Paterno's wins coming back?

[Mr. Poon]

Makes me sick for the people of Penn St that actually wanted this madness to go away, but hey the creepiest cover up coach guy who let his buddy rape little boys in the team shower, has his how many wins back.

I'm not sure there are any such people. The Penn State hockey team put 409 on their helmets for their game last night. I hear the basketball team is going to do something similar on their jerseys for their game today. Most of the players on these teams weren't around Penn State when Paterno was there. The NCAA reverses a decision that wasn't even 3 years old and like a light switch they are back to celebrating/honoring this man. That is a prime example of an ingrained culture which is what was originally referenced by the NCAA.

As Keith Olbermann said last night, the legacy of Paterno and Penn State is that football was/is more important than saving children.

 

[marine]

So question for the opposite side of the fence...

How did vacating the wins of the football program 10 years ago help the children?

 

[Mr. Poon]

the school adminstrators are just as much, if not more, guilty of the same brush you paint paterno with.
Yet there hasn't been much of a calling to wipe out and invalidate any of the diplomas that were awarded to the graduates in that same era.
You don't hold a standard to one person. It's called a standard because it applies to everyone.

Good points. Let's get a petition going to eradicate the economics, psychology or any other degree that Penn State has given out in the last 20 or so years. Again as I said earlier, that should help heal all. And I'm not even talking about the victims, nor was I the first time I wrote that in this thread.

 

[Mr. Poon]

How did vacating the wins of the football program 10 years ago help the children?

You somehow actually think that the original point of vacating wins was to help the victims? I guess that helps partially explain your misguided view on the topic.

 

[marine]

You somehow actually think that the original point of vacating wins was to help the victims? I guess that helps partially explain your misguided view on the topic.

So why were they eradicated to begin with?

My stance on the situation has never wavered. Ugly things happened on the Penn State campus, and through a series of poor decisions made by multiple people in multiple chains of actions, it was never dealt with appropriately. Once things were made public, there were very strong emotionally charged decisions made that attempted to "overcorrect" and mete out punishments to people that were not involved with the poor decisions originally made. The NCAA acted in a way that was severely outside the scope of their responsibility and power in order to appease the public with action, and severely overstepped their authority in the process, imposing punishment on areas that they should not have been involved in, to people that were not appropriate to punish. Additionally, the punishments delivered by the NCAA were inconsistently delivered both in terms of the weight of the punishment and who they were delivered to.

In simpler terms so that you might easier understand.
A crime scene happened in your home. You'd let the cops in to investigate it. But you wouldn't let your next door neighbor in to investigate it simply because their uncle/brother/wife/daughter is a cop.

 

[Mr. Poon]

So why were they eradicated to begin with?

See previous comment on ingrained culture. Or as the NCAA likes to phrase it: lack of institutional control.

I'm not going to get worked up defending the NCAA, as an organization their flaws are many and widespread. However, it's just tough for me, and many others it would appear, to comprehend how anyone can reasonably draw a conclusion that penalties they levied against a member institution were too severe given the circumstances of this particular case.

A crime scene happened in your home. You'd let the cops in to investigate it. But you wouldn't let your next door neighbor in to investigate it simply because their uncle/brother/wife/daughter is a cop.

Question: Does the neighbor have one of those degrees from Penn State we need to do away with, or can they perhaps help us with the previously discussed eradication? Going to be a big job...

 

[marine]

See previous comment on ingrained culture. Or as the NCAA likes to phrase it: lack of institutional control.

I'm not going to get worked up defending the NCAA, as an organization their flaws are many and widespread. However, it's just tough for me, and many others it would appear, to comprehend how anyone can reasonably draw a conclusion that penalties they levied against a member institution were too severe given the circumstances of this particular case.




Question: Does the neighbor have one of those degrees from Penn State we need to do away with, or can they perhaps help us with the previously discussed eradication? Going to be a big job...

I have made the point in other conversations on this topic that the penalties were not fair.
Head coach of the football program was admonished for not doing enough to prevent it, and the entire football program was punished for it, with many calling for the death blow to the entire program. The public outcry was that as the leader of the football program, everyone under him and his purview was tainted and bore guilt as a result of it and must receive the punitive measures.
The school administrators (and even some outside agencies) are equally, if not more, at fault with the poor decision making that was made throughout the entire ordeal. However, no punitive measures were administered to those under their purview.

My stance has been, if this process of faulting the entirety of the program under paterno for his actions (or lack of actions), you must also punish all those that were tainted in the same way by the School Administrators inappropriate decisions.

Hold the standard.

 

[Mr. Poon]

I have made the point in other conversations on this topic that the penalties were not fair.
Head coach of the football program was admonished for not doing enough to prevent it, and the entire football program was punished for it, with many calling for the death blow to the entire program. The public outcry was that as the leader of the football program, everyone under him and his purview was tainted and bore guilt as a result of it and must receive the punitive measures.
The school administrators (and even some outside agencies) are equally, if not more, at fault with the poor decision making that was made throughout the entire ordeal. However, no punitive measures were administered to those under their purview.

My stance has been, if this process of faulting the entirety of the program under paterno for his actions (or lack of actions), you must also punish all those that were tainted in the same way by the School Administrators inappropriate decisions.

Hold the standard.

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So about that petition...