not add up due to rounding)

LINK to statistics from UNLV.


Still laughing, Sponge? You are showing more with every post that you don't have any idea what you are talking about.
 
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oh how the plot thickens!
which is it donkey? new facility or 10 year old facility?

perhaps there is a consipracy as to when the establishment was created... did it operate underground for 8 years or something?

Marine, Philadelphia park has been open forever. the casino laws past last year and the part of the building used for the casinos wing is brand new or possible a part of an existing wing of the building that they totally remodeled. Okay get it now the Casino part is about a year old. The slots are about a year old. Employees from the race also work in the casino end. Now you should have know this because it was you that pulled up the story to discredit me once again. Again the Casino portion of that building is about a year old. I don't have the exact amount of days Marine but it should be a year, a little over a year, or maybe a little earlier than a year. Im sure this will be your next silly question so i answered it for you. Now if you don't believe me about the casino part ask Raymond because he lives close by.
 
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