This will get interesting--

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Can't find it on news souces YET--not even Drudge but apparently Ed Kennedys brother in law who wasbeing prosecuted for ripping bank off for 6 million agreed to wire for reduced sentence and FBI has guy on tape from Clinton camp that has just pleaded quilty and looking at jail time himself implicating more Clinton corruption--this could get good before its over.

Was it Stevie who said this admin might go down as most corrupt? :mj07:

How many cabinet members in this admin have been indicted or procecuted---plead quitly ect.

How many business partners have been jailed and convicted.

Has this sitting pres been impeached-disbarred-convicted of felony?

--and wait till his term is over we'll do comparison on pardons of felons--and pardons for cash.

Hell theres been more Clinton people continuing to be indicted currently than this admin.

 

[ocelot]

Was the story about the religious conservative REPUBLICAN mayor of Spokane in the Dredge Report? You know, the one about how he was using his political office to help lure teenage boys into making GAY LOVE with him?

:mj07: :scared

 

[djv]

This guy is a Kennedy. And he ran a fund raiser. Does not seem to bad yet. Unless he kept some of the money. Don't see where that has anything to do with Bill. However with the rights fear of Hillary. This baby will get milked as far as possible.
I thought the story about over 60 rounds of ammo fired at a guy Without a weapon was more interesting. Heck a couple of the houses there even took a few rounds. I wonder what they would be saying if some young child would have gotten killed. There reasoning. They believed he had shot a policeman. Might be a good idea to have more facts before over 60 rounds are let loose in someones neighbor hood. How about when the SUV was stopped you shoot out the tires. Have we gone nuts?
Correction more then 90 rounds were fired.

 

[ocelot]

Its Clinton's fault!

 

[StevieD]

Its Clinton's fault!

Isn't everything! :mj07:

 

[smurphy]

Both administrations corrupt. One did not lead us down a bankrupt path of bad strategy though.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

I will say I don't put much weight on Hilliary's campaign fundraiser
pleading guilty and even if he get jail time I don't consider that a biggie--no worse than having 12 men on field and being caught-politics is politics and both sides guilty as hell--however this Kennedy guy was wired and apparently went into details about several other things.Not much out yet as FBI tapes are supposed to be sealed but it will leak. I do know there is some very bad blood between the Kennedy folks and Clinton folks right now and some very nervous people---I am sure if shoe was on other foot they could get some dirt on either party--but these two party's should be particullarily interesting.

 

[Marco]

As smurphy already touched on.....

Whatever Clinton did will never stand in comparison to the truth behind the good ole' boys network currently in office....if the truth ever totally comes out....

1600 dead and $200+ billion up in smoke, no end in sight, no plan to begin with, and Halliburton and Carlyle in bed with the politicians.....

Clinton didn't get anywhere near the numbers in the last paragraph.....most Bushie backers just fall back on "but Clinton got a blowjob" when they talk about Clinton and corruption, and ignore the numbers that are absolutely burying our grandkids.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

"1600 dead and $200+ billion up in smoke, no end in sight, no plan to begin with, and Halliburton and Carlyle in bed with the politicians....."

Yep I guess you prefer terrorist running rampant while someone looks the other way. You'd rather have Americans die in Embassy and Boat bombings not to mention 911--just don't let them die in battle protacting us.

 

[djv]

Do you really believe the terrorist are all gone. And 200 billion is not the end. Im guessing were in Iraq another 2 maybe 3 years. Hell they can't even come close to taking care of there selfs. Wow what we could have used that 200 billion here at home for. Chit the terrorist got us so jumpy. A little plane got within 5 miles of the white house and they went nuts in D C.

 

[gardenweasel]

honesty may be the best policy...... but it's important to remember that apparently, by elimination, dishonesty is the second-best policy.......

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

No not all the terrorist are gone--but the big boys are going down at record pace--we don't have the taliban opening training terrorist--Hussein is out of the picture and open training or building of wmds there not a factor anymore--no prob from Lybia--Pakistan working with us not against us--ditto Saudi--Lebenon kicking Iran out--North Korea not fatten by U.S. contributions so they use most their GDP for weapons---no all the terrorists are not gone and never will be but do you like their situation better now or before?
----and their resort to targeting Muslim women and children now has got many of them starting to think just a little bit and definately has answered the question for the Iraqi population that had any question before on who is for them and whose against them.

 

[kosar]

Hussein is out of the picture and open training or building of wmds there not a factor

Those things weren't a factor to begin with. But now we have a breeding ground of terrorists in Iraq. Is that really progress?

anymore--no prob from Lybia--Pakistan working with us not against us--ditto Saudi-

I can buy Libya, but the jury is out on Pakistan and DEFINITELY on Saudi Arabia.

Lebenon kicking Iran out

Lebanon kicked Syria out. Who cares? Does that somehow make you feel safer?

--North Korea not fatten by U.S. contributions so they use most their GDP for weapons

LOL- jeez. If you think this admin has improved the situation in NK, you are really out there.

2002- IAEA inspectors on the ground in NK. All fuel rods sealed. Cameras in all facilities. NK still a part of the Nuc non-proliferation agreement.

Even though they had done nothing special to earn W's wrath, they get lumped into an 'axis of evil' on a humanitarian basis. W publically states this as he prepares to stretch our forces with a stupid invasion of Iraq. Real smart to go out of your way to stir up NK at this time.


2003-Inspectors kicked out. Seals broken. Cameras taken out. NK withdraws from the Nuc non-prolif agreement.

2005-All 8000 fuel rods removed. Reprocessing will begin shortly, most likely. Test of nuke predicted to take place soon.

Yeah, thank God that George is protecting us.

 

[djv]

The terrorist are bleeding us. There so happy we came to Iraq.
They like us while we P the money away there. And not use it here at home to protect America. We worry about the wrong things. And forget little things like our borders. And NK loves G W. Every since he called them evil. That was good negotiations.
Just the opening they wanted to go a head with there program. We forget what happen with Germany after WW 1. You take someones ability to survive away. And you can create a monster.
Seems a stretch. But remember how Hitler used all that and the fact no one would talk with him to attack half the world.

 

[Marco]

"Yep. I guess you prefer terrorist running rampant while someone looks the other way."

Fighting a bunch of nationalists in Iraq is doing nothing to make anybody safer.....where the hell is OBL at?

Fight all the flagwaving unabombers in Iraq, if you don't guard the border and filter out the actual threats that actual terrorists pose, then you're looking at hauling another skyscraper off to the landfill.........reality has changed since 9/11, security has to be amped up in this country regardless how many American troops and how many billions we want to dump in a bonfire in Iraq.

Killing a few of the Iraqi homies does nothing to keep the guys like McVeigh and the hijackers of 9/11 down. We spent 10 years in Vietnam killing off leadership and still had our hands full at the end of war with enemy combatants willing to die, so don't even begin to tell me that somehow thier ranks are getting thin and depleted in Iraq.

 

[gardenweasel]

those "nationalists" are mostly from saudi arabia,syria and parts unknown......

and they are killing mostly iraqis...

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

"LOL- jeez. If you think this admin has improved the situation in NK, you are really out there.

If you think we were better off with Taliban running Afgan--Hussein running Iraq--and the U.S. footing the bill for oil and food for NK on the word of a pathalogical lier to a pathologocal lier--Where would that put you--- if I'm really out there????

 

[StevieD]

Lets see, Clinton Presiden NK has no nuclear missles. Bush President, they do. Just keeping it fair and balanced.

 

[AR182]

stevied quote:"Lets see, Clinton Presiden NK has no nuclear missles. Bush President, they do. Just keeping it fair and balanced."

stevie, man.....you can't be serious with this can you ?

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Yep He's serious---
He forgets what enabled them to come up with money to build em.

or how about ---
"The terrorist are bleeding us. There so happy we came to Iraq."

Yep they are tickeled pink Bush is in office and sure glad Clinton is out. They love democracy ---love being confined to caves over opening training--they love all their comrades being killed--they love other countries joining in fight.

Some look at Iraq as breeding ground for terrorist--I prefer to think of it as a killing ground of terrorist--and from look of elections there I believe it is now a breeding ground for democracy and freedom.
I certainly prefer taking it to them there or anywhere then having them hit our embassies-ships and homeland with little or no retaliation.