poker hand discussion

[marine]

Here's what went down:

I tanked.

After mulling it over for a bit I folded face up. The whole frigging table gasped and called me crazy.
The old fella looked at me in disbelief and it looked like he was going to show, then he mucked. (earlier I had made a nice fold vs him.. dumping my 3rd nuts to his second nuts and he showed)

I wanted to call soooooo bad.. and if I had a smaller stack (like 250-300 left) I would have in an instant.

With the way the games are at this place, just having chips in front of me means I can make more later on during the game, and this was not a spot that I wanted to risk my stack on.

This happened on friday and I am still replaying it in my head. Absolutely nothing makes sense in this hand. Whether or not I had him beat I will never know.. but I played chicken and because I couldn't figure it out I laid it down. Just way too much of an overbet.

A little while later old fella went to get dinner and take a break and another person who plays with him regularly told me that he thought the guy had it, as he has seen him do that move before. I don't know if I believe him or not.

The reason I didn't bet the turn - I was still drawing, and I did not want to get checkraised by someone who had hit their set or the straight. I felt that with the backdoor flush draw out there, if I hit I would get called on the river - so I wanted to see that card cheaply.

All I know is, I really regret betting the river the way it played out.

The more I replay this one, I think he had either A/K/Q and 8 of spades and was chasing the 10 for the straight and walked into the flush like I did.

 

[marine]

But the main reason I would call is if the old guy had the nuts why shove, a value bet would have made more sense.

This is Green Bay, 1/3 no limit. The players here are retarded for the most part.

Shoves, get called all the time.

Example: I am in the cutoff and look down at AA. There are 5 limpers ahead of me. I thought I would have some fun and just pushed in 500.

yup, i got called. by Q-9. "I thought you were bluffing"

 

[JOSHNAUDI]

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Thanks for sharing

Did you tank out loud?

It's like 3-2 count with 2 outs in that situation

That is the hand of the night 3 hours in and anything after that is going to be inconsequential. That's a great time to put the verbal think tank to work and see what kind of response you get from the guy. Start by listing all of his plays and end with then I back door the flush and he moves all in. Chance for a reaction plus it's part of the fun of playing.

 

[countinguy]

where u made ur mistake at, was not betting the turn and letting a fourth spade come out.

I guarantee he beat u on the river and u could have gotten him to fold to raise on the turn.

lesson learned.

 

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[marine]

where u made ur mistake at, was not betting the turn and letting a fourth spade come out.

I guarantee he beat u on the river and u could have gotten him to fold to raise on the turn.

lesson learned.

there were only 3 spades on the board though.

 

[tball]

there were only 3 spades on the board though.

yeah, i saw that--and maybe he thought both of you guys had 2 spades--though prolly read wrong

 

[BUCSnotYUCKS]

if he had a strong ACE flush draw he wouldn't have checked the turn like everyone else.

gurantee he didn't have you beat

"scared money don't make money"

 

[hedgehog]

call and take my chances its a tough call though for 850 bucks...

 

[bleedingpurple]

This is Green Bay, 1/3 no limit. The players here are retarded for the most part.

That doesn't suprise me at all.. :mj07:

The more and more I think about it, I think he had the NUTS. He is not going to raise you all in with 3 spades on the board unless he did.. How the hell does he know that you don't have the nuts if he didn't? He had to figure that you were on a straight or flush draw? He went for the big payday, figuring that if you had the flush he was getting all your chips.. After all you said the players are "retarded" so he had experiences of players calling big bets because you had Aces called by a Q - 9 for 500. He was in disbelief that you folded because he was pist he didn't take it all..
I have never played in GB but I am going to for sure the next time that I am there.. I usually play at the St. Croix Casino up in WI.. The players there are usually tight though.. Potawonami in Milwaukee has a mixed bag.. I like a table full of fish.

 

[ageecee]

i havent looked at the posts other than the first one made by Marine.


I call. He can only beat you with a bigger flush which he might have. I would of put him on a set.


So was i right?

 

[marine]

i havent looked at the posts other than the first one made by Marine.


I call. He can only beat you with a bigger flush which he might have. I would of put him on a set.


So was i right?

See, that was one of the things that ran through my mind. i CANT put him on a set there.

A set would have bet out on the turn and tried to punish the drawing hands. A set would have bet out on the river and got a little value from two pair calls. A set would not check that turn, and check that river.

Then again there is that old mantra.. put your opponent on a hand you can beat and then call.

:nono:

 

[marine]

That doesn't suprise me at all.. :mj07:

The more and more I think about it, I think he had the NUTS. He is not going to raise you all in with 3 spades on the board unless he did.. How the hell does he know that you don't have the nuts if he didn't? He had to figure that you were on a straight or flush draw? He went for the big payday, figuring that if you had the flush he was getting all your chips.. After all you said the players are "retarded" so he had experiences of players calling big bets because you had Aces called by a Q - 9 for 500. He was in disbelief that you folded because he was pist he didn't take it all..
I have never played in GB but I am going to for sure the next time that I am there.. I usually play at the St. Croix Casino up in WI.. The players there are usually tight though.. Potawonami in Milwaukee has a mixed bag.. I like a table full of fish.

Here's another Green Bay example of brain power for you -

I have the button, get 9-9 and there is 1 limper. I raise to 15. SB calls, and BB raises it up to 30.

I call, SB calls.

*and this BB is so friggin abc that he might as well just played his A-Q/J face up already...

Anyway, to the flop: A-9-10
He bets out 30, I raise to 80, SB comes along, then BB says "raise, all in". I did the Phil Helmuth and jumped out of my seat pushing my chips in the middle screaming "call, call, i call! call call call!"

BB flips over his AJ like he has two frigging jokers or something and smiling from ear to ear. I flip the set and he goes bonkers.

I was called a donk, an idiot, and countless other names. He also asked how I couldn't put him on a set of aces there. Then he went on to verbally asssault me with some other choice words and actually told me -

"That's fine, you wanna tangle with my big ace against your 9's, I'll do that all night long against you."

Now how do I respond to that? really.. i don't want to tap the glass and ruin the future action vs him, but I aint gonna sit there and take it from him.

that is the caliber of player you get in green bay.

 

[ageecee]

See, that was one of the things that ran through my mind. i CANT put him on a set there.

A set would have bet out on the turn and tried to punish the drawing hands. A set would have bet out on the river and got a little value from two pair calls. A set would not check that turn, and check that river.

Then again there is that old mantra.. put your opponent on a hand you can beat and then call.

:nono:

On the turn he also could of been waiting to check raise. No way i can fold that flush. if i lose i lose.

 

[bleedingpurple]

Here's another Green Bay example of brain power for you -

I have the button, get 9-9 and there is 1 limper. I raise to 15. SB calls, and BB raises it up to 30.

I call, SB calls.

*and this BB is so friggin abc that he might as well just played his A-Q/J face up already...

Anyway, to the flop: A-9-10
He bets out 30, I raise to 80, SB comes along, then BB says "raise, all in". I did the Phil Helmuth and jumped out of my seat pushing my chips in the middle screaming "call, call, i call! call call call!"

BB flips over his AJ like he has two frigging jokers or something and smiling from ear to ear. I flip the set and he goes bonkers.

I was called a donk, an idiot, and countless other names. He also asked how I couldn't put him on a set of aces there. Then he went on to verbally asssault me with some other choice words and actually told me -

"That's fine, you wanna tangle with my big ace against your 9's, I'll do that all night long against you."

Now how do I respond to that? really.. i don't want to tap the glass and ruin the future action vs him, but I aint gonna sit there and take it from him.

that is the caliber of player you get in green bay.

:mj07: :mj07: :mj07:

 

[SixFive]

I think this guy flopped a straight and totally missed that the board presented a flush possibility on the end. He checked the turn because he wanted somebody to catch up thinking even somebody hit their card they still couldn't beat him. I'm going to call here and hope I'm right. Another reason I call is there is no way if I'm the old man I can put you on a backdoor flush draw. When you see him again, maybe he'll tell u what he had? Thanks for the post.

 

[Agent 0659]

The old nut setter had the nuts. WTF is so hard to understand about this? You missed your chance to bet for info on the turn, so you will always wonder, but IMO you would have just lost more here.

Your other story makes me want to bump my Hold-em moron thread....:SIB

 

[Agent 0659]

http://madjacksports.com/forum/showthread.php?t=255308&highlight=texas+hold

 

[Agent 0659]

"That's fine, you wanna tangle with my big ace against your 9's, I'll do that all night long against you."

:mj07: :mj07: :mj07: :mj07: