Ryder Cup 2010
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Pretty sure I read that Mahan is the only US player with a winning record in Ryder Cup play. :facepalm:
I'm playing the U.S. small, due to the length of the course, the psychological strength (that I perceive) in the U.S. rookies, and the lackluster performance of a couple of the top Euro players including injury concerns (Westwood, no Casey on the squad). While I certainly consider the Euros to be a superior squad on paper, I think there is plenty of value in the Americans, especially with so many of their rookies playing well and seemingly mentally tough guys.
U.S. to win for 1 unit.
Here's a betting angle article from another site that has some good info:
Ryder Cup: What bettors need to know
By DAVID PAYNE
Team USA has one player with a winning record in Ryder Cup play. Team Europe has four.
Team Europe has four of the five top putters statistically in the field. Team USA has two of the worst drivers in terms of accuracy in the field.
Team Europe has won five of the last six Ryder Cups it has hosted and three of the last four overall.
The Irish sportsbook Paddy Power is so convinced Team Europe will roll, it paid off any bets on the Europeans a week before the tournament teed off.
The American betting public apparently agrees.
?We?re seeing a lot of support for Europe,? said Jeff Sherman, Las Vegas? top golf oddsmaker and assistant manager of the race and sportsbook at the Hilton.
Team Europe opened up at -1/2 (-150). Sherman has since pushed it up to -165, and now says the value may be with the Americans.
?When I look up and down the lineups, I don?t see much of a discrepancy to warrant the price other than where they?re playing,? Sherman explained. ?To me, to lay a half and a price like [-165] is steep. Really, this event could be a pick ?em.?
************* agrees.
?A few short months ago, the Europeans were heavier favorites but the injury to Lee Westwood and the omission of Paul Casey has really cut down on any advantage,? said Fargo, who remains puzzled how Captain Colin Montgomerie left Casey, the ninth-ranked player in the world, off his roster. ?I found some good numbers for USA at +170 and +175 so I think the value is there.?
THE MOST IMPORTANT STAT
?Putting is the biggest factor in the Ryder Cup because it is the biggest factor in match play. Stroke play you have to worry about every shot because every shot counts toward your score. In match play, all it takes is one missed putt or one made putt to lose or win a hole respectively. If a player is putting well, they are extremely tough to beat and the vice versa.? ? Covers Expert Matt Fargo.
Top five putters in the Ryder Cup: Padraig Harrington, Luke Donald, Miguel Angel Jiminez, Martin Kaymer and Steve Stricker.
The Course
The Twenty Ten Course at The Celtic Manor Resort in Newport, South Wales was specifically designed to host the 2010 Ryder Cup. It?s a long Par 71 setup, stretching 7,439 yards.
Water is in play on nine holes.
The forecast calls for light rains and temperatures in the 60s.
Team USA Breakdown
WHO'S HOT?
Matt Kuchar: No one has it going more than the smiley Kuchar. He has the lowest scoring average of anyone in field and has a Tour-best 31 Top 10s.
Dustin Johnson: His overall game gets overshadowed by his length. His length gives him the kind of confidence that pays dividends in the Ryder Cup.
WHO'S NOT?
Phil Mickelson: With all the focus on Tiger?s wayward tee shots, Phil has gotten a bit of a pass. Mickelson?s 52.66 percent driving accuracy is by far the worst in the field.
Jeff Overton: He has not played well since Stuart Appleby fired a final-round 59 to beat him at the Greenbriar Classic in early August. In his last three tournaments, he?s missed a cut and finished at +10 and +11.
ROSTER
(Ryder Cup record)
No. 35 Stewart Cink (4-7-1)
No. 33 Rickie Fowler (First Ryder Cup)
No. 5 Jim Furyk (8-13-3)
No. 12 Dustin Johnson (First Ryder Cup)
No. 19 Zach Johnson (1-2-1)
No. 11 Matt Kuchar (First Ryder Cup)
No. 14 Hunter Mahan (2-0-3)
No. 2 Phil Mickelson (10-14-6)
No. 48 Jeff Overton (First Ryder Cup)
No. 4 Steve Stricker (0-2-1)
No. 24 Bubba Watson (First Ryder Cup)
No. 1Tiger Woods (10-13-2)
Team Europe Breakdown
WHO?S HOT?
Martin Kaymer: He capped off the most consistent year worldwide by winning the PGA Championship. He followed that up with his third win of the season at the KLM Open in September.
Angel Jimenez: ?He?s a big, under-the-radar guy in my opinions,? said Fargo. ?He won three times in Europe this year.?
Who?s not?
LEE WESTWOOD: The highest-ranked European hasn?t played much competitive golf since withdrawing from the Bridgestone Invitational with an injury to a muscle in his calf.
PETER HANSON: The lowest-ranked European had to withdraw from last week?s Vivideni Cup with an illnesss.
Roster
(Ryder Cup record)
No. 3 Lee Westwood (14-10-5)
No. 9 Rory McIlroy (Rookie)
No. 13 Graeme McDowell (2-1-1)
No. 16 Ian Poulter (5-2-0)
No. 27 Ross Fisher (Rookie)
No. 32 Francesco Molinari (Rookie)
No. 42 Peter Hanson (Rookie)
No. 26 Miguel Angel Jimenez (2-7-3)
No. 22 Padraig Harrington (7-11-3)
No. 8 Luke Donald (5-1-1)
No. 15 Edoardo Molinari (First Ryder Cup)
U.S. to win for 1 unit.
Here's a betting angle article from another site that has some good info:
Ryder Cup: What bettors need to know
By DAVID PAYNE
Team USA has one player with a winning record in Ryder Cup play. Team Europe has four.
Team Europe has four of the five top putters statistically in the field. Team USA has two of the worst drivers in terms of accuracy in the field.
Team Europe has won five of the last six Ryder Cups it has hosted and three of the last four overall.
The Irish sportsbook Paddy Power is so convinced Team Europe will roll, it paid off any bets on the Europeans a week before the tournament teed off.
The American betting public apparently agrees.
?We?re seeing a lot of support for Europe,? said Jeff Sherman, Las Vegas? top golf oddsmaker and assistant manager of the race and sportsbook at the Hilton.
Team Europe opened up at -1/2 (-150). Sherman has since pushed it up to -165, and now says the value may be with the Americans.
?When I look up and down the lineups, I don?t see much of a discrepancy to warrant the price other than where they?re playing,? Sherman explained. ?To me, to lay a half and a price like [-165] is steep. Really, this event could be a pick ?em.?
************* agrees.
?A few short months ago, the Europeans were heavier favorites but the injury to Lee Westwood and the omission of Paul Casey has really cut down on any advantage,? said Fargo, who remains puzzled how Captain Colin Montgomerie left Casey, the ninth-ranked player in the world, off his roster. ?I found some good numbers for USA at +170 and +175 so I think the value is there.?
THE MOST IMPORTANT STAT
?Putting is the biggest factor in the Ryder Cup because it is the biggest factor in match play. Stroke play you have to worry about every shot because every shot counts toward your score. In match play, all it takes is one missed putt or one made putt to lose or win a hole respectively. If a player is putting well, they are extremely tough to beat and the vice versa.? ? Covers Expert Matt Fargo.
Top five putters in the Ryder Cup: Padraig Harrington, Luke Donald, Miguel Angel Jiminez, Martin Kaymer and Steve Stricker.
The Course
The Twenty Ten Course at The Celtic Manor Resort in Newport, South Wales was specifically designed to host the 2010 Ryder Cup. It?s a long Par 71 setup, stretching 7,439 yards.
Water is in play on nine holes.
The forecast calls for light rains and temperatures in the 60s.
Team USA Breakdown
WHO'S HOT?
Matt Kuchar: No one has it going more than the smiley Kuchar. He has the lowest scoring average of anyone in field and has a Tour-best 31 Top 10s.
Dustin Johnson: His overall game gets overshadowed by his length. His length gives him the kind of confidence that pays dividends in the Ryder Cup.
WHO'S NOT?
Phil Mickelson: With all the focus on Tiger?s wayward tee shots, Phil has gotten a bit of a pass. Mickelson?s 52.66 percent driving accuracy is by far the worst in the field.
Jeff Overton: He has not played well since Stuart Appleby fired a final-round 59 to beat him at the Greenbriar Classic in early August. In his last three tournaments, he?s missed a cut and finished at +10 and +11.
ROSTER
(Ryder Cup record)
No. 35 Stewart Cink (4-7-1)
No. 33 Rickie Fowler (First Ryder Cup)
No. 5 Jim Furyk (8-13-3)
No. 12 Dustin Johnson (First Ryder Cup)
No. 19 Zach Johnson (1-2-1)
No. 11 Matt Kuchar (First Ryder Cup)
No. 14 Hunter Mahan (2-0-3)
No. 2 Phil Mickelson (10-14-6)
No. 48 Jeff Overton (First Ryder Cup)
No. 4 Steve Stricker (0-2-1)
No. 24 Bubba Watson (First Ryder Cup)
No. 1Tiger Woods (10-13-2)
Team Europe Breakdown
WHO?S HOT?
Martin Kaymer: He capped off the most consistent year worldwide by winning the PGA Championship. He followed that up with his third win of the season at the KLM Open in September.
Angel Jimenez: ?He?s a big, under-the-radar guy in my opinions,? said Fargo. ?He won three times in Europe this year.?
Who?s not?
LEE WESTWOOD: The highest-ranked European hasn?t played much competitive golf since withdrawing from the Bridgestone Invitational with an injury to a muscle in his calf.
PETER HANSON: The lowest-ranked European had to withdraw from last week?s Vivideni Cup with an illnesss.
Roster
(Ryder Cup record)
No. 3 Lee Westwood (14-10-5)
No. 9 Rory McIlroy (Rookie)
No. 13 Graeme McDowell (2-1-1)
No. 16 Ian Poulter (5-2-0)
No. 27 Ross Fisher (Rookie)
No. 32 Francesco Molinari (Rookie)
No. 42 Peter Hanson (Rookie)
No. 26 Miguel Angel Jimenez (2-7-3)
No. 22 Padraig Harrington (7-11-3)
No. 8 Luke Donald (5-1-1)
No. 15 Edoardo Molinari (First Ryder Cup)
is NBC coverage over the weekend a tape delay? I see they are starting on espn like 1am friday, but first telecast on weekend is 8am nbc.......... sure hope not
Will they announce the pairings for Friday today, or won't we find out until tomorrow morning meaning there will be no lines for these matches b/c there would be no time to get the lines up?
Pairings are out...
Furyk and Mahan sitting out opening matches, while guys like Overton and Cink are in the lineup. :shrug:
Furyk and Mahan sitting out opening matches, while guys like Overton and Cink are in the lineup. :shrug:
Friday Fourballs play (4pts):
Lee Westwood/Martin Kaymer to bea Phil Mickelson/Dustin Johnson +115 @ Unibet
Monty has put his strongest two players (at least in terms of World Ranking) out first and that looks a good play, particularly on home soil. It should ease the nerves of the rookie Kaymer, who has won his last two events, including the PGA Championship, and it is a sign of confidence in the fitness (and form) of Westwood who hasn't played for eight weeks. It is their opponents that are the main reason for this play. Mickelson's form has been patchy at best since the U.S. Open almost four months ago and Dustin Johnson is hardly noted for his ability to play under pressure. If Mickelson continues to struggle to find the fairways, he will have to face more pressure than usual for any Ryder Cup rookie on foreign soil.
[unofficial system play: Cink/Kuchar tb McIlroy/McDowell +220]
Lee Westwood/Martin Kaymer to bea Phil Mickelson/Dustin Johnson +115 @ Unibet
Monty has put his strongest two players (at least in terms of World Ranking) out first and that looks a good play, particularly on home soil. It should ease the nerves of the rookie Kaymer, who has won his last two events, including the PGA Championship, and it is a sign of confidence in the fitness (and form) of Westwood who hasn't played for eight weeks. It is their opponents that are the main reason for this play. Mickelson's form has been patchy at best since the U.S. Open almost four months ago and Dustin Johnson is hardly noted for his ability to play under pressure. If Mickelson continues to struggle to find the fairways, he will have to face more pressure than usual for any Ryder Cup rookie on foreign soil.
[unofficial system play: Cink/Kuchar tb McIlroy/McDowell +220]
Corey Pavin is a buffoon....Wow, have met him and although it was for 10 minuets, he was nothing more than a normal person
WATSON & OVERTON +165 (WATSON & OVERTON vrs DONALD & HARRINGTON)
STRICKER & WOODS -150 (STRICKER & WOODS vrs POULTER & FISHER)
KUCHAR & CINK +140 (KUCHAR & CINK vrs MCDOWELL & MCILROY)
WATSON & OVERTON +165 (WATSON & OVERTON vrs DONALD & HARRINGTON)
STRICKER & WOODS -150 (STRICKER & WOODS vrs POULTER & FISHER)
KUCHAR & CINK +140 (KUCHAR & CINK vrs MCDOWELL & MCILROY)
Donald -115 over Furyk TOTAL POINTS in Ryder Cup
Europe -0.5 +115 over USA Saturday Foursomes
Europe to win the Ryder Cup -152 (odds from several weeks back when I put it in)
Europe -0.5 +115 over USA Saturday Foursomes
Europe to win the Ryder Cup -152 (odds from several weeks back when I put it in)
Poulter/Fisher +130 over Woods/Stricker 4 ball
just staying with the anti Tiger plays which have worked pretty well this year. The latest round of one of his girls shopping one of his sex tapes will help to keep him distracted.
just staying with the anti Tiger plays which have worked pretty well this year. The latest round of one of his girls shopping one of his sex tapes will help to keep him distracted.
McDowell/Mclroy -170
Donald/Harrington -210
first golf bets since Kaymer captured the PGA
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Donald/Harrington -210
first golf bets since Kaymer captured the PGA
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Donald/Harrington -205
Poulter/Fisher +130
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Overall playing
Europe over U.S. -170
GL
Poulter/Fisher +130
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Overall playing
Europe over U.S. -170
GL
Play suspended due to waterlogged course.
IMO this is Tim Finchem's fault
This event has always been played in the 3rd week of September ... it was even played in that week two years ago in a two-week gap between the BMW Championship and the Tour Championship, but the spectacle of the US win devalued the TV appeal of the Tour Championship the following week. So the PGA Tour said that it could only be played after their Tour Championship.
The only weather delay that I can remember in this contest is the fog on the first morning at Valderrama in 1997. Playing golf in the UK in September is fine, but not in October. And it will only be worse in Scotland when the Ryder Cup is played at Gleneagles in 2016.
This is a sorry spectacle and it was totally avoidable!
IMO this is Tim Finchem's fault
This event has always been played in the 3rd week of September ... it was even played in that week two years ago in a two-week gap between the BMW Championship and the Tour Championship, but the spectacle of the US win devalued the TV appeal of the Tour Championship the following week. So the PGA Tour said that it could only be played after their Tour Championship.
The only weather delay that I can remember in this contest is the fog on the first morning at Valderrama in 1997. Playing golf in the UK in September is fine, but not in October. And it will only be worse in Scotland when the Ryder Cup is played at Gleneagles in 2016.
This is a sorry spectacle and it was totally avoidable!
Just announced that the Morning Fourball Matches will resume at 12 PM EST. They should be able to get in around 2 hours of golf before darkness. :facepalm:
In order to complete this event by Sunday night, they have reduced the number of sessions to four:
Session 2: Six foursomes
Session 3: Two foursomes & four fourballs
Session 4: Twelve singles
It means that everyone will play in each session from now on and the each session will start shortly after the last has finished.
Session 2: Six foursomes
Session 3: Two foursomes & four fourballs
Session 4: Twelve singles
It means that everyone will play in each session from now on and the each session will start shortly after the last has finished.
Monty stuck with playing Harrington in every match now :facepalm: :facepalm: Donald must be dead tired trying to carry him all 18 holes:scared
Session 2 Foursome play (4pts):
Francesco Molinari/Edoardo Molinari to beat Zach Johnson/HJunter Mahan -105 @ Pinnacle
Francesco Molinari/Edoardo Molinari to beat Zach Johnson/HJunter Mahan -105 @ Pinnacle
Been up since 2 watching......USA Playing tough
WATSON & OVERTON -120 (WATSON & OVERTON vrs JIMENEZ & HANSON)
KUCHAR & CINK -130 (KUCHAR & CINK vrs E.MOLINARI & F MOLINARI)
WATSON & OVERTON -120 (WATSON & OVERTON vrs JIMENEZ & HANSON)
KUCHAR & CINK -130 (KUCHAR & CINK vrs E.MOLINARI & F MOLINARI)
