The Candy Man

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Appears he's in getting in full campaign mode--
Mortgage forgiveness--cash for clunkers-bailouts-2 years unemployment benefits etc
--and now this--



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Same answer to everything--don't worry bout fixing prob--pay em off till election--

---and charge it to next generation

I expect amnesty for illegals next--
benefits are two fold--add millions to dem voting base--and he can finally have family reunion

 

[ssd]

What i find most interesting about higher education....

People scream when gas goes up $0.25.

An entire Healthcare bill was written to lower the costs of healthcare.

College tuition has been on an exponential, parabolic increase for the past 20 years and not a peep.

All we hear about is making it more affordable for the students through grants and loans.

How about we look at lowering the overall cost?

 

[StevieD]

What i find most interesting about higher education....

People scream when gas goes up $0.25.

An entire Healthcare bill was written to lower the costs of healthcare.

College tuition has been on an exponential, parabolic increase for the past 20 years and not a peep.

All we hear about is making it more affordable for the students through grants and loans.

How about we look at lowering the overall cost?

Agree 100% about tuition. Let them lower it if they want to attract students in tough times. Seems simple enough to me :shrug:

 

[PRO190]

What i find most interesting about higher education....

People scream when gas goes up $0.25.

An entire Healthcare bill was written to lower the costs of healthcare.

College tuition has been on an exponential, parabolic increase for the past 20 years and not a peep.

All we hear about is making it more affordable for the students through grants and loans.

How about we look at lowering the overall cost?

How would we Pay for the Professors to TEACH ONCE A MONTH....

 

[ssd]

Good read on exactly this subject.

(short article as well)

http://www.testosteronepit.com/home/2011/10/26/a-dysfunctional-system-that-bankrupts-a-generation.html

 

[hedgehog]

why don't we just make all college tuition free for everyone :0071 :0071

 

[Skulnik]

How about people getting a degree in something that will get them a JOB.

JMO

:0074

 

[ImFeklhr]

Forgiving student loans really irks me. It rewards people who gambled and borrowed that a more expensive school would lead to a better job (or simply wanted a more fun/adventurous college experience).

Just because their risk turned out to not payoff exactly the way they wanted is not a reason to bail them out.

I suppose if the debt is simply restructured so unemployed students have longer to pay it off, I would be ok with that.

But any sort of reduction of the debt is simply unfair to those of us that made conservative and sensible education choices in order to avoid debt.

 

[Skulnik]

Forgiving student loans really irks me. It rewards people who gambled and borrowed that a more expensive school would lead to a better job (or simply wanted a more fun/adventurous college experience).

Just because their risk turned out to not payoff exactly the way they wanted is not a reason to bail them out.

I suppose if the debt is simply restructured so unemployed students have longer to pay it off, I would be ok with that.

But any sort of reduction of the debt is simply unfair to those of us that made conservative and sensible education choices in order to avoid debt.

:0074

 

[Skulnik]

Report: Obama?s College Loan Plan Would Save Avg. Borrower??Between $4.50 and $7.75 per Month?
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 10:46am by Becket Adams
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Yesterday, President Obama unveiled his new plan to ?ensure students are able to commit to higher levels of federally backed student loans.?

Essentially, the president has just offered a college student bailout as the finial initiative of his ?We Can?t Wait? economic plan.

Two key provisions offered in the plan (as pointed out by Business Insider):
?People who hold both government-backed private sector student loans and direct loans issued by the government will be able to consolidate those debts in one government-backed loan, thereby lowering interest rates and reducing monthly payments. The administration estimates this will affect about 5.8 million people.
?The plan will accelerate income-based payment programs already passed by Congress, which allow college graduates to cap their payments at 10 percent of their income, rather than the existing 15 percent cap. Under Obama?s executive rollout, the new cap, originally scheduled to take effect in 2014, will take effect in 2013 for an estimated 1.6 million students and recent graduates.

But will these provisions really come close to dealing with the nearly $1 trillion in outstanding college debt? Some reports say ?not even close.?

Daniel Indiviglio of The Atlantic put together an interesting report that calculates the impact of the president?s proposals:


Consolidation: The first would clearly be the most significant [impact], because it is aimed at helping more student loan borrowers. How much would an interest rate reduction of up to 0.5 percent affect payments?

For the average borrower, the impact would be small. In 2011, Bachelor?s degree recipients graduating with debt had an average balance of $27,204, according to an analysis done by finaid.org, based on Department of Education data. That average has ballooned from just $17,646 over the past decade.

:lol:

 

[hedgehog]

Forgiving student loans really irks me. It rewards people who gambled and borrowed that a more expensive school would lead to a better job (or simply wanted a more fun/adventurous college experience).

Just because their risk turned out to not payoff exactly the way they wanted is not a reason to bail them out.

I suppose if the debt is simply restructured so unemployed students have longer to pay it off, I would be ok with that.

But any sort of reduction of the debt is simply unfair to those of us that made conservative and sensible education choices in order to avoid debt.

could not agree more :0074

I just paid for my classes up front :shrug:

 

[The Sponge]

Agree 100% about tuition. Let them lower it if they want to attract students in tough times. Seems simple enough to me :shrug:

Why would u lower it Stevie? It is better to keep the country stupid. The neo-con way. When the Tea party gets support and the OWS gets griefs that just shows u how perfect the system is for neo-cons to get their agenda down easily. Here is a nice story. MY girls kid and his girlfriend both are struggling to get their money (school loans). MY girls kid just got penalized 5 points on his grade because he can't get his school loan sent to him. They finally released the money yesterday. Same thing with his girlfriend. Her school was threatening to make her sit out a semester. She almost had too. Both of these kids are taking tough as nuts courses and have to be all stress out about this bullshit instead of worrying about their classes. Their are a lot of students fighting about this at OWS but if u hear it from that handjob Weasel u would think the kids have the fall off and are there for attention. Just like he was told by Fox News and Limbaugh.

 

[Trampled Underfoot]

could not agree more :0074

I just paid for my classes up front :shrug:

I know you thought there was really candy in here, didn't you hedgy?
:fit01:

 

[ssd]

Honestly, Sponge. Sometimes I think you just vomit whatever pops into your head onto the screen.

Neo-cons trying to keep the country stupid?

The education system, in general, iis populated with people of a more liberal mindset.

 

[Trampled Underfoot]

Honestly, Sponge. Sometimes I think you just vomit whatever pops into your head onto the screen.

Neo-cons trying to keep the country stupid?

The education system, in general, iis populated with people of a more liberal mindset.

He is right when it comes to the overall goal of education in this country. IMO it's not necessarily a left or right issue. It's a rich versus poor issue.

 

[ssd]

so, hedge said yesterday that most billionaires are liberal and today, you are saying most rich are neo-cons?

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Agree 100% about tuition. Let them lower it if they want to attract students in tough times. Seems simple enough to me :shrug:

Stevie
You sure have been getting a lot sharper on issues lately. You haven't been taking any courses in logic this past year?
You been making an awful lot of sense to me.
:0074

--continuing SSD trend of thought-

Exactly why has--

Tuition: In 1988, the average tuition and fees for a four-year public university rang in at about $2,800, adjusted for inflation. By 2008, that number had climbed about 130% to roughly $6,500 a year -- and that doesn't include books or room and board.

http://money.cnn.com/2011/06/13/news/economy/college_tuition_middle_class/index.htm

--as noted in previous thread--don't think this is helping matters
http://www.madjacksports.com/forum/showthread.php?t=459412

Two lobbyists with no prior teaching experience were allowed to count their years as union employees toward a state teacher pension once they served a single day of subbing in 2007, a Tribune/WGN-TV investigation has found.

Preckwinkle's one day of subbing qualified him to become a participant in the state teachers pension fund, allowing him to pick up 16 years of previous union work and nearly five more years since he joined. He's 59, and at age 60 he'll be eligible for a state pension based on the four-highest consecutive years of his last 10 years of work.
His paycheck fluctuates as a union lobbyist, but pension records show his earnings in the last school year were at least $245,000. Based on his salary history so far, he could earn a pension of about $108,000 a year, more than double what the average teacher receives

 

[PRO190]

Why would u lower it Stevie? It is better to keep the country stupid? The neo-con way. When the Tea party gets support and the OWS gets griefs that just shows u how perfect the system is for neo-cons to get their agenda down easily.

So if you Graduate College that Ensures you are Not Stupid...
Hmm...Look Around.... A Lot of Stupid Graduates ..




NOTE 1 : Obviously I was an Exception due to my Vast Skills and Accomplishments!! :0008 .. :0003

 

[The Sponge]

So if you Graduate College that Ensures you are Not Stupid...
Hmm...Look Around.... A Lot of Stupid Graduates ..




NOTE 1 : Obviously I was an Exception due to my Vast Skills and Accomplishments!! :0008 .. :0003

u might be the dumbest of the dumb and that is one heck of an accomplishment around here

 

[Trampled Underfoot]

So if you Graduate College that Ensures you are Not Stupid...
Hmm...Look Around.... A Lot of Stupid Graduates ..




NOTE 1 : Obviously I was an Exception due to my Vast Skills and Accomplishments!! :0008 .. :0003

u might be the dumbest of the dumb and that is one heck of an accomplishment around here

I don't think anyone here would debate that fact. :mj07: