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yearofthesnake

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easy now yyz......listing to rush, or playing your drums in your garage band makes you an expert?

I don't care how oddball dawg's stuff is, it's interesting and just one method...

Now, that you said what you did....I don't think that you should use any of his selections in the 5k tourney....whithout hearing it from the dawg if you do...

you go dawg....tear into that 80's metal wanna be capper, and beat him with his own stick...
 

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Great thread Dawgball--

From what I've seen, the "public" loves to bet the strongest offensive teams. They love to see big offensive numbers but ignore the defensive stats. Who comes to mind??St. Louis, Denver, Indy and Minnesota. That's not to say there aren't good bets with these teams; but they probably will be over-bet when they are on the road; esp the three of those teams who play in domes.
 

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And I thought I was 9-1 in that contest based on my hard work......silly me!

I don't have any problems with dball's spin on things. I just hear far too often about 'smart money', 'public perception', 'steam moves', etc.

I would be willing to bet that those plays even out just like any other plays....that is all I was trying to get across.

I have the problem that a vast majority of you guys do when we talk about losing cash:

I make too many bets!

I am in about 8 contests at different spots on the net. I am in, or near 1st place in about half of them. The contests I am doing well at, involve picking only a couple games a week. It seems the more I wager, the worse I get.

I will post up a few plays each week, but then I bat on half-times, qtrs, props....and lose my ass!

This is what I need to work on!

No harm meant to dawg or his posse, so let's not start a Jihad in here!
 

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yyz-didn't mean anything by it and that is the only reason I opened this thread this time was to mention that fact. I usually don't and will never throw sludge again in this place. My comment about you being clever was a bad move.

I am definitely not saying that I know where Smart MOnay or Public money is going. I was simply referring to where I get the feeling that public perception is leaning. This can be influenced heavily by something as silly as what story is being covered on SportsCenter a certain night. It's amazing how many people know who Swami (Chris Berman, not the one on this site) picks each week, but he has never hit over the needed mark to win money. He will tell you he is terrible, but some people still look to him for guidance.

You are probably right about these plays evening out. That is why I said before that I will be watching this instead of putting money on it.

Let's see if it works. If it doesn't then we'll toss it out.

Congrats on your impressive records.



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dawg

i would personally disregard this approach. there a very few exceptions, but i don't see them yet at this stage of the season.

as far as the lines: yes, public perception has an influence on the lines, but we can isolate balt -7 last week. so many people saying: why is it so low? well, vegas, like many of us, detected cincy had something going and that balt is showing a major weakness on offense. ditto for minny.

g.b.'s line was not overblown at all, witnessed by so many here jumping on wash at 8, 9 and 10. i personally thought the line should have been at 10 from the very beginning, but if we take into account how the line rose, it would indicate that the money, real smart, recognized two very opposite trends going on with those two teams.

i posted in the other nfl thread:
"as unpopular as it may be, i will pick g.b. to beat wash easily", or words to that effect. that is almost a sin in this handicapping world, and brings a chuckle to some, with the perception that if "a" was blown away and "b" blew someone away, then the line will be inflated in favor of "b".

the carolina game had a precedent between these two, which favored atlanta.

i thought buff had the possiblities of a cover, but skipped it anyway, knowing the explosiveness of indy, where the line should have around 14, as field goals are negligible in that spot.

tenn is one of those that may fall in the category you mentioned. it became a bandwagon here at madjack, even as most of us think we are that smart, we are not immune to that effect. i too, passed on that game, mostly because of all the noise for tenn, but still favoring jax.

i definitely think you are going to drive yourself crazy trying to figure out what the public perceives, etc., as we are also part of that j.q.p. we all talk about. yes, you and i.

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Whoa nelly as someone used to say. Pieace at MJ, please. Well so much here I cant type that long. But who is the puplic. Hell I don't know. Heres what I do DB. I take alook at GB two wins at home. As we all know now vs two bad teams. So line is 3 to 4. If GB had lost one of those games. The game would be pick or they may even be very small dog. If they had beat Det and say Oak they would be 4.5 to 5.5. Now they are on rd with short week to prepare. Them boys are flying high. They do have motavation double revenge. Will more money go on them because of Monday and many folks saw the game. I would say yes. Is that us I guess so. So what would the smart guys do if there is such a thing. I guess they wait to late in the week and hope to get plus as many points they can. If for some reason the lined droped. Well then you might say wait a second its get on GB time.
You asked how to get a handle on emotion.
Many times a teamthat has scored over 30 two weeks in a row they strugle for points in there next game. Why? Well it is the NFL and your most horse chit team can just come alive when you dont expect it and play good D. Also not every thing goes just as it was going and there are some droped balls a FG missed and so on. There head is not in the game. Some times this comes from they are in a sandwich game. To div games in a row now a non div game followed by another next week they have alet down. I also look how does that coach if he has been there at least one full year do in non div games. Some do play div and none div differant. So do I keep records all this stuff. Nope. Its new every week new every year and it's work. No short cuts. Oh and always look out for a Q B change the first week it happens. If the team the QB is with is good the change wont mean as much as it does to a poor team. I always look at how to go against any new coachs first four weeks also. Why? It seems to work. But thats another story and my brain hurts. Ther I gave you guys all kinds of things you can throw rocks at and tell me why im one dum SOB. But hey thats why im here im still learning. And thats after 35 years of this. GBA and GL

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As one whos ass is chasing YYZ( yeah, I'm a slacker--I'm only 8-2 in the contest)


All I have to say is:

Do you our own fu$%in handicapping-- and you too-

might actually come out ahead gambling--
but as a wise bettor--
I doubt it...


Keep kicking ass, YYZ--

this 'capper needs the competition!
 

dr. freeze

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yyz is right......

Handicapping has to do with doing homework and betting a select plate of games.

We lose money when we think we can pick them all.

Also -- totally agree with the deal on the public -- I do think the only thing you oughtta do with regards to the public is figure out who they are gonna bet on, and then bet it early -- and then try to middle it. Tough to middle -- but the odds are 20:1 if you do -- so if you can hit a couple big numbers -- like 13 and 14 perhaps in the Indy, NE game -- you are gonna hit them on a better rate then 20:1. More like 10:1

That is all figuring out who the public will take is worth.

Like YYZ said -- HOMEWORK IS THE KEY!!!!!!!
 

dawgball

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Thanks for the input everyone. I don't think that I expressed myself well enough. I never said that I was against homework. Also, the only reason I feel that I would be able to guess at who the public is liking is because I am part of the Public.

Once again, thanks for the input. I will keep watching. And if we're tooting our own horns here, I am doing awful at 7-3 in that contest.

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Your comment about public favorites is something I've been using as a handicapping tool for many years. The only thing though is that I will not go in and bet the other side. I will just stay off the game. It's very hard to go in and bet a team where everyone in the world is picking and betting on the other side. It takes more guts than I have.

Besides perception that you use, I also use the line movement from Mon to the day of the game. That's a more concrete way of telling who the public is on. But the bottom line is that I definitely believe your theory works and will have more than 55% winners every year.
 

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yeah, guys, don't get too excited with the contest yet. i too, am at 7-3, in 15th place or so, tied with another 15. have we got some 'cappers here, or what?

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djv

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Im not in any contest so im 0 & 0. So I can't help it you guys are so smart. My luck if I followed any of you. I would only play the ones you have wrong. LOL, LMAO.
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This week (as yyz predicted) evened out the numbers somewhat. Here are the results.

NE +12'--winner
Minnesota +2'--winner
Arizona +3--loser
Dallas +14--loser
Cincinnati +6'--loser
Carolina +3'--loser

I am going to continue to watch this. I will be back with this week's lookers later today.

Season: 6-6

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