Russia-Georgia conflict

[Jabberwocky]

The Lesson of Georgia: Bring Ukraine Into NATO
August 13, 2008 07:05 AM EST


by Dick Morris & Eileen McGann


Dick Morris...shocker. What a useless, bloated idiot.

 

[rusty]

The Lesson of Georgia: Bring Ukraine Into NATO
August 13, 2008 07:05 AM EST


by Dick Morris & Eileen McGann


Dick Morris...shocker. What a useless, bloated idiot.

Agree that Russia needed a excuse to invade Georgis and they got it.
The main part of this article really hits home thou.
Ukraine is the major player here.
They were even saying that they need to get permission(russia) to refuel on there way back from Georgia,there ships im talking who are in the black sea.

Hey Ray hows the concrete in Philly?
In Northeast very slow.Ive been ou of work since mid-July.I should be going back in a week or two.
(waiting for 2 jobs to kick-off) Scary stuff these days no.:scared

 

[gardenweasel]

you think this prick isn`t trying to back the west down?...

putin wants missiles in cuba?....


http://www.boston.com/news/world/la...n_says_russia_needs_to_go_back_to_cuba_media/


we`ll call that,mr putin..

Thu Aug 14, 7:30 PM ET
WARSAW, Poland - "Poland and the United States reached an agreement Thursday that will see a battery of American missiles established inside Poland, a plan that has infuriated Russia and raised the specter of an escalation of tension with the region?s communist-era master.

The deal, which was to be signed later Thursday in Warsaw by Poland and the United States, includes what Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk called a ?mutual commitment? between the two nations ? beyond that of NATO ? to come to each other?s assistance in case of danger."

ukraine/poland/the baltics......all telling russia,we`re not going back to being your bitches....

this is the "new" warsaw pact....

pretty shrewd move...no trrops...no military involvement...

just a line in the sand by some democracies that have decided to say "enough"......

russians play chess...

americans play poker...

welcome to the table, vlad....

it`s getting interesting...

 

[djv]

I don't see how this helps anything going on in Georgia. And it sounds like your ok with Russian missiles installed in Cuba. We went thru this chit in 60's lets see if we learned anything.
Nice to see Bush went over to CIA today to get briefing today. Thats about 6 days to late.

 

[kosar]

you think this prick isn`t trying to back the west down?...

putin wants missiles in cuba?....


http://www.boston.com/news/world/la...n_says_russia_needs_to_go_back_to_cuba_media/


we`ll call that,mr putin..

Thu Aug 14, 7:30 PM ET
WARSAW, Poland - "Poland and the United States reached an agreement Thursday that will see a battery of American missiles established inside Poland, a plan that has infuriated Russia and raised the specter of an escalation of tension with the region?s communist-era master.

The deal, which was to be signed later Thursday in Warsaw by Poland and the United States, includes what Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk called a ?mutual commitment? between the two nations ? beyond that of NATO ? to come to each other?s assistance in case of danger."

ukraine/poland/the baltics......all telling russia,we`re not going back to being your bitches....

this is the "new" warsaw pact....

pretty shrewd move...no trrops...no military involvement...

just a line in the sand by some democracies that have decided to say "enough"......

russians play chess...

americans play poker...

welcome to the table, vlad....

it`s getting interesting...

Probably missed it in your article, but I didn't see anything about Russia putting missiles in Cuba.

But even if so, did you really think there would be no response to an utterly useless proposition of putting 'defensive' weapons systems right next door to Russia to protect Europe from Iran?

Iran attacking Europe? :mj07:

You people are comical.

 

[BobbyBlueChip]

"It's getting interesting"

. . . like it's a sporting event.

 

[BobbyBlueChip]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rk78eCIx4E

 

[Chadman]

Seems to me that the conflict was in fact started by Georgia, and responded to by Russia. If so, it's more difficult to pinpoint exactly when and where Russia should act, or stop. It's no secret we have helped get the Georgia regime going, and support them. So, IMO, to say that we have nothing to do with this, or have nothing to blame in it seems naive, or self serving.

And Bush has been more than confrontational in his terms with Putin, China, and anyone else he could position himself against. The missile defense system is just another example.

 

[RAYMOND]

Agree that Russia needed a excuse to invade Georgis and they got it.
The main part of this article really hits home thou.
Ukraine is the major player here.
They were even saying that they need to get permission(russia) to refuel on there way back from Georgia,there ships im talking who are in the black sea.

Hey Ray hows the concrete in Philly?
In Northeast very slow.Ive been ou of work since mid-July.I should be going back in a week or two.
(waiting for 2 jobs to kick-off) Scary stuff these days no.:scared

been slow but getting busy now, holding my own

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

One thing about the conflict and conflicts to come in that area--they will continue in the future.

The question is --do you want pres who is so green and incompetent- who has never been in area and whose intial advice was to threaten to remove Russia from security council when most grade schoolers know they are one of 5 permanant members and it's impossible.

---or someone who been in area numerous times and is personal friend of Georgia's pres

--heard rumor O was discussing situation with Oprah and Clooney and they were wondering how close Russian troops were from Atlanta.

 

[gardenweasel]

Probably missed it in your article, but I didn't see anything about Russia putting missiles in Cuba.

But even if so, did you really think there would be no response to an utterly useless proposition of putting 'defensive' weapons systems right next door to Russia to protect Europe from Iran?

Iran attacking Europe? :mj07:

You people are comical.

lets see...:mj03:

last i recall,russia had troops/advisors/all kinds of stuff in cuba prior to the missile crisis....we didn`t make a big fuss until they started putting missiles on the island...

we have advisors and support in georgia...but,as far as i know,we have no missiles there of any kind ...in any russain sattelite countries...those countries had up till now balked at hosting the defensive missile systems..

even after the missile issue,did we invade cuba?....as they`ve invaded georgia?...

i don`t think so...

so,thanks to putin`s little gambit,russia may just have shat the bed by preemptively attacking their little neighbor..

looks like some of the old soviet sattelites actually WILL be getting missile systems and a fast track into nato....

without us having to fire a shot in anger..

brilliant stroke..

of course that won`t stop self hating appeasers like kosar from whining and stomping their feet....

but,we knew that..

....

 

[rusty]

Seems to me that the conflict was in fact started by Georgia, and responded to by Russia. If so, it's more difficult to pinpoint exactly when and where Russia should act, or stop. It's no secret we have helped get the Georgia regime going, and support them. So, IMO, to say that we have nothing to do with this, or have nothing to blame in it seems naive, or self serving.

And Bush has been more than confrontational in his terms with Putin, China, and anyone else he could position himself against. The missile defense system is just another example.

So we helped and our allies of georgia.
Whats wrong with that?

Were only gonna do so much for them,no.
Were sure not gonna fight along side them.
In there region realisticly there on there own.

Will train them,give them aid.
But to say were orchrastrating them like puppets is nonsense.There own affairs are just that,there own affairs.

 

[dawgball]

This conflict has been brewing for quite some time. I think the Georgians more than likely had the first outwardly offensive measure. My guess is that Russia was leading the relationship down this path.

Russia is really trying to find its way right now from going to the #2 unit in the world to a virtual nobody outside of their oil production.

While spending time in both countries (Russia & Ukraine), you could feel a sense that Ukraine has turned the page on Russia and wants to become more of a part of Western Europe and leave the USSR slavery in the past.

Russians hate that with a passion. Even when Ukraines speak Ukranian (very similar to Russian), there is a tension among Russians about this.

Putin is a dangerous man, imo. He is old-school, hard-lined and he will make as much fuss that they can muster if we push too hard.

I really hope we can take a neutral stance on this for the long term. The outcome will not be pleasant if not.

 

[Chadman]

I'm not saying we shouldn't have helped them. Honestly, I don't know much of the situation, just what I've heard of late, from different sources. I think both sides seem opportunistic in what has been going on.

If you truly believe that our country and the aid we give other countries has no bearing on how they conduct their external affairs with other countries, then I'd say that is pretty naive. Do I think we would at face value go into that conflict with firepower and fight Russia? No, but stranger things have happened. Do I think this could be part of a bigger picture problem that could escalate? Yes. And Bush is again the problem, in my mind with his rhetoric and pressure on other leaders at times when that pressure can only cause negativity to come back against us.

The thought comes to mind with Iraq. We did everything we could to arm that country and that leader, and look where it took us - and continues to affect us. The U. S. has taken on a much more prominent role in the affairs of many other states in the world over the past few years, and I worry about that.

 

[djv]

Dawgball/Chadman It's ok we help countries around the world. But we better be careful about aways sticking are military in middle. I just don't think boys in Government are paying attention to our Generals. And why the hell can't Europe be pushed to take lead in there own back yard.