well i can tell you out here i had 4-5.5 at the open and saw 4-6 off shore,i know where he played it not from one of the books here,cal/neva and jokers wild put up 4's to open you need to look for numbers at some smaller places and might find them,i really have a hard time playing overnight,i like to see alittle movement to get a feel,but thats me i seem to do better that way,but if you scalp a lot its a good thing to do.