Step up

[marine]

Just my two cents, and I feel like venting.

When are people going to start stepping up to the plate?

This is freaking the United States of America! We disbanded ourselves from Great Britian, a freaking superpower of the world back in the 1700's and we beat them on land and on the water! Why?
because we wanted to! People stepped up to the plate and made things happen.

Look where we are today. USA is the freakin superpower... yes, no matter what you may claim, USA is still the dominant force in the world today. Things (good and bad) happen because of us.
And yet no one is willing to step up and say yup, we are a bunch of baaaaaaaaad mofo's. Our politicians wiffle waffle, play games, and talk like idiots on the world scale.

In 1770 this country's population was in the tens of thousands, and it put out guys like washington, benedict, revere, john paul jones, later on came thomas jefferson, john adams, franklin...and much much more.

Name 10 people in america right now as influential as our founding fathers were 200+ yrs ago.

And then remember that our population has exponentially risen since then.

This country (and many others) have been pussified beyond belief.

discuss amongst yourselves,

I am going out in the backyard to dig up john wayne

 

[Bombs]

We have a huge problem in this country when it comes to finding competent, intelligent, and well meaning world leaders.

Why would anyone of intelligence, who has achieved anything in their life, and is a happy individual choose to enter American politics? There is no reason to subject oneself (if one has something better to do) to intense media scrutiny, stories about one's past, and a lifestyle that will certainly bring little real free time or pleasure.

So who does go into politics now. Basically, it's three groups:

1) The family politicians ala Kennedy, Bush, Gore, etc.

2) Those who have a long standing desire to enter politics to fulfill their desire for attention and power ala Kerry

3) Rich people who basically do it for sport

 

[I LOVE WR]

Look where we are today. USA is the freakin superpower... yes, no matter what you may claim, USA is still the dominant force in the world today

YA OK. TELL THAT TO CHINA. THE US IS NOTHING COMPARED TO WHAT IS WAS EVEN 20 YEARS AGO. NOT HIGH ENOUGH BIRTH RATE EXCEPT BLACKS. ALOT OF GARBAGE IMIGRANTS BEING ALLOWED IN ALSO HURTING THE US ALA DRUGS OR UNEMPLOYED BUMS.

IF CANADA HAD THE CLIMATE CANADA WOULD EASILY RULE THE WORLD. OBVIOUSLY WE'RE A HELL OF ALOT TOUGHER THAN THE US. AND WE DONT NEED STEROIDS TO BE TOUGH. BOTTOMLINE IS OUR CLIMATE HURTS US. WE'RE LIKE BUFFALO OR DETROIT BUT WE HAVE TONS OF MONEY.

AMERICA IS ALL PUSSIES WHO SIT ON THEIR PC'S AND GAMBLE ON FIXED PRO SPORTS.LOL

CANADA CANADA CANADA. I AM THE KING

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Bombs You might add a 4th
People who want to become rich.
aka Clinton who highest reported income tax base prior to politics was $36,000

Marine I think the biggest reason is complacency. I don't think a strong leader would get the vote however 911 changed that somewhat. There are generations of people that do not know the sacrifices that contributed to their freedoms---yet try and bend and use those freedoms to extremes.
A classic parralell is South Korea. In last elections you had divided 50/50 population in elections. The old heads who experienced the Korean war were behind the candidate who was pro U.S. almost to the man--yet the young crowd who had known nothing except the procperity as the result of the war were anti U.S.

 

[Chanman]

http://www.negativepositive.org/****-canada.html

 

[djv]

Tough to like what's going on. Bush policy in Iraq a screw up. Kerrys idea on taxes a screw up. Then they cant talk real issues they just call each other names. They both act 17 years old. So who in there right mind wants to run out of the real good people we do have in this country. Look what they did to MC Cain. When people talk greed. I'm starting to think it rhymes with president. Maybe old Nader has got more right then both these guys.

 

[Bombs]

Tough to like what's going on. Bush policy in Iraq a screw up. Kerrys idea on taxes a screw up. Then they cant talk real issues they just call each other names. They both act 17 years old. So who in there right mind wants to run out of the real good people we do have in this country. Look what they did to MC Cain. When people talk greed. I'm starting to think it rhymes with president. Maybe old Nader has got more right then both these guys.

My thoughts exactly. A couple of idiots. The problem is that Americans don't give a shit, and of course, we will have to exercise our right to vote for one of these assholes because its our "civic duty." Our civic duty should be to find someone competent to run for President, not a couple of C student, do anything, say anything clowns. Only the wingers in our country could actually "like" either of these candidates. To most, they are both unappealing, and it comes down to the lesser of two evils.

 

[Chanman]

Columbus Senator To Be Deployed To Iraq
Stivers Running In November Election

POSTED: 3:05 pm EDT September 8, 2004
UPDATED: 6:53 pm EDT September 8, 2004

COLUMBUS, Ohio -- A state senator has announced he's headed to the Persian Gulf as the leader of his Ohio Army National Guard unit.

Columbus Republican Steve Stivers, the commander of the Columbus-based 237th Personnel Services Batallion, leaves next month for a deployment in support of the war in Iraq.

He said security rules prevent him from providing more details or saying where he'll be based.

His unit keeps track of soldiers in the field, the awarding of medals and contact with families at home.

Stivers, 39, was appointed to the Senate in January 2003 and is running for election to the seat this November.

Stivers joined the Army National Guard 19 years ago.

He was eligible for a lawmaker's deferment but said he never considered not going.

"I always knew that mobilization was a possibility, and now the time has come," Stiver said.

Word of deployment came as the U.S. military death toll in Iraq topped the 1,000 mark.

"No soldier loves war too much, because soldiers pay the ultimate price in war," Stivers said.

He will remain overseas for up to a year. Stivers said he will not give up his Senate seat and will continue to campaign. His staff will run his office while fellow Republicans will stump for him.

"He's always been active in the military, and he feels it's his duty," said his mother Carol Stivers. "As a mother, I am apprehensive. I pray daily for everybody who is there."

 

[kosar]

Bombs You might add a 4th
People who want to become rich.
aka Clinton who highest reported income tax base prior to politics was $36,000

Clinton again. Tough crowd. Kerry gets slammed because his wife is rich and Clinton gets slammed because he came from nothing.

 

[JT]

One who bends over for strap-ons shouldn't be calling out others for being pussies. :nono:

 

[Chanman]

 

[IntenseOperator]

We have a huge problem in this country when it comes to finding competent, intelligent, and well meaning world leaders.

Why would anyone of intelligence, who has achieved anything in their life, and is a happy individual choose to enter American politics? There is no reason to subject oneself (if one has something better to do) to intense media scrutiny, stories about one's past, and a lifestyle that will certainly bring little real free time or pleasure.

So who does go into politics now. Basically, it's three groups:

1) The family politicians ala Kennedy, Bush, Gore, etc.

2) Those who have a long standing desire to enter politics to fulfill their desire for attention and power ala Kerry

3) Rich people who basically do it for sport

4) Those who want to stick cigars in fat girls twats

 

[IntenseOperator]

Thats wrong!

:142lmao:

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

"Clinton again. Tough crowd. Kerry gets slammed because his wife is rich and Clinton gets slammed because he came from nothing."

Common denominator--- Neither could cut it in the privite sector.
---and both look to politics to earn their fortunes---would take advice from a stock broker who's own portfolio was was less than mediocre--yet you don't mind the pres having same.
You think crime doesn't pay.Take a look at Slick's pardon list--his capitization on scandals,pergury,impeachment,disbarrment ect
-and Kerry--when is last time even even owned a home that was his?? Gives 0 to charity and tells em how he is going to help the little guy.
You worked hard Matt and started your own successful business and it surprises me you would go for rob peter to pay paul scenerio. I can understand how the" its not my fault" of population vote 90% democratic but you sure don't fit that mold.
So I must admit I am perplexed on your stance on several issues, yet I can agree with you on some.

 

[djv]

Most politicians are just that. Why is it they dont want real jobs. But they will use others for what ever they can get. Including getting them killed for great causes like Nam and Iraq. Bush is no ball buster just like most. What they hope for is folks just follow them with out asking to many questions.

 

[kosar]

Common denominator--- Neither could cut it in the privite sector.
---and both look to politics to earn their fortunes---would take advice from a stock broker who's own portfolio was was less than mediocre--yet you don't mind the pres having same.
You think crime doesn't pay.Take a look at Slick's pardon list--his capitization on scandals,pergury,impeachment,disbarrment ect
-and Kerry--when is last time even even owned a home that was his?? Gives 0 to charity and tells em how he is going to help the little guy.
You worked hard Matt and started your own successful business and it surprises me you would go for rob peter to pay paul scenerio. I can understand how the" its not my fault" of population vote 90% democratic but you sure don't fit that mold.
So I must admit I am perplexed on your stance on several issues, yet I can agree with you on some.

Wayne,

Please explain which of my stances perplex you. I have a feeling that you're assuming things based on my take on unrelated matters. For instance, as i've posted, I am generally for tax breaks/incentives for all businesses, both big and small. I am very much against the ridiculous estate tax laws that are basically flat-out robbery and I applaud this admin for at least taking a step in the right direction on this issue. I am very much in favor of privatizing social security. In fact, on most fiscally related matters I agree with the Republican way of thinking.

Naturally, most of the political discourse here, and everywhere, is about the Iraq 'war'. So a disproportionate amount of my posts involving politics is about that. That of course can distort peoples impression and leads to being called a bleeding heart liberal, etc, over and over. It's understandable, I guess, because i'm most passionate about the Iraq war and i've hammered on about it since before it even started, as i'm sure you remember. This makes people think that i'm some sort of socialist I guess.

This admin is incompetent at best and some of them border on evil. Again, as i've posted, I would vote for almost any other republican over Kerry and I would probably vote for Bush if he canned his whole staff and started over.

I know we all laugh about the term 'centrist' and such, but a few months ago I listed 13 topics that are mostly divided down party lines and on 7 of them I fell more in with the conservative view.

Kerry is a horrible candidate, but Bush & co. are extremely dangerous, divisive and they have shown absolutely no signs of knowing wtf they're doing in this Iraq debacle. The Pentagon and White House ignored the UN, our own Generals, the State Department and basically everybody without the last name of Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Cheney, Perle or Bush. Their arrogance is only exceeded by their stubbornness.

Although they might get 4 years, they have done absolutely nothing to earn that. They keep the people of this country as scared as they can, they campaign by strongly implying that we'll get attacked under Kerry and only the Bush admin can keep us safe, even though 9/11 happened under them. It's simply amazing.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

I Agree on several issues with and would definately agree you are more of a centrist than liberal--I was quite surprised on the voting deal in major forum that the issues were not far off on my tabulation however as I stated there, they were political generalties and not that pointed toward the particular candidates.

I also agree that GW is running primarily on security but that appears to be important to many this day and time and I think economy and security are tightly related. I thinks odds of being attacked do not very much if any regardless who is in---but I do MUCH prefer the route GW has taken than risk a newby with horrendous defence record in past.Another consideration while I am not fond of some of Bush's people in cabinet I shudder to think the crew Kerry has consorted with.
I guess Ashcroft would be my least fav--- a bit too extreme for me,howeve if having to choose the other extreme of ACLU it is still a no brainer IMHO--and considering the single largest segmant of donations for Kerry/Edwards campaighn came from lawyers it doesn't take an econ major to know whats coming--thankfully there are checks and balances as far as house and senate majorities to keep things in perspective on both sides of the fence.