RUBEN or CLAY ???

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current odds (Olympic):

CLAY AIKEN +105
RUBEN STUDDARD -140



For those of us following American Idol 2, the big show's only a couple of days away. If I had my choice, Ruben would win. He's arguably the most polished singer amongst all the finalists, and IMO been the most consistent performer throughout the competition. His forte is obviously R&B/pop, equally adept with the uptempo stuff as he is with the ballads. If you'd listened to Ryan Seacrest all along, with his "everybody loves RUUUUUUBEN" schtick, you'd think the "velvet teddy bear" was the clear choice to be the American Idol this time around.

But somewhere along the way, a few weeks ago, he actually placed in the bottom 2 that week! So what happened? My theory is that he peaked so early in the finals that many of us got bored with him. Or maybe he got complacent. Kimberly Locke, Clay, and even Trenyce were trying harder to impress and did a good job.

Now it comes down to the final two. At almost even $, the value clearly lies with Clay. How do I know this? Because my girlfriend loves Clay. Something about him--his quirkiness, humility, his eyes, the thin frame, that hair? If you notice, he gets the lion's share of the screams from the live crowd. Girls are just nuts about Clay. Forget his singing...I thought his best performance came in the semis (the Elton John song). He's got range, but not a lot of vibrato and he's terrible with certain kinds of songs (i.e. last wk's "Vincent").

But regardless of that, it seems he's got a more loyal following than Ruben. They'll vote for Clay as long as he can utter a verse. He's got the momentum now, and unless he flops on Tuesday, that skinny kid has a very good shot at winning this thing. Perhaps worth a small play...on Clay. :D
 

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What has gambling come to when I can bet on a skinny white dork to win a singing contest? Or a fat black man to sing in tune? I think they have given the word degenerate a new meaning:shrug:
 

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yes, I'm a degenerate....

yes, I'm a degenerate....

LOL.:p ....Well, you could be betting on wrestling! :eek:

Anway, American Idol is NOT "a singing contest". That's missing the whole point. It's become a pop culture phenomenon, the highest rated show on TV. The winner is not necessarily the best singer; he/she's the one with the most appeal to the viewing audience. You have to consider the intangibles.

Sam Cooke once said that the best way to judge a singer is by closing your eyes and listening to the song. That was then, this is now.

Not saying you should lay down coin on the winner of American Idol, but thought I'd bring it up since it is either our livelihood or hobby to guess....er, I mean, handicap....the probable outcomes of undetermined events, right?
 

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Neither one of them is an Idol in the classic sense. The fat black guy has a nice smile but he has lost his voice somewhere during the contest. And the skinny white guy has a great voice for show tunes and looks too much like K. D. Lang to be an Idol.
I have to think that based on last years results and them voting the chubby Kimberly girl off last week that this is a fixed competition. So with it being fixed anything can happen.
If it is not fixed I think Clay is the better singer. And with Neil Sedaka wanting to produce his cd what could be better!:D
 

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StevieD said:
Neither one of them is an Idol in the classic sense. The fat black guy has a nice smile but he has lost his voice somewhere during the contest. And the skinny white guy has a great voice for show tunes and looks too much like K. D. Lang to be an Idol.
I have to think that based on last years results and them voting the chubby Kimberly girl off last week that this is a fixed competition. So with it being fixed anything can happen.
If it is not fixed I think Clay is the better singer. And with Neil Sedaka wanting to produce his cd what could be better!:D


Yeah, agree that Clay's style is suited better for musical theatre. I'm surprised the week that Neil Sedaka was on that no one wanted to sing his best song, "Laughter in the Rain"! :rolleyes:
 

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My wife got be to sit down last year long enough to watch the last three shows. I said to her these young kids have some nice voices. That was about it.
So I watch this pogram this year from the start. One thing I believe is. This groups last 4/5 dam sure better then what I saw last year.
As for Clay there was a guy named Frank once the girls went nuts over. But that was forgotten when Elvis arrived. But it was true Frank had woman going nuts. Clay can sing these type of songs that made Frank millions.
Mr 205 has a typical mid tenor voice that sounds alot like some of the great groups from the 50/60/70's. There both entertaining and nice to listen to. They cant have a tie. But im taking the easy way out and saying they should.
 

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I was thinking of the exact same comparison. Frankie sure had the girls swooning in the aisles. Only Frank had that magical mellow voice perfectly suited for romantic singing. Clay doesn't....his phrasing is quirky in itself, but it works. I still question his ability at handling certain types of songs. Like Tony Kornheiser said, everything he sings sounds like The Lion King. Ruben has more versatility. BTW, I've been impressed with Kelly Clarkson more and more. That girl can belt out pop, country and blues tunes very well.
 

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I've watched every single episode.......and I can tell you that Ruben SHOULD win. Should and Will are two completely different things. Ruben has a much wider range of songs he can sing.....he has the potential to be the next Luther Vandross....and he has a sh*tload of charisma.

But this Clay.....man.....he has some kind of following. I think it's because he's contemporary enough to attract that audience......while also having the vote of every single person who has ever enjoyed a broadway musical.

Personally.......I think if Clay comes out and hits his songs this week....hes gonna win. I think he's been the top vote getter for the past 3 or so weeks. They both were within two percentage points of each other last week.....and I still think Clay was on top.

He's not my choice....but if he performs well....I think he's America's.

My Reccomendation: Take Opie Taylor Plus The Buck Oh Five
 
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I agree with you guys on Kelly. She should have won last year. She was the best. I do agree her voice is nice and I like some of here songs. One thing forsure some young folks are getting some big chance at many differant things. That'sice to see to. And if one of there tour stops would be close enough I would go to it.
I undestand this years group will visit 10 cities. And none will be small. I wonder if the singing Marine Joshua will get to go with. He only gets 30 days leave a year. From what I understnad he used 12 days up for the show already. Tell you what Marine commander was proud of that kid. They just may find away for him to do it. He should make one dam good country singer.
 

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I'm not sure where you live DJV......but they are doing 20 cities this year. I know cause I bought a couple seats to see em in Pittsburgh for my wifes birthday present.

Check out ticketmaster.com for the dates and places if ya want. They went on sale Saturday
 

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I think Clay has more talent. He's also more apt to do music that I might listen to once the show's over. Ruben is talented too, but I'd have to vote for, Clay. I'm not sure I want to bet on it though. Don't think so.
 

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i bet on it

am from raleigh, which is where clay is from


when lines first opened for the final 12 i picked him at 5/2...he was the favorite till halfway thru and then ruben became the favorite

funny thing is now clay is the favorite again...:shrug:...he's at -150...ruben's at +110

i also picked that the winner would be male b/c of last years winner being a female...thats a lock, but i think both guys do a great job

their styles are different and they both have different appeal, so it probably be a very close final vote...funny that FOX is milking this for all it's worth...having 3 days of AI just for people to watch

i guess, they have suckered me in...for at least the wednesday show

hope clay wins for me and for the city of raleigh, but may the best man win....silly how this has turned out to be a poplularity contest....but isnt every reality show...

toy
 

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ajoytoy,

The odds I posted at the top of the thread still stand at Olympic. But since you got Clay at 5:2 you might as well stick with that. I personally thought that Ruben showed he was the man in the first half of the finals. Would be happy whether he or Clay wins.
 

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Clay is a geek with a great voice but like Simon has said over and over during the season ... he would make a great Broadway star but not a good Pop Idol. Ruben definitely has an awesome voice reminiscent of some of groups from the 50's ,60's , 70's as someone stated earlier in this thread. I would vote for Ruben as Clay kinda annoys me when I watch him sing but I agree that the teeny boppers love him.

Sad thing is ... Clay will be getting laid more than any of us after this...

:shrug:
 

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last week they were all basically 33-33-33 in % so I was thinking Fat Albert might get more of the votes this week that went to Fat Alberta last week.

I think Clay fits into the Barrry Manilow mold more than a broadway thing, but I've only seen it a couple times.

Lightning -- I'm not so sure you and Clay are drawing from the same pool for getting laid, if you know what I mean...
 

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I'm down with Ruben! He only lives a short piece from me down in Birmingham and let me tell you he is a good young man in many senses! He has been in the news here more than Mike Price.........but for good reasons! That 205 thingy he is sportin on his shirts is just the area code that the Ham carries! It's quite a catch around Bama! RUBEN RUBEN RUBEN will be what I am hollerin! :eek: :D :cool:
 
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