Question about Texas/Kansas game......

[The Judge]

Can I get an idea what the hell Kansas was doing out there defensively? They sure made Texas look good. I am trying to find out if Texas really is that good or if it is their competition.

It's all smoke & mirrors kid.

 

[blgstocks]

That is the problem. That will not get it done against a Pete Carroll defense at USC. Especially if Carroll gets 4 weeks to prepare with his NFL caliber assistant coaching staff. That is what other conf. don't get. USC does not play that brand of football. They prefer to use their superior athletes AND out scheme you with great coaching. Texas has the athletes ($hit load of talent) but not the system. USC can play smash mouth line it up across your man football. They choose NOT too because it is much much more difficult to stop a sophisticated balanced offensive system.

Like you said, the better team will win. We will have to wait and find out. I am just giving my take why USC has the advantage. I am looking for answers to why USC will not win.

I cant wait for this guys excuses come jan 5 when SC plays a very good team and gets exposed like the joke they are. I bet this guys post is going to be about 2 pages long about the weather and how leinhart has bad memories and a bunch of BS.

 

[Scott4USC]

I cant wait for this guys excuses come jan 5 when SC plays a very good team and gets exposed like the joke they are. I bet this guys post is going to be about 2 pages long about the weather and how leinhart has bad memories and a bunch of BS.

That is what Iowa fans said before they played USC in BCS bowl. That is what Michigan fans said before they played USC in BCS bowl. That is what Oklahoma fans said before they played USC in BCS bowl.

That is what MJ posters said before USC played Iowa in BCS bowl. That is what MJ posters said before USC played Michigan in BCS bowl. That is what MJ posters said before USC played Oklahoma in BCS bowl.

:142smilie :142smilie :142smilie

Instead of saying this stupid $hit, why not say something intelligent about the game. USC has been waiting to get exposed for over 3 years now.

 

[genosays]

Scott as for your question on what the Kansas defense was doing, before the Texas game, IMO they had been having pretty good success just rushing 4 and then dropping into coverage and containing .... worked well against Missouri and their running QB Brad Smith, but as we saw on Saturday, Vince Young is obviously in a different class .... the same strategy also worked against Nebraska, but again the Longhorns are much more talented than those 2 opponents .... guess the decision was made if they blitzed Young he would run circles around them so were maybe hoping to contain and make him pass .... obviously this KU defensive strategy didn't work as their secondary (and whole defense in general) got torched and Texas steamrolled my Jayhawks .... I would imagine Pete Carroll will come up with a much better scheme against VYoung and am really looking forward to this probably match-up of Trojans and Longhorns .... was somewhat surprised with Leinart's mobility in the Cal game on Saturday as from what I saw he moved around and ran alot better than what he had displayed previously.

 

[hedgehog]

Scott4USC bet USC -6.5 points in the Rose Bowl.You are right Texas is all smoke and mirrors.

 

[Felonious Monk]

haha, gimmick offense huh? we have the best scoring offense in the country...and we do that against more superior defenses compared to the "gimmick" ones you're used to seeing in the Pac. and it's funny how you skipped over the defensive side of things when spending all your time pumping up your offense. remember the old adage, "defenses win championships."

you have all-world players at every position, that's great. we have vince young and i wouldn't trade him for any player on your team. he's been doing nothing but proving the doubters wrong all year, just like yourself. i hope your team plays us with the same mindset. and that's if they get there.

 

[greggraffin]

Just take the over in the rose bowl and you will be happy

 

[Scott4USC]

haha, gimmick offense huh? we have the best scoring offense in the country...and we do that against more superior defenses compared to the "gimmick" ones you're used to seeing in the Pac. and it's funny how you skipped over the defensive side of things when spending all your time pumping up your offense. remember the old adage, "defenses win championships."

Aren't you a Texas fan? You don't know that your team runs a high school gimmick offense?

No doubt Texas is one of the highest scoring teams in the country. Never implied they weren't. However, who are "superior defenses" Texas is going against? :mj07:

I saw Texas play Kansas last week and Kansas D looked like a high school D. They rush 4, keep everyone back, yet they have 1 on 1 coverage on deep pass? WTF kind of defense is that? You are suppose to get 1 on 1 coverage when a team blitzes. NOT when they only rush 4. Isn't Kansas suppose to have one of the better Big 12 defenses? :flush: Texas is in for a rude awakening on Jan. 4th because USC doesn't play defense that way. Take that to the bank!

I did mention USC D in post #13 in this thread.

you have all-world players at every position, that's great. we have vince young and i wouldn't trade him for any player on your team. he's been doing nothing but proving the doubters wrong all year, just like yourself. i hope your team plays us with the same mindset. and that's if they get there.

That is what Texas should be scared about USC. Texas relies heavily on Vince Young. You can't beat a Pete Carroll D with relying on 1 player. OU relied on Peterson and USC stopped him easily. But OU also had Heisman QB and NFL talent WR's and great OL. USC D had no problem defending them. OU offense which was great in the Big 12 was nothing compared to Pac 10 offenses which USC has more trouble with. USC D is tested and Carroll can gameplan against a high school gimmick offense Texas runs. What will Texas do against pro style balanced offense like USC?

Like you said, USC has gamebreakers all over the offense. Texas has Vince Young and great talent around him. USC has Matt Leinart, Bush, White, Jarret, Byrd who have all dominated games and are NFL 1st round talent. Yes NFL 1st round talent and playing in a sophisticated balanced offensive system that Texas has NEVER seen. That would be a concern of mine if I was a Texas fan touting their D. Texas might have elite D in Big 12 play but what about against a team like USC?

Lastly, Young is putting up great #'s but IMO against horrible defenses. I studied that Kansas/Texas game and Kansas D is horrible. They are suppose to be one of the better D's in the Big 12. Their players might not be talented enough to hang with Texas but they were not even in position to defend. How do you rush only 4 and get 1 on 1 coverage deep? REPEATEDLY?

BTW, Young still floats the ball way too much. People are mentioning it but that won't work well against USC.

 

[Scott4USC]

Scott as for your question on what the Kansas defense was doing, before the Texas game, IMO they had been having pretty good success just rushing 4 and then dropping into coverage and containing .... worked well against Missouri and their running QB Brad Smith, but as we saw on Saturday, Vince Young is obviously in a different class .... the same strategy also worked against Nebraska, but again the Longhorns are much more talented than those 2 opponents .... guess the decision was made if they blitzed Young he would run circles around them so were maybe hoping to contain and make him pass .... obviously this KU defensive strategy didn't work as their secondary (and whole defense in general) got torched and Texas steamrolled my Jayhawks .... I would imagine Pete Carroll will come up with a much better scheme against VYoung and am really looking forward to this probably match-up of Trojans and Longhorns .... was somewhat surprised with Leinart's mobility in the Cal game on Saturday as from what I saw he moved around and ran alot better than what he had displayed previously.

My question is this. Yes Kansas is not same talent level and Young is freakish athlete. But like you said, Kansas rushed only 4 and put 7 back. WHY THE HELL WAS THERE 1 on 1 coverage deep? REPEATEDLY Texas was going deep on Kansas and everytime there was 1 on 1 coverage. Where is the safety help? Especially with Young floating the ball? What kind of defense is this?

People bash the pac 10 defenses all the time. But I can tell you the Pac 10 defenses don't have 7 back and still get 1 on 1 coverage deep REPEATEDLY. I just don't get it.

As for Leinart. Yeah he improved a lot from last year to this year. Arm strength and mobility are 2 biggest examples. He also now calls audibles and has great control of the game. He is like Peyton Manning on the college level. He knows how to read and pick defenses apart. But the talent around him makes his job easier!

 

[G Money]

Scott, I agree with you that Texas hasnt seen an offense or defense like USC has. Texas has played one good team all year and that is Ohio St. The BIG 12 is garbage. If Texas played in the SEC they would probably have 2 losses. I think the defense in the Pac 10 is just as good or better than the defense in the Big 12. Those Big 12 defenses that peope say are so good made Jason White a Heisman winner and we all saw what he did against real defenses like LSU and USC.


(As for Leinart. Yeah he improved a lot from last year to this year. Arm strength and mobility are 2 biggest examples. He also now calls audibles and has great control of the game. He is like Peyton Manning on the college level. He knows how to read and pick defenses apart. But the talent around him makes his job easier! [/QUOTE

I have to disagree with you on this statement. Leinhart isnt like Peyton Manning in college. Leinhart has won the big games he isnt a choker. :mj07:

 

[DoMyDermBest]

This will be a great match-up. IMO it will be close. Vince Young may not have a Heisman in his pocket yet, but his greatly improved passing and ability to run will drive USC professional coaching staff crazy. Vince will win this game. UT, money-line.

 

[Scott4USC]

This is the one common theme I have been reading when people are forcasting this potential matchup. (not just @ this site)

Texas supporters

Vince Young will beat USC.

USC supporters

Matt Leinart will beat Texas.
Reggie Bush will beat Texas.
Lendale White will beat Texas.
Dwane Jarret will beat Texas.
USC coaching staff will outcoach Texas.

Whether 3 seconds knows it or not, he summed up this game perfectly.

Their offensive styles are different. Some may prefer USC's more open pro style offense, some may prefer the "basic" line up & beat the man in front of you running game UT brings.

That is exactly what Texas does. Why do people have faith that it will work against a Pete Carroll defense? People don't think Carroll can come up with a gameplan to contain this high school gimmick offense? Teams that beat or given USC trouble were teams who werre able to out scheme USC. Last time USC lost to a team who likes too line up across from their opponent and just beat them was Kansas St. but that was long time ago.

People say Young is now a passing threat. That is not entirely true. Young floats his deep passes AND Texas doesn't run a sophisticated passing attack. Majority of Texas passes are short. (except last week but Kanas wasn't playing like a normal D) SO yes Young can pass the ball, but there passing attack is not complex.

Here is an interesting tidbit. If (they prob. won't) USC plays 2 frosh and 1 soph. at LB (cushing, Mauluga and Rivers) they have the fastest set of LB's in the country. Faster than Florida St. and Miami. I wonder if Young will have problems adjusting to USC's speed on defense? Don't forget, USC also runs complex blitz schemes that Carrroll designs. For example, has Young seen a corner blitz? Double corner blitz? How well does Young read defenses? Because from what I have seen, the Big 12 defenses don't seem to play defense very well. So Young has not been tested reading complex defenses. But if someone says "YOUNG PLAYED OHIO ST. AND WON, DON"T THEY HAVE A GREAT DEFENSE" Yeah OSU has great defense and Young threw 2 INT's and fumbled.

I am looking for answers to what evidence people can provide me that Texas is ready and proven to beat USC. IMO, there are too many "ifs" when capping Texas to beat USC. If people have analysis to why they like Texas over USC, please inform me. Thanks I appreciate it even if I disagree.

 

[DoMyDermBest]

Young will beat SC with his feet. Whether he is given the opportunity to run it, or buy time to pass it. Sc is loaded, so is Texas. IMO Vince is the intangible that has been under-capped all year.

 

[Scott4USC]

Young will beat SC with his feet. Whether he is given the opportunity to run it, or buy time to pass it. Sc is loaded, so is Texas. IMO Vince is the intangible that has been under-capped all year.

No doubt in my mind Young will be able to run on USC. I think Young and the Texas offense will have success early on. Maybe the entire 1q or entire 1h. However at half time USC will adjust and Texas won't. Texas doesn't know how to make adjustments. USC is the best in the business making adjustments.

IMO this is what happens. Texas has success in 1h against vanilla USC D. Bend but don't break. Inserting few blitzes etc. Then in 2h USC makes adjustments inserts gameplan. USC does this to find out what opposing offense is doing and #2 USC gets advantage of making adjustments while other teams can't adjust at halftime to what USC is going to do. That is the USC coaching philosophy.

Last year in the Orange Bowl OU took opening kick and drove the ball down the entire field. Carroll was seen with smile on sidelines and saw what OU offensive gameplan was and completely stopped it the rest of the game. Same thing will apply to Texas.

 

[DoMyDermBest]

I'm sure the Omnipotent Carrol will have UT so humbled by halftime, maybe poor Mack should just depart with his coaches at intermission. Gee, maybe they should save airfare, and send the girls BB squad in their stead? Do you really believe your last post?

 

[nyy1b23]

Scott,
Living in an SC household I hear all the euphoric Trojans fans' crap all day. You keep mentioning all the dominating performances SC has had but you fail to mention any of the numerous close calls they have had. I mean if SC is so dominant why is it that they almost lost to Arizona St. and Notre Dame (not to mention Virginia Tech, Stanford, California, and UCLA last year). Granted they came through in the end in those games but if Hagan doesn't drop that pass and let it fall into the hands of an SC defender in the final minutes, ASU could have EASILY won. I don't need to mention all the plays it took (one of them not legal) to beat ND this year. Not one of those teams had a GREAT defense but somehow they were within a play or two of beating the trojans. Even Cal this past weekend made the Trojans' offense look less than stellar. And maybe without the SIX turnovers and any other quarterback (Ayoob makes Tommy Maddox look like a hall of famer) it might have been closer than 25pts. I believe Texas to be better than all the teams mentioned above. Texas' win against Ohio St. this year was highly impressive given that it was on the road in a VERY hostile environment. I'm not guaranteeing Texas will beat SC but you can't say the same for SC either. The way I see it is SC's offense is going to get theirs but if you hold them to under 31 pts (which believe or not many teams have done in the last 2 years) Texas can pull this game out. Also SC's defense is nowhere near the caliber of defenses they have had in the last few years. I think it is very possible that a great athlete like Vince Young will give USC and the great Pete Carroll a lot to worry about.

 

[Scott4USC]

I'm sure the Omnipotent Carrol will have UT so humbled by halftime, maybe poor Mack should just depart with his coaches at intermission. Gee, maybe they should save airfare, and send the girls BB squad in their stead? Do you really believe your last post?

Tell me why I shouldn't believe it. That is what I looking for. This is called debating. Obviously I am for USC. Obviously I have done extensive research on both teams. I am looking for answers to why Texas will beat USC. I have not watched every Texas game. Get it?

Does Mack Brown have history of making solid halftime adjustments? Yes or no? Examples?

How many big games has Mack Brown won? Examples?

Can Vince Young read complex defenses? Yes or no? Examples?

Does Texas know how to stop USC offense? Yes or no? Examples?

Will Texas be turnover prone like they always are in big games? Yes or no? Examples?

Will Texas schedule help or hurt them against USC? Yes or no? Examples?

I have examples on why the answer is NO too all 6 questions. I am looking for reasons those answers should be YES! I am looking for analysis. Can anybody challenge "my" arguments? This is what is called debating.

 

[AU2001]

Scott just likes to argue and provoke people. If everyone ignored his delusional views, he would go away.

 

[Scott4USC]

Scott,
Living in an SC household I hear all the euphoric Trojans fans' crap all day. You keep mentioning all the dominating performances SC has had but you fail to mention any of the numerous close calls they have had.

Short answer is most of USC's close calls have always come 1h of the season. Not the 2h of season. Carroll has NEVER lost in the month of November and Carroll has NEVER lost in Jan. I think that sums it up. Carroll has his team playing its best at the end of the year.

I mean if SC is so dominant why is it that they almost lost to Arizona St. and Notre Dame (not to mention Virginia Tech, Stanford, California, and UCLA last year).

ALL those games were ROAD games except CAL. CAL was a legit top 5 opponent at the time prior to getting hit with injuries. In that CAL game, USC WR Dwane Jarret recieved a 10 yard pass from Matt Leinart and CAL DB literally jumped on Jarrets back and resulted in INT. No PI from refs. BOGUS! That kept CAL in game. USC also lost their #1 WR Smith at the time to injury in the game. I think that explains why the game was close to the very end.

USC played @ASU and didn't the refs make a horrible instant replay call in 1q on Reggie Bush? Pac 10 commisioner said so. USC would have had 1st and goal instead got NOTHING on that drive. Didn't Matt Leinart play with a mild concussion because of late hit from ASU player? USC punt team gave up a TD which didn't help matters.

USC played @ND. (get the trend) ND played well and practically converted all their big 3rd downs. Props to them! That is tough to do! :clap: USC also was starting DB Walker who has since been replaced by Pinkard who is a stud. ND burned him all day. USC also dropped 5, let me repeat, 5 wide open passes in that game. 2/5 passes would have gone for 20+ yards. Kills drives. Last time USC dropped that many wide open passes was @KSU in year 2 of Pete Carroll. USC punt team gave up a TD which didn't help but refs didn't call 2 ND block on the backs on that punt return. Refs also gave USC a personal foul when USC stopped ND on 3 downs inside ND 10. ND players pushed USC players in front of ref but USC got the PF?

Then you bring up last years games. Well all were played early in season and all were on road (except CAL). USC played @V-Tech 60k+ Hokeis vs 10-15k Trojans. USC had brand new WR corps, brand new OL, brand new FB, and 2nd string TE and Bush/Whte were only sophomores at RB. I think you get why USC might have struggled.

USC played @Stanford USC played poorly 1h and Stanford was on fire. USC gave up an 80 yard TD run at end of 1h where Stanford was just trying to run clock out. USC flat out dominated 2h and Stanford offense never crossed the 50.

USC played @UCLA (but many USC fans there) and USC dominated the game until USC starting OL got injured. He was replaced by true freshman (byers) who also was playing with bad back and was burned badly repeatedly killing drives. USC had no depth at OL last year. The injured USC OL played @OU and you saw how USC produced. USC got away with Bush fumble but UCLA got a TD off punt return where a USC player was blatantly held. Guess you can say UCLA got better end of 2 blown galls. UCLA was being dominated but the score didn't prove it. They almost could have pulled a miracle. Oh yeah, Norm Chow was interviewing for HC jobs the entire week prior to UCLA game. Carroll was very pissed and major reason Chow is not at USC anymore! UCLA had 3 weeks to prepare for USC, USC had 1 week for UCLA AND just played rival ND the week before.

YOU GOT YOUR ANSWERS! Nothing I said was made up. All based on factual data and logical reasoning!

Granted they came through in the end in those games but if Hagan doesn't drop that pass and let it fall into the hands of an SC defender in the final minutes, ASU could have EASILY won.

I think ASU could have driven and taken the lead. But ASU still would have had to stop USC O one last time. We saw USC score again in 3 plays on the drive after Hagan fumbled INT. ASU D was spent and USC would have had a very very high probability of scoring again on them. You know that. THey were completely worn out.

I don't need to mention all the plays it took (one of them not legal) to beat ND this year.

USC was fortunate to beat ND. No doubt. USC played very sloppy (unusal for USC) and came out with a win. Shows how great USC is. You can't drop 5 wide open passes, give up punt return, keep your defense on field for 38min, and have 2 turnovers and win on the road against top 10 opponent in hostile environment? USC DID EXACTLY THAT! OVERCAME THE ODDS! USC always has been vulnerable in Sept. and Oct.

Not one of those teams had a GREAT defense but somehow they were within a play or two of beating the trojans.

Of course. USC played them on the road in hostile environments. I explained each and every game above. Factual data!

Even Cal this past weekend made the Trojans' offense look less than stellar.

:mj07:

USC put on a clinic offensively and did it being vanilla. Carroll said USC ran only 4 new plays against CAL and called off the dogs late 2h. Carroll respects Tedford greatly and didn't play to score bunch of pts. USC dominated CAL offensively and defensively. Tedford appreciated Carroll calling off the dogs early. Watch both of them after the game giving each other huge hug etc.

And maybe without the SIX turnovers and any other quarterback (Ayoob makes Tommy Maddox look like a hall of famer) it might have been closer than 25pts.

DUH!

USC defense always is tops on the country forcing turnovers. That is what a Carroll defense is designed to do. He gives up stats (which people love to throw against USC) but he forces turnovers. USC devoted every WED. as turnover day where USC practices strpping the ball and tacking while stripping the football etc. 4 years in a row USC is one of the top teams in forcing turnovers. USC forced 5 against OU last years OB and Texas is more turnover prone than any elite team I know in BIG GAMES! I have proven that.

I believe Texas to be better than all the teams mentioned above. Texas' win against Ohio St. this year was highly impressive given that it was on the road in a VERY hostile environment.

I agree it was impressive although OSU had inept offense yet they still moved the ball on TEXAS D and still dropped wide open TD pass. Young wasn't impressive at all in the big game except late 4th. People forget that. Young had 3 turnovers in that game.

I'm not guaranteeing Texas will beat SC but you can't say the same for SC either.

Where did I say I guarantee? I said I predict a double digit victory on Jan. 4th. But that can change. Especially if someone can convice me.

The way I see it is SC's offense is going to get theirs but if you hold them to under 31 pts (which believe or not many teams have done in the last 2 years) Texas can pull this game out.

USC has not been held under 30pts this year despite playing 5 of their first 7 games on the raod and 3/5 in hostile environments.

Last year USC was held under 30pts 4 times. @V-Tech 24pts, CAL 23pts, @Oregon St. 28pts (major major fog), @UCLA 29pts (rivalry)

USC offense is a lot better this year vs last year.

Also SC's defense is nowhere near the caliber of defenses they have had in the last few years. I think it is very possible that a great athlete like Vince Young will give USC and the great Pete Carroll a lot to worry about.

I agree. USC was a lot better defensively. They were maybe the #1 D last year but most of country didn't think so because they look at stats. This years USC D is a lot better than what the country thinks and that due to stats, youth and injuries. Jan. 4th USC will have a very very very good defense that is very fast. Young will pose problems for NFL defenses. But he will also have problems adjusting to speed of USC D and blitz schemes Carroll will throw at him. IF he turns it over which him and his team is prone to do in big games. Texas has no chance. But in all honesty, I don't think USC "needs" Texas to turn the ball over to win big.

I think I answered every question you had.

 

[3 Seconds]

I really dont feel like getting into a debate with you, but I will take the time to answer one of your questions.

Mack Brown & his coaching staff have been very good with halftime adjustments. Just one example of this is last years games vs Okie St on the road. UT was down 35-14 @ half. The won the game 56-35.

Texas also trailed @ half vs Ohio St this year.

Also could you please stop calling UT's offense a high school gimmick offense. You look stupid doing so as it if very far from it. Just cause it is a different style than USC's or one you like doesnt make it a gimmick offense. In fact USC runs more gimmick plays than UT.

Dont forget Vince Young is most likely going to do something that NO ONE in the history of college football has ever done this year by throwing for over 2,500 yards & rushing for over 1,000 in the same season.