Well I wasn;t trying to be argumenative. I was just saying that Reyes really screwed up. Even though Hinojosa was looking for a way out, Reyes gave it to him. That shot was pretty bad. I was very surprised that Reyes wasn't DQ'ed to be honest. Regardless, I am glad it turned out OK for you guys.
There Is Nothing More Aggravating....
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Well the fights are on HBO right now if u care to throw up again. I was bored and almost tailed u guys and glad i didnt cause i just got over a virus. Sometimes getting robbed feel worse then losing.
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Between the Reyes debacle Friday night and lil pansy Cintron on Saturday night, I really think I have seen it all.
The fight last night RESTARTING after a KO has to take the cake for me. That no balls having ref allowed crybaby Cintron to create a situation that didn't exist.
i watched the fight again (I obviously like torture) and I am even more furious with the 7th round.
Yes the judging was an atrocity, but it never should have gotten that far. Cintron was counted out. End of story.
If he was so sure it was a headbutt, why didn't he get up at the count of 6....7.....8....9.......?
You can still argue standing. He could have whined his case on his feet.
I'll tell you why. Dude was shook up and, even at 10, was a little bit shaky upon standing.
He's a liar and a phony and he got really lucky with that inept referee.
and to top it all off, there is an unbelievable amount of time between the knockdown and the restart. any dizziness Cintron had in that big empty head of his was gone by then. Very unfair to Martinez.
Just got to move on to next week. I know we have all been there. Very Very irritating, unexpected scenario.
The fight last night RESTARTING after a KO has to take the cake for me. That no balls having ref allowed crybaby Cintron to create a situation that didn't exist.
i watched the fight again (I obviously like torture) and I am even more furious with the 7th round.
Yes the judging was an atrocity, but it never should have gotten that far. Cintron was counted out. End of story.
If he was so sure it was a headbutt, why didn't he get up at the count of 6....7.....8....9.......?
You can still argue standing. He could have whined his case on his feet.
I'll tell you why. Dude was shook up and, even at 10, was a little bit shaky upon standing.
He's a liar and a phony and he got really lucky with that inept referee.
and to top it all off, there is an unbelievable amount of time between the knockdown and the restart. any dizziness Cintron had in that big empty head of his was gone by then. Very unfair to Martinez.
Just got to move on to next week. I know we have all been there. Very Very irritating, unexpected scenario.
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another point by a poster at over at the maxboxing boards:
"Cintron's "ten count" was a joke.
Who cares if his knee was a millimeter off the ring floor? Dude was still down at that ridiculously long paused count of 10.
You could've squeezed another 10 seconds in between the pause the ref made between the 9 and 10.
Ive always thought that 'ten'= fight over
Guess I was mistaken
Ridiculous."
OK....sorry guys...I'm done now....f Kermit Cintron.
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"Cintron's "ten count" was a joke.
Who cares if his knee was a millimeter off the ring floor? Dude was still down at that ridiculously long paused count of 10.
You could've squeezed another 10 seconds in between the pause the ref made between the 9 and 10.
Ive always thought that 'ten'= fight over
Guess I was mistaken
Ridiculous."
OK....sorry guys...I'm done now....f Kermit Cintron.
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Well GK- it could have been a win for Cintron. I'd hate to think what would have happened to your plasma screen then :scared
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Can you imagine?
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I definitely need to have some perspective - a draw is the lesser of two wrongs. The other choice, you are correct punch, would have left me covered in plasma glass
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at least I can play the money again next week
sometimes with these controversial matches, fightnews releases the scorecards
I am VERY curious which rounds the last two judges gave to Cintron
guess we'll never know
diego sanchez loses saturday in england,i want one of you to contact my attorney to make sure that i`m cremated and not buried...
i don`t trust my family...they don`t like the idea...
i don`t trust my family...they don`t like the idea...
that's a good idea. your bookies could dig out your corpse and sell your organs to get their money back. setting yourself on fire is a nice final "screw you" to the books.
Sorry you lost but this is some classic stuff.:mj07:
I think when you were watching the fight on Valentine's Day might have ruined it to begin with.
Hi Ghost
I got the judges' round-by-round scores this morning (Monday).
Judge Ged O'Connor gave Cintron rounds 2, 4, 5, 6, 9 and 10.
Judge Peter Trematerra had Cintron winning rounds 1, 2, 5, 6, 9 and 10.
Judge Tommy Kaczmarek had Cintron winning the second, ninth and 10th.
I gave Cintron rounds 2, 6, 9 and 10.
O'Connor and Trematerra basically saw the same fight (and saw it wrongly). If O'Connor had not blown the fourth round by giving it to Cintron (O'Connor was on his own in that round), then Martinez would have won the fight -- on a too-close decision, but still a win.
One totally blown round by one judge in a 12-round fight is sometimes all it takes between a fighter getting a win or having to settle for a draw, or, worse yet, actually losing the fight.
I got the judges' round-by-round scores this morning (Monday).
Judge Ged O'Connor gave Cintron rounds 2, 4, 5, 6, 9 and 10.
Judge Peter Trematerra had Cintron winning rounds 1, 2, 5, 6, 9 and 10.
Judge Tommy Kaczmarek had Cintron winning the second, ninth and 10th.
I gave Cintron rounds 2, 6, 9 and 10.
O'Connor and Trematerra basically saw the same fight (and saw it wrongly). If O'Connor had not blown the fourth round by giving it to Cintron (O'Connor was on his own in that round), then Martinez would have won the fight -- on a too-close decision, but still a win.
One totally blown round by one judge in a 12-round fight is sometimes all it takes between a fighter getting a win or having to settle for a draw, or, worse yet, actually losing the fight.
i`ll have to watch again...twice wasn`t enough.....cintron easily missed missed 80% of his punches(and i`m being kind)......
what i think is partially to blame for this(other than homerism with a possible side of blatant corruption)were the unfair expectations placed on martinez after the bunema beatdown...
i honestly think that many people expected martinez to dominate cintron from bell to bell.....and i think when it took a boxer like martinez a few rounds to figure out cintron....and then took his foot off the pedal after the stoppage and restart..expectations weren`t met immediately(that`s how things are in america today...immediate gratification is a necessity)...seemed like the judges decided that anything other than domination by martinez was a rationale for giving cintron rounds that he didn`t deserve....
he took a beating...and in the 11th and 12th he was in survival mode....he was being taunted...
i personally believe there was more to it than just expectations not being met....but i`m trying to give the benefit of the doubt...
cintron was beaten...convincingly...read any boxing blog on the net...we aren`t all idiots...and we don`t have to make excuses or placate anyone...
what i think is partially to blame for this(other than homerism with a possible side of blatant corruption)were the unfair expectations placed on martinez after the bunema beatdown...
i honestly think that many people expected martinez to dominate cintron from bell to bell.....and i think when it took a boxer like martinez a few rounds to figure out cintron....and then took his foot off the pedal after the stoppage and restart..expectations weren`t met immediately(that`s how things are in america today...immediate gratification is a necessity)...seemed like the judges decided that anything other than domination by martinez was a rationale for giving cintron rounds that he didn`t deserve....
he took a beating...and in the 11th and 12th he was in survival mode....he was being taunted...
i personally believe there was more to it than just expectations not being met....but i`m trying to give the benefit of the doubt...
cintron was beaten...convincingly...read any boxing blog on the net...we aren`t all idiots...and we don`t have to make excuses or placate anyone...
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btw..that`s not intended for graham..graham`s well respected and one of the few boxing writer`s and commentators that has the stones to call a spade a spade,imo...
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Really appreciate you posting this info Graham. I personally gave Cintron rounds 2, 6, and 10. I can see your reasoning for giving him round 9.
I can MAYBE (begrudgingly) give Cintron round 1.
But giving him 4 AND 5 to me is ridiculous. Giving Cintron every (and I MEAN EVERY) benefit of the doubt, I still only come up with 5 rounds. He still loses 7 to 5.
It would be IMPOSSIBLE for me to score this fight a draw. And it should have been impossible for the two blind mice, O'Connor and Trematerra.
Regardless, 95% of the articles I have read have called this a robbery. It was clear, to most ringside press, that the person controlling the action, dictating the pace, and imposing himself most effectively = Sergio Martinez.
The judging, although horrible, was not the worst part of the match. The break that Cintron got in between the "KO" and the start of the 8th round was THE WORST. Totally took away any advantage the opponent had earned.
Was it a pretty fight to watch - hell no.
Was there a clear and definitive winner - yes.
Unfortunately he was not rewarded appropriately.
On to Pavlik, Cotto, Gamboa, Duddy, and all the other fights this weekend.
Cheers.
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