Rev. Jeremiah Wright on PBS tonight

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Stop Hi-jacking threads.

Oh, and I.O., I wanted to echo T.P.'s commendation for post #30...I enjoyed your take on it and the effort that went into it.

I was going to respond, but I had to take a break and check the pictionary for correct punctuation on the word - Hi-jacking.
 

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The Pastor Casts a Shadow

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Jeremiah A. Wright Jr.Smiling, cracking corny jokes, mugging it up for the big-time news media ? this reverend is never going away. He?s found himself a national platform, and he?s loving it.

It?s a twofer. Feeling dissed by Senator Obama, Mr. Wright gets revenge on his former follower while bathed in a spotlight brighter than any he could ever have imagined. He?s living a narcissist?s dream. At long last, his 15 minutes have arrived.

So there he was lecturing an audience at the National Press Club about everything from the black slave experience to the differences in sentencing for possession of crack and powdered cocaine.

All but swooning over the wonderfulness of himself, the reverend acts like he is the first person to come up with the idea that blacks too often get the short end of the stick in America, that the malignant influences of slavery and the long dark night of racial discrimination are still being felt today, that in many ways this is a profoundly inequitable society.

This is hardly new ground. The question that cries out for an answer from Mr. Wright is why ? if he is so passionately committed to liberating and empowering blacks ? does he seem so insistent on wrecking the campaign of the only African-American ever to have had a legitimate shot at the presidency.

On Sunday night, in an appearance before the Detroit N.A.A.C.P., Mr. Wright mocked the regional dialects of John F. Kennedy and Lyndon B. Johnson. I?m not sure how he felt that was helpful in his supposed quest to bring about a constructive discussion about race and reconciliation in the U.S.

What he is succeeding in doing is diminishing the stature of Senator Obama. A candidate who stands haplessly by as his former spiritual guide roams the country dropping one divisive bomb after another is in very little danger of being seen by most voters as the next J.F.K. or L.B.J.

The thing to keep in mind about Rev. Wright is that he is a smart fellow. He?s been a very savvy operator, politically and otherwise, for decades. He has built a thriving, politically connected congregation on the South Side of Chicago that has done some very good work over the years. Powerful people have turned to him for guidance and advice.

So it?s not like he?s na?ve politically. He knows exactly what he?s doing. Forget the gibberish about responding to attacks on the black church. That is not what the reverend?s appearance before the press club was about. He was responding to what he perceives as an attack on him.

This whole story is about Senator Obama?s run for the White House and absolutely nothing else. Barack Obama went to Rev. Wright?s church as a young man and was blessed with the Christian bona fides that would be absolutely essential for a high-profile political career.

Faster than anyone could have imagined, the young Mr. Obama became Senator Obama and then the leading candidate for the Democratic presidential nomination. Then came the videotaped sermons and the roof caved in on Rev. Wright?s reputation. Senator Obama had no choice but to distance himself, and he did it as gently as he felt he could.

My guess is that Mr. Wright felt he?d been thrown under a bus by an ungrateful congregant who had benefited mightily from his association with the church and who should have rallied to his former pastor?s defense. What we?re witnessing now is Rev. Wright?s ?I?ll show you!? tour.

For Senator Obama, the re-emergence of Rev. Wright has been devastating. The senator has been trying desperately to bolster his standing with skeptical and even hostile white working-class voters. When the story line of the campaign shifts almost entirely to the race-in-your-face antics of someone like Mr. Wright, Mr. Obama?s chances can only suffer.

Beyond that, the apparent helplessness of the Obama campaign in the face of the Wright onslaught contributes to the growing perception of the candidate as weak, as someone who is unwilling or unable to fight aggressively on his own behalf.

Hillary Clinton is taunting Mr. Obama about his unwillingness to participate in another debate. Rev. Wright is roaming the country with the press corps in tow, happily promoting the one issue Mr. Obama had tried to avoid: race.

Mr. Obama seems more and more like someone buffeted by events, rather than in charge of them. Very little has changed in the superdelegate count, but a number of those delegates have expressed concern in private over Mr. Obama?s inability to do better among white working-class voters and Catholics.

Rev. Wright is absolutely the wrong medicine for those concerns.
 

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Was it post #30:mj03:

that's way on the other side of the mountain now

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I can't help but feel partially responsible. But an angry individual was helped yesterday - that's the important thing.

Rev. Wright is proving to be a prick. Obama was as nice as possible, not throwing him under the bus for the first footage that came out. Wright responded by throwing Obama in front of a train.

I like Obama's most recent comments. Amazing that this has dragged on. If Wright wasn't such an attention whore, this issue would be just about gone by now.
 

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Rev. Wright is proving to be a prick. Obama was as nice as possible, not throwing him under the bus for the first footage that came out. Wright responded by throwing Obama in front of a train.

I like Obama's most recent comments. Amazing that this has dragged on. If Wright wasn't such an attention whore, this issue would be just about gone by now.

Just amazing. For all his stuff about how whitey has always kept the blacks down, he sure is doing everything he can to submarine a black mans campaign for the presidency.
 

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Just amazing. For all his stuff about how whitey has always kept the blacks down, he sure is doing everything he can to submarine a black mans campaign for the presidency.

Maybe he's only submarining the half of Obama that's white.

Speaking of which - Wright barely looks black. It's my theory that Wright's sensationalist racist drivel (sp) is greatly due to the fact that he's overcompensating for probably being only a half breed to begin with. He's at least half white.
 

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Maybe he's only submarining the half of Obama that's white.

Speaking of which - Wright barely looks black. It's my theory that Wright's sensationalist racist drivel (sp) is greatly due to the fact that he's overcompensating for probably being only a half breed to begin with. He's at least half white.

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half breed ?

I remember watching Branded with Chuck conners . He was branded and a half breed. Maybe I can find the song for the show. It went.

Wherever you go for the rest of your life you must proooovee.... your a man
 

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Sorry now that I looked it up Chuck wasnt a half breed he was a coward.

Kinda just like Wright.

"All but one man died
There at Bitter Creek
And they say he ran away.

Branded, marked with a coward's shame,
What do you do when you're branded,
Will you fight for your name?"

Branded , scorned is the who ran.

And wherever you go for the rest of your life
you must proove , your a man.

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half breed ?

I remember watching Branded with Chuck conners . He was branded and a half breed. Maybe I can find the song for the show. It went.

Wherever you go for the rest of your life you must proooovee.... your a man


Half Breed
 

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I really felt sympathy for Obama today--UNTIL I realized the only thing diff from wrights recent rants was he included O was a politician saying what he had to-to get elected. Amazing how this one thing has now all of a sudden changed obama's attitude--it will get better I'm sure as I can see Wright's speaking opportunities enhanced--and believe he will have much more to say.
Things will get very interesting!
 

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I really felt sympathy for Obama today--UNTIL I realized the only thing diff from wrights recent rants was he included O was a politician saying what he had to-to get elected. Amazing how this one thing has now all of a sudden changed obama's attitude--it will get better I'm sure as I can see Wright's speaking opportunities enhanced--and believe he will have much more to say.
Things will get very interesting!

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Dogs

so your enjoying seeing O squirm about this ?

I think Wright is a piece of dog shit.
 

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Watched the link today. As you "educated" types say, "I took a few copious notes". I'll try my best to get my head organized and come across as such.

Let me say 1st off, this man is obviously highly intelligent and has a well planned, tempered thought process. Not a raging individual, outside of the times when the cameras are running and his actions are planned. Kind of guy not to fear. He carried himself well in the Frontline interview decades back as well as in this piece. He's made an effort for his community for the day he started his ministry. Wright made a big leap when he even got involved in his ministry. He actually gave a white guy, Dr. Martin Marty, one of his main professors before his ministry (unless that guy was black), credit for really giving his life a focus.

The interview itself was more of two old friends meeting. Nice of Moyers to disclose (besides his obvious political bent) that his religious affiliation is that of the UCC, same as Wright. He didn't get into the meat and potatoes of the situation until the last 6 minutes of the interview. The majority of the time, it was a soft expose about how eloquent, educated, well spoken, even tempered, and likeable Wright, and his church is. Wright constantly throws down his well versed knowledge of history and the Bible. He ties it in, with his view, to events of today. He unabashidly uses words and phrases out of the Bible or history and runs with them way too far to make whatever point he needs. As far as having things in/out of context, Wright is far too liberal with the facts. "No right to take a life" was a phrase I think he gets a lot of mileage out of. Take about taking something out of context.

I personally would like to grab every thief, Arab, Muslum, Black, immigrant, crack head, wife abuser, communist, Middle Eastern whatever, killer, and give them a big hug, a job, a place to stay, and a horse. The FACT is that now and throughout history, the other side is not as accepting and DOESN'T have your interests at heart. And it has nothing to do with what I've done to them in the past. IT'S CALLED HUMAN NATURE. That is one thing Wright doesn't want to grasp. To a hustler, you are a square. To be used and taken for all you can. I guarantee Wright will never let anybody in his "hood" take him. Those he helps are of the same interests as he has. I'd like to see him bring in some GD's or LK's from the projects. Not one or two either. Let's see how long he not only has a ministry, BUT LIVES. I've hired a number of them over the last couple decades. Throw a Rev in front of my name. I like how there's nothing positive to say about the US. Oh, except for the fact that he does have the freedom to say what he wants. KIND OF BIG THING wouldn't you say. I know the owner of a bar were I once lived. Called New England Inn. He said, "Why aren't there any n iggers in Russia? Because they killed them all". This guy is a Czek native. It was a statement of fact over a few drinks. It wasn't meant to be a racist comment. He's married and has a child with a woman of Middle Eastern decent. (New England and Irving Pk Road if your ever in Chicago)

As with the 1st time I posted about this guy, I still think it's all about BUSINESS. Somewhere in the Bible, a part Wright missed, there's something about a rich man getting into heaven. Somebody will die tonight on the West Side, or the South Sdie, of Chicago. Wright still has his mutli million dollar retirement and mansion. If he set aside his material needs, he could save thousands while he's alive. Maybe some of those idiots shooting each other. How's it go (what he took) from the Bible, "No right to take a life". I think he just did a few hours ago. I think he will tonight. I think he will tomorrow. I'm not even gonna get into him unable to stay out of the spotlight for a bit to let his friend succeed. Isn't vanity a sin? He could get his own "God Damn" tv show when this election is all over.

Lastly, (this not directed soley at anyone, but at the same time everyone)

people in this forum on both sides say and post regardless of the facts

Say red when they see green. Say green when they see red. It's very stupid and lame. Centrists my ass. I'm more of a centrist than most on this forum. The reason people like this guy take millions from people for their own uses is he fits a niche they got. This guy is a-political. He would survive no matter what the conditions. (Reminds me of the movie "Other Peoples Money". They can change the rules but they can't change the game.)

Outside all he has done, outside of his knowledge and ablility to communicate, IS ALL ABOUT $$. He didn't pick up that number at the end of his tenure on his looks. He brought his game to the pulpit, acted and said what he had to say, created whatever help groups needed to create, and came across to his AUDIENCE in the needed fashion to GET PAID. No need now for the game face. No different than OJ, Fred Dryer, or Alex Karras. He GOT PAID and is now bringing a different face to the game.

People are such followers. Always need a trick to improve themselves. Can't go on a proper fvking diet. No gotta lick a rock, stand on there head, or just eat meat. Same with there lives. Can't improve it without the proper gimmick. We got the Black Anthony Robbins here. Though the pay might be less for now.

This guy is the farthest thing from sincere.

I am the FARTHEST thing from a follower. At least I'd like to think so.
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CNN) -- Sen. Barack Obama said he is "outraged" by comments his former minister, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, made Monday at the National Press Club and is "saddened by the spectacle."

Sen. Barack Obama on Tuesday denounced comments made by the Rev. Jeremiah Wright.

1 of 2 "I have been a member of Trinity Church since 1992. I have known Rev. Wright for almost 20 years," he said at a news conference in Winston-Salem, North Carolina. "The person I saw yesterday is not the person I met 20 years ago."

Obama said he is outraged by Wright's remarks that seemed to suggest the U.S. government might be responsible for the spread of AIDS in the black community and his equation of some American wartime efforts with terrorism.

"What particularly angered me was his suggestion somehow that my previous denunciation of his remarks were somehow political posturing," Obama said, adding that Wright had shown "little regard for me" and seemed more concerned with "taking center stage."

Obama said Wright's comments were not only "divisive and destructive," but they "end up giving comfort to those who prey on hate." Watch Obama describe Wright's comments ?

Obama said he did not think Wright's comments accurately portrayed the perspective of the black church and said they "certainly do not portray accurately" his own values and beliefs.

Throughout his campaign, Obama has said he wants to be a uniter, said Bill Schneider, a CNN senior political analyst.

"Now Rev. Wright comes forward and says many intensely divisive things, particularly along racial lines. That's exactly the opposite of what Barack Obama is trying to achieve in his life and in his campaign, so he made a very powerful effort today to distance himself and denounce Rev. Wright's comments," Schneider said. Watch Bill Schneider analyze Obama's comments ?

Dee Dee Myers, former White House press secretary in the Clinton administration, said Tuesday that Wright has been "so far out there the last couple of days, it's been easier for Obama to say 'this does not represent me, this is not who I am,' and to take a much firmer view ... I think Obama did the right thing."

GOP strategist Rich Galen also said Tuesday that Obama did the right thing in denouncing the statements. Galen said he would urge Obama to "get on the phone with, of all people, Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, to say ... let's let this thing blow over."

Some of Wright's outspoken sermons, circulated and widely discussed on the Internet and on television, became an issue in the Democratic presidential race this year because of the former pastor's ties to Obama.

In one sermon, Wright said America had brought the September 11 attacks upon itself. In another, he said Sen. Hillary Clinton had an advantage over Obama because she is white.

Obama gave a speech on race relations during the height of the controversy with Wright and said he rejected Wright's racially charged comments but could not repudiate the man himself.

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Obama said Monday that Wright's remarks were "antithetical to our campaign; it was antithetical to what we're about." Watch Obama denounce Wright's remarks ?

"I cannot prevent him from making these remarks," but "when I say I find these comments appalling, I mean it. It contradicts what I'm about and who I am. ... It is completely opposed to what I stand for and where I want to take this country."

In a break with previous comments, Obama focused his criticism on Wright the man, and not simply his remarks.

Obama said he gave Wright "the benefit of the doubt" before his speech on race relations.

"What we saw yesterday from Rev. Wright was a resurfacing and, I believe, an exploitation of these old divisions," Obama said.

Obama said he did not see a transcript of Wright's remarks until Tuesday.

He said he had not spoken with Wright since the minister's Monday speech, though he would not rule out a conversation with him in the future.

Obama said his relationship with Wright may have suffered irreparable harm. "There's been great damage," he said. "It may have been unintentional on his part, but I do not see that relationship being the same after this."

Asked whether he would continue attending the church, Obama said "as of this point, I am a member of Trinity."

He said he still values the church's community but does not want to be a distraction for those who are worshiping.

On Monday, Clinton -- who had said she would not have remained a member of the church under similar circumstances -- focused her criticism over Wright on presumptive GOP nominee Sen. John McCain.

Last week, the senator from Arizona told the North Carolina GOP not to run an ad linking the state's Democratic candidates for governor -- Richard Moore and Beverly Perdue, both Obama supporters -- to Wright.

Clinton criticized him for failing to do more to stop the ad.

"I regret the efforts by the Republicans to politicize this matter, and I believe that if Sen. McCain were serious he would do more than just send a letter," she said.

McCain said again Monday that he does "not believe that Sen. Obama shares Rev. Wright's extremist statements or views."


McCain also said he would no longer get involved in such matters
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At least he is not running like he is branded coward.

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when I watch that video , I am thinking half breeds just aint that bad.

Genetically speaking, it is good to mix races. More geniuses, stronger immune systems - just like mutts.
 

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I really felt sympathy for Obama today--UNTIL I realized the only thing diff from wrights recent rants was he included O was a politician saying what he had to-to get elected. Amazing how this one thing has now all of a sudden changed obama's attitude--it will get better I'm sure as I can see Wright's speaking opportunities enhanced--and believe he will have much more to say.
Things will get very interesting!

it was high time bockobama smacked that butterhead back.......that was somewhat encouraging...

but,this last wright press conference kinda blew the old "cherry pickin quotes" excuse outta the water...

still,i liked bock`s indignation.....even if he lied about wright,maybe being on the precpice of becoming "everyone`s president" can shake him loose of that black liberation b.s....

lotta white folks have gone to the mat for bock(as we see in this forum)...
 
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lotta white folks have gone to the mat for bock(as we see in this forum)...

i only defend his white half. of course i don't like his black half. and when he becomes president, i will only pay attention to him when it's obvious that he woke up on the white side of the bed that morning.
 

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CNN) -- Sen. Barack Obama said he is "outraged" by comments his former minister, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, made Monday at the National Press Club and is "saddened by the spectacle."

Sen. Barack Obama on Tuesday denounced comments made by the Rev. Jeremiah Wright.

1 of 2 "I have been a member of Trinity Church since 1992. I have known Rev. Wright for almost 20 years," he said at a news conference in Winston-Salem, North Carolina. "The person I saw yesterday is not the person I met 20 years ago."

Obama said he is outraged by Wright's remarks that seemed to suggest the U.S. government might be responsible for the spread of AIDS in the black community and his equation of some American wartime efforts with terrorism.
"What particularly angered me was his suggestion somehow that my previous denunciation of his remarks were somehow political posturing," Obama said, adding that Wright had shown "little regard for me" and seemed more concerned with "taking center stage."

Obama said Wright's comments were not only "divisive and destructive," but they "end up giving comfort to those who prey on hate." Watch Obama describe Wright's comments ?

Obama said he did not think Wright's comments accurately portrayed the perspective of the black church and said they "certainly do not portray accurately" his own values and beliefs.

Throughout his campaign, Obama has said he wants to be a uniter, said Bill Schneider, a CNN senior political analyst.

"Now Rev. Wright comes forward and says many intensely divisive things, particularly along racial lines. That's exactly the opposite of what Barack Obama is trying to achieve in his life and in his campaign, so he made a very powerful effort today to distance himself and denounce Rev. Wright's comments," Schneider said. Watch Bill Schneider analyze Obama's comments ?

Dee Dee Myers, former White House press secretary in the Clinton administration, said Tuesday that Wright has been "so far out there the last couple of days, it's been easier for Obama to say 'this does not represent me, this is not who I am,' and to take a much firmer view ... I think Obama did the right thing."

GOP strategist Rich Galen also said Tuesday that Obama did the right thing in denouncing the statements. Galen said he would urge Obama to "get on the phone with, of all people, Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, to say ... let's let this thing blow over."

Some of Wright's outspoken sermons, circulated and widely discussed on the Internet and on television, became an issue in the Democratic presidential race this year because of the former pastor's ties to Obama.

In one sermon, Wright said America had brought the September 11 attacks upon itself. In another, he said Sen. Hillary Clinton had an advantage over Obama because she is white.

Obama gave a speech on race relations during the height of the controversy with Wright and said he rejected Wright's racially charged comments but could not repudiate the man himself.

Don't Miss
Rev. Wright more than sound bite
Obama's ex-pastor speaks out about church
Obama's ex-pastor speaks out
Time.com: How Jeremiah Wright found religion
Obama said Monday that Wright's remarks were "antithetical to our campaign; it was antithetical to what we're about." Watch Obama denounce Wright's remarks ?

"I cannot prevent him from making these remarks," but "when I say I find these comments appalling, I mean it. It contradicts what I'm about and who I am. ... It is completely opposed to what I stand for and where I want to take this country."

In a break with previous comments, Obama focused his criticism on Wright the man, and not simply his remarks.

Obama said he gave Wright "the benefit of the doubt" before his speech on race relations.

"What we saw yesterday from Rev. Wright was a resurfacing and, I believe, an exploitation of these old divisions," Obama said.

Obama said he did not see a transcript of Wright's remarks until Tuesday.

He said he had not spoken with Wright since the minister's Monday speech, though he would not rule out a conversation with him in the future.

Obama said his relationship with Wright may have suffered irreparable harm. "There's been great damage," he said. "It may have been unintentional on his part, but I do not see that relationship being the same after this."

Asked whether he would continue attending the church, Obama said "as of this point, I am a member of Trinity."

He said he still values the church's community but does not want to be a distraction for those who are worshiping.

On Monday, Clinton -- who had said she would not have remained a member of the church under similar circumstances -- focused her criticism over Wright on presumptive GOP nominee Sen. John McCain.

Last week, the senator from Arizona told the North Carolina GOP not to run an ad linking the state's Democratic candidates for governor -- Richard Moore and Beverly Perdue, both Obama supporters -- to Wright.

Clinton criticized him for failing to do more to stop the ad.

"I regret the efforts by the Republicans to politicize this matter, and I believe that if Sen. McCain were serious he would do more than just send a letter," she said.

McCain said again Monday that he does "not believe that Sen. Obama shares Rev. Wright's extremist statements or views."


McCain also said he would no longer get involved in such matters
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At least he is not running like he is branded coward.

Wherever you go for the rest of your life. you must prooooveeee ..... your a man .

Hmm wonder why he wasn't outraged about these same remarks months-weeks or days ago:shrug:

like I said only thing new Rev rant said was Obama's rejection were politically motivated--so one might assume that is where this new found outrage from obama ensued. Sure is diff tune than - I can no more denouce wright than I can black people a few weeks ago :)
 

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Hmm wonder why he wasn't outraged about these same remarks months-weeks or days ago:shrug:

like I said only thing new Rev rant said was Obama's rejection were politically motivated--so one might assume that is where this new found outrage from obama ensued. Sure is diff tune than - I can no more denouce wright than I can black people a few weeks ago :)

He doesn't have a different position on the original remarks that started this, but he expressed that without slamming Wright personally - which I thought was the right way to handle it.

Now that Wright is in the spotlight, he took a couple personal jabs at Obama and then expanded on his race-baiting (hyphen?). It's these later comments that have Obama more peeved, not the original ones. Obama basically gave Wright the benefit of the doubt, but now Wright has blown that by confirming his lunacy and racial bias.

Don't see anything wrong with how Obama has handled this.

It would be interesting to see how McCain would deal with Hagee if Hagee began to steal the spotlight and talk more about how God struck New Orleans because it was a sinful city. At some point McCain would also have to stop making excuses for him and cut his ties with him.
 
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