Thoughts on Powerful Pac10 Football Teams

[Blackman]

Blackman you should participate as well. I enjoy reading your posts.

To be honest with you Scott the Pac Ten is by far my weakest subject --- and it shows by my very poor record over the past few years when I bet PacTen games. This pretty much sums up my PacTen knowledge --- I was looking over my log of last years plays and noticed I bet on USC once, and naturally, California was the opponent ;142loser: :banghead: Also lost a nice chunk when I thought there was no way UCLA would lose to Stanford last year.

But seriously here is my very east coast view on the Pac 10 --- it's an offensive first league that is extremely competitive , which makes it tough to bet on at times and why I think people view it as weak. Besides for USC as of late, who has been the class of the conference, and Arizona, who should improve but was borderline a joke last year, parity is the theme of this league. Washington, Wash St, Oregon, Oregon St, UCLA and CAL are all teams off the top of my head that would play competive games vs each other each and every week. This is why the records are mediocre for a lot of them, and why the teams at the top tier of the Pac Ten seem so beatable. The level of competition is so that each team has more than a fighting chance of winning each time they take the field.

I have so much trouble comparing the SEC to the Pac Ten and picking a definitive "winner." Part of me can't overlook the solid teams that LSU, Florida, Georgia put out every year, but I do like the consistent depth of the Pac Ten. There are stats that support both sides, and honestly I think the title of best conference can shift from the south to the west and back again each year. I know this is a wish-washy answer but this is one time that it is tough to take a side. I will say this though, not until Nebraska gets back into the picture as an elite team will I put the Big XII in the same breathe as the SEC and Pac Ten. Too many piss poor teams in the Big XII to put them on that level.

Edit** In my haste I forgot to even mention the ACC, who picked up the two beasts of the east. I don't think anyone has to argue that they are deserving of being mentioned as the top conference in the nation and might just hold the crown this year.

 

[Kdogg21]

'I believe you can use NC's to support your claim on superior conferences but it holds very little weight. Maybe if there was a playoff system, then NC's would carry more weight. '
'

well yea dumb ass, take your own advice and use it for USC..

and all your arguments are about SOS, that is still not the point. Where does SOS get you in this BCS?? Basically no where. I could care less if USC and the PAC 10 had the toughest schedule of the century. Maybe if they were smart, they would maybe play some less tougher oppts, if they know there sched is gonna be so brutal. Does the SEC and Big 12 have some weak scheds, yea i believe in a way they do, but they know they have to go through most of the schools in there conference which are usally ranked in the top 25.

SOS is not going to win you any championships and no pity from anybody else.

 

[Master Capper]

My Ranking's of the current Conferences


1. SEC
2. Big Twelve
3. Big 10
4. ACC
5. PAC 10
6. Big East
7. MWC
8. Conf USA
9. MAC
10. WAC
11. SunBelt

From top to bottom the PAC 10 does not come close to the SEC, Big 12 or Big 10! You could argue that the PAC 10 is better than the ACC but if you look at the teams in each league from top to bottom they dont compare, for example the number one teams in both leagues USC and Miami you could say it's a wash but I would have to side with the Canes as they have been a consistent winner for over a decade. If you look at these teams over a 5 year period the ACC top to bottom is alot stronger than the Pac 10 if you matchup team by team comparable to their strength in the conf:


Miami-USC (Miami)
FSU-Oreg (FSU)
VA TEch-UCLA (VaTech)
Maryland-Wash (Mary)
NC St-Oreg St (NCST)
GEoTech-Wash St (tie)
UVA-Cal (UVA)
Clemson-ASU (ASU)
Wake-Stan (WAKE)
UNC or Duke-Zona (UNC or Duke)

You could nearly make the same argument for the Mountain West being comparable in depth to the PAC 10

CSU-USC (USC)
UTAH-Oreg ( I would take Utah on a neutral field)
A Force-UCLA (toss up)
BYU-Wash (Wash)
NMex-OregSt (toss up)
SDSU-WSU (WSU)
UNLV-Cal (Cal)
Wyo-ASU (ASU)

whereas a conf such as the Big 12 would own the Pac 10
Okl-USC (Okl)
Tex-Oreg (tex)
Neb-UCLA (neb)
Kan St-Wash (ksu)
Mizzou-Oregst (Mizzou)
OkieSt-WSU (toss up)
Col-Cal (col)
TxTech-ASU (Tech)
TxAM-Stan (AM)
Kan or IWst-Zona (kan or IWst)

 

[Scott4USC]

Master Capper I was ready to completely blast you but then I looked over your post and realized these are your opinions of the conference strengths for next season and only next season. Am I right? If these are your conference strengths for the last 10 years, then be prepared to be blasted! But you said rankings of current conferences. So now I will look it over and offer my opinion where we agree or disagree.

DISCLAIMER: YOU CANNOT COMPARE THE PAC 10 with 12 team conference the way you did. It is not fair to the Pac 10. 10-teams to 12 teams. A more fair comparison would be comparing the top 5 from Pac 10 to top 5 of Big 12/SEC/ACC and bottom 5 of Pac 10 to bottom 5 of Big12/SEC/ACC. You have to agree that is the fairest way.

That is what seperates the Pac 10 from other conferences. Compare apples to apples, Last place team in Pac 10 to last place team in other conferences. We gotta be fair and not give advantage to other conferences. However I partipated in your flawed comparison which I enjoyed.

Your Comparisons of the ACC to Pac 10 for next season My opinion is in red where I disagree.

Miami-USC (Miami)
Are you serious? No way would I have Miami ahead of USC next season. Especially with USC having such a huge coaching advantage. I don't even think this is debatable. Miami will be very good this season but USC is hands down the favorite to win the National Title and that was without Mike Williams. Let me fill you in, it is now a high prob. Williams will be playing for USC next season!
FSU-Oreg (FSU)
VA TEch-UCLA (VaTech)
Maryland-Wash (Mary)
NC St-Oreg St (NCST)
I think I would have Oregon St. ahead of NC St.
GEoTech-Wash St (tie)
UVA-Cal (UVA)
No way would I have UVA ahead of CAL. What are you thinking? Cal will be very good next season. This pick of yours made me laugh. Maybe you can justify it somehow.
Clemson-ASU (ASU)
Wake-Stan (WAKE)
I would say TIE or maybe huge question mark. It is pretty hard to compare these 2 teams. Stanford was VERY young last year and had new QB. They actually could be good this season (suprise team). Wake never has been very good while Stanford has had success. I am not real familiar with Wake.
UNC or Duke-Zona (UNC or Duke)
Arizona like Stanford was young last season and had horrible coach. Stoops easily could turn Arizona around next year into a 3-4 win team. I think this is a TIE or huge question mark. I am not very familiar with UNC or Duke.

Your Comparisons of the M-West to Pac 10 for next season My opinion is in red where I disagree.

CSU-USC (USC)
UTAH-Oreg ( I would take Utah on a neutral field)
Tough choice. But I would have to side with Oregon on this one but you can have good argument with Utah. Oregon suppose to be good next season and Belotti is a proven winner. Remember, Oregon plays in Pac 10 while Utah plays in M-West.
A Force-UCLA (toss up)
You might be right a toss-up but last season UCLA was young and new coach. My money would be on UCLA over Air Force if I had this game a PK. UCLA has weak DL and Air Force great rushing team so AF might be tough opponent. UCLA much better athletes. UCLA could be good next season or average. Nobody knows.
BYU-Wash (Wash)
NMex-OregSt (toss up)
I am going to be immature and rude and call you STUPID for this pick. What are you thinking? OSU smoked NMex last year and OSU is gonna be pretty good this upcoming season. No way would I hve NMex ahead of OSU. Nothing justify's this pick. OSU returns a lot of talent despite losing Jackson.
SDSU-WSU (WSU)
UNLV-Cal (Cal)
Wyo-ASU (ASU)

Your Comparisons of the Big 12 to Pac 10 for next season My opinion is in red where I disagree. YOU CONVENIENTLY LEFT OUT BAYLOR!!!

Okl-USC (Okl)
Same reasons for USC and Miami, if you going to rank one ahead of the other, you gotta side with USC. I would say TIE! No way I have OU ahead of USC, especially with the coaching meltdown at the end of last season for OU and losing to the 2 best opponents OU faced last season. USC slight edge or tie. No way OU ahead of USC.
Tex-Oreg (tex)
Neb-UCLA (neb)
Why? Slight edge to UCLA or nothing. Nebraska is learning complete new offense and it is the West Coast. It does not work in college because it takes at least 3 years to master. I would say TIE. If UCLA DL and OL produce then edge to UCLA. Huge question mark for UCLA but I know Nebraska won't be good.
Kan St-Wash (ksu)
Mizzou-Oregst (Mizzou)
TOUGH choice but I agree with slight edge to Mizzou
OkieSt-WSU (toss up)
I would put WSU ahead. Both teams lose a lot of talent from last season but WSU plays solid defense. WSU hands down would be my pick.
Col-Cal (col)
What are you smoking? WHAT ARE YOU SMOKING? You are losing credibility with this pick. PLEASE for the love of God, justify this pick. If CAL was PK vs CO I would bet $10,000 on this game without hesitation.
TxTech-ASU (Tech)
Tough matchup. I would put it at TIE. Walter is senior next season so maybe slight edge to ASU. ASU will be question mark next year.
TxAM-Stan (AM)
I would put it at TIE
Kan or IWst-Zona (kan or IWst)
Kansas ahead of Zona but Zona ahead of Iowa St. and Baylor (who you conveniently left off)

I think your statements about the Pac 10 were harsh and not right. You made at least 2 bogus comparisons. You either don't follow west coast football or you have clear bias against the Pac 10. I follow all the conferences and I have easy time doing so since I live on west coast and have gameday pass. As I stated in the disclaimer, this is not a fair way to compare the conferences. Compare best vs best and worst vs worst.

I look forward to your reply MC!!!!!

 

[Scott4USC]

Sporting News College Football

Best Conferences Rankings-

ACC #1
SEC #2
Pac 10 #3
Big 12 #4
Big 10 #5
Big East #6

 

[Mr Hockey]

Personally as long as Mike Riley is coaching at Oregon St, I would have NC State over them. I don't respect his abilities as the head man there.

 

[Master Capper]

Scott:

You really need to take a step back and release some of your myopic garbage that is clouding your judgement, your complete bias opinion in regards to the Pac 10 is insane! I dont care if you want to take teams as they are today or go back ten years the Pac 10 today nor in the past 10 years has been one of the top three leagues! Your comments regarding Miami and USC made me chuckle, no team has produced more NFL talent in the past ten yers than Miami, how quickly you forget that USC was a down trodden team for nearly twenty years!

1. Cal-UVA, you must not get up early enough to follow much of the east coast action or you would know that Al Groh has been building a solid team at UVA for the past few seasons and has brought in three straight awesome recruiting classes in a row! Yeah Cal has improved the past few years but this is the same team that was giving up nearly 50 points a game two years ago and they have yet to win a big game on the road in the past two years.

2. Wake-Stanford, Stanford would never contain the athletes that Wake can spread the field with on offense and the Cardinals defense is always soft! As far as Wake not being very good, well they have went to a bowl and they play hard nosed football something that Stanford could not handle!

3. UNC-Duke-Zona-What does young have to with anything? Wasn't Zona a experienced team two years ago and tanked to like a 4-8 record? Your talking about a team that lost to Purdue by over 50 points but you said Wake wasnt very good they lost to Purdue by 3!

4. Utah-Oreg
What are you trying to infer that I should remember that Oreg plays in the Pac 10 and Utah plays in the MWC? Utah beat both Oreg and Cal last year and has nearly their whole team back this year! This is another case of your myopic outlook toward the Pac 10, two of the teams that you claim are the better teams in the Pac 10 lost outright to the Utes!

5. OSU-NMEX
OSU has one of the worst coaches in college football!

6. OKL-USC
Coaching meltdown? Stoops is one of the best in the business and ran into a buzzsaw against LSU a team that was basically playing a home game! USC had the same advantage as they played a Michigan team at home that played their best game of the year against OSU and had nothing more to play for.

7. Neb-UCLA
I wouldnt give UCLA a slight edge towards any of the top 6 Big 12 teams, what have they done to deserve any lean? The Bruins had one of the worst offenses in the country and Nebraska would maul them in the interior line.

8.Cal-Col
Again, whom has Cal beat outside of Berkley that was any good and dont tell me Va Tech, they had shut the season down before Thanksgiving! If Cal couldnt stop Warfield from running on them against Utah then theres no way they stop the slew of backs that Colorado has in their stable. The Buffs have a boatload of talent but have not been able to keep their QB's healthy for a couple of years. Before you start hyping Cal being all that remember that this team has a 6-17 record in their past 23 road games and most of these games were against average to sub 500 teams!


As far as myself being bias towards the Pac 10 thats totally untrue and if I had to pick a conf that I like the best I would probably side with the Mid American Conf. You are the one whom is totally out of touch with reality and your statements that you have made in numerous threads always have the same rantings about either USC or the Pac 10. No one that follows football teams in the Big 12, Big 10 or SEC are going to agree with the comments that you make about how great the Pac 10 is because they see first hand that their are too many weak sisters in the Pac 10. No way USC would come close to going 10-1 in the SEC, those teams on a weekly basis face savage competition with the lone break coming when you play Vandy and recently Miss State. Whereas in the Pac 10 you get breaks from severe competition, sort of reminds me of when Nebraska was rolling in the Big 12 they had maybe 3 games tops all year that were tough games and then they had cannon fodder, just like USC! USC adds Arkansas in 05 and plays Arkie on the road in 06 and gets Nebraska in 06 and both of those programs should be strong so we shall see how long your illusionary dynasty lasts!

 

[Scott4USC]

Master Capper

Thanks for explaining your team comparisons. I appreciate it and thought you brought up "some" good points. You did not comment on how unfair and flawed your comparisons were. You have to compare the top 5 and bottom 5 of each conference. An example of your your bias against the Pac 10.

CAL vs UVA

UVA would have hard time beating Cal. I def. will take Rogers (QB) and Tedford as head coach if these 2 teams faced. UVA is doing some good things but they are not better than CAL and I watched 3 of their games last season. Don't they lose their QB???? That is funny. You take UVA after losing their QB to beat CAL who has one of the best QB's in the nation.

Wake-Stanford

Ok, I think you might have convinced me on this pick. Wake might be the better team. I did say I was not familiar with Wake and I do not feel like researching them. Stanford has been a much better program the last 10 years and since Stanford was so young last season I figured they be slightly better or tie with Wake.

UNC-Duke-Zona-
Zona was coached by Mack Brown. When he left the team Zona immediately started playing competitive ball and even pulled out an upset (very common in the Pac 10). Zona was more or a poor product because of their head coach. Coaching in college is a huge deal. Stoops might be a great coach, and if he is, then Zona will be at least competitive next season. I do not know so much about UNC, but I am confident Zona would beat Duke. UNC vs Zona might be tie, but I dunno.

Utah-Oreg

Again, I AM TALKING ABOUT THIS UPCOMING SEASON!!!!!!!!! Oregon is expected to be very good this season. Utah is too. Cal and Oregon were not suppose to be very strong last season and both games were played @Utah. CAL was breaking in a new QB and had a VERY VERY tough OOC schedule and played 5 consecutive weeks. Guess you missed all that. Again, I am talking about next season and my projections. I think Oregon will be a better team. Utah could go 12-0 next year, nobody knows how good they really are because they don't play anybody very good. My money would be on Oregon vs Utah but very small bet! But Utah could be the better team so I cannot say your opinion is wrong here.

OSU-NMEX

That was a stupid reason. Oregon St. is better team despite their coaching staff if you think they are so poor. Riley had no trouble giving NMEX an ass whooping in last years bowl game and I cashed on that baby. Thanks to people like you who downplay the Pac 10. OSU also has an experienced QB returning (although he throws ton of INT's) Huge HUGE talent difference between both teams.

OKL-USC

I agree Stoops is one of the best in the business but I don't think USC has better coaching staff than OU. I also think USC has more talent than OU and much more balanced team. I would say it is a TIE though between the 2 teams.

Neb-UCLA

You say that Nebraska is a top 6 team in the Big 12 confernce (12 teams) yet I don't think Nebraska would be a top 6 team in the the Pac 10 conference (10 teams). Big 12 was very very bad last season.

Cal-Col

Again you are putting too much emphasis into last season. CAL was breaking in new QB and Tedford is turning around the program. This year Cal is expected to be good, not last year. Geez, you keep forgetting the argument. Just like last year was suppose to be rebuilding year for USC, this is the year USC is expected to produce. That is why I laugh when you think COL will be better than CAL. COL would not scare me at all. USC was +3 vs CO 2 years ago and USC won 40-3. I cashed in big because people were saying the exact same things you are saying about CAL. It simply is not true. People said same things about USC vs Iowa 2 years ago, USC vs Michigan, etc.... People just don't get it but I hope it stays that way so I can continue to cash in.

 

[Scott4USC]

Master Capper

I do have disagreements about the other matierial you wrote in your post. You tout the SEC/BIG 12 as being such tough conferences. I find it very funny that not one team from those 2 conferences have played a top 15 SOS in the 90's and 2000's combined. Why? SEC and Big 12 so tough, shouldn't those teams SOS be high as well? You are tricked into thinking they are superior conferences because so many teams have high number of wins and are ranked. They are ranked because virtually every teams starts out 3-0 or 4-0 due to OOC play.
Why does the Pac 10 have 90% of their conference ranked in the top 15 in terms of SOS????? Pac 10 suppose to be weak in your opinion right? You unfortunately have been duped into thinking the Big 12 and SEC are vastly superior.

your complete bias opinion in regards to the Pac 10 is insane!

That is funny. My "garbage" are facts supporting my opinion. :142lmao:

Your comments regarding Miami and USC made me chuckle, no team has produced more NFL talent in the past ten yers than Miami, how quickly you forget that USC was a down trodden team for nearly twenty years!

All that first round talent last year got Miami where???? You were making your comparisons about next year. So what Miami has done in the last 10 years has very very little to do with what Miami will do next season. Escpecially since this year Miami will be playing mostly with Coker's recruits and I am not sold on Coker at all as a head coach. I was making a comparison between Miami and USC this coming season. Keep chuckling!!!!

No way USC would come close to going 10-1 in the SEC, those teams on a weekly basis face savage competition with the lone break coming when you play Vandy and recently Miss State.

Miss. St., Alabama, Vandy, Kentucky, South Carolina all combined for 7 wins last season in conference play. :clap: Then factor in playing 3-4 EASY OOC opponents. I count 8-9 wins right there. That should get me a top 25 ranking every year!!!!!! :142lmao:

SEC and Big 12 are top heavy conferences. Very good teams at the top but very very poor confernce outside of the top teams. I find it hilarious you say the Pac 10 is not tough 1-10. Pac 10 has had 9 different conference champions in the last 10 years. Upsets happen all the time in the Pac 10. Only 1 team has gone undefeated in Pac 10 play in the last 10 years. Teams go undefeated all the time in conference play in the Big 12 and SEC. You are clueless when you say the Pac 10 is not strong top to bottom. Pac 10 is not a top heavy conference except now with only USC. Upsets happen every week in the Pac 10 because teams 1-10 are solid. Factor in the Pac 10 playing tough OOC competition and conference play, you will not have many ranked pac 10 teams. It is all in the numbers and you have nothing to support your arguments. All you giave was your opinion and that is all. Nothing to support your opinion.

Whereas in the Pac 10 you get breaks from severe competition,

That is funny. Why does 9 out of the 10 teams in the Pac 10 have stronger strength of schedule than the entire SEC conference and Big 12 conference for the years 1990-1999 and 2000-2003????? Can't have strong SOS if you don't play severe competition. I think USC has tougher time playing in the Pac 10 and playing tough OOC opponents vs playing in the SEC and scheduling div. 2 schools. My opinion and I have support behind it.

2000-2003 Pac 10 #1 conference, SEC #2, and Big 10 #3
2000-2003 top conferences

1990-1999
Big 12, ACC, SEC, Big 10, and Pac 10 5th

 

[Master Capper]

Strength of Schedule is one of the most misleading stats in college football, but I will play along just to show how you mislead people with your statements. The following is the top 10 last year in regards to strength of schedule:



1.ND
2.FSU
3. Bama
4. Zona
5. Georgia
6. Georgia Tech
7. Florida
8. Colorado
9. South Carolina
10. Iowa State

It appears to me that only one Pac 10 team is in the top ten, whereas the SEC 4 teams in the top ten! Yet you continue to insist that they play a weak schedule!

If you want to change the data to Cumulative
1. Bama
2.Fla
3. ND
4. TX Am
5. Zona
6. Iowa State
7.BGSU
8. Ohio State
9. Kansas St
10. South Carolina
11. Nc State
12. Auburn
13. FSU
14. Miami
15. LSU

Again we have only 1 Pac 10 team yet we have 5 SEC teams but they play a weak schedule!


The Pac 10 has played the SEC a total of 101 games and has won 35 and lost 60 with 6 ties

 

[Master Capper]

Against the Big 12 Pac Ten teams have a less than faboulous 160-205-13 record!

 

[Master Capper]

Pac 10 vs Big Ten

Pac 10 242 wins
Big Ten 265 wins
Ties-14


Hopefully soon I will find a Conf that the Pac 10 has beaten maybe the Sunbelt

 

[Master Capper]

I will give the Pac 10 it's due it has fattened up on the lesser conferences and I will have to agree with Scott that yes the Pac 10 is by far the greatest Conferences throughout the land and no one can compare to the pinnacle of excellence that the confernce has achieved throughout it's glorious existence! All hail the Pac 10 and it's glorious past!


ACC (before Merger) Pac 10 38 wins ACC 33 wins
Big East- Pac 10 52 wins Big East 44
Conf USA- Pac 10 53 Conf USA 37 wins 1 tie
MAC-Pac 10 10 wins MAC 2 wins
Sun Belt-Pac 10 321 wins SunBelt 54 wins and 11 ties
MWC- Pac 10 368 wins MWC 164 wins and 13 ties
WAC-PAc 10 329 wins WAC 122 wins and 13 ties

 

[Avalanche]

Scott4USC,

Is it possible to obtain the wrath from even people as respected as Master Capper on this board? You are some piece of work. You never cease to amaze me. You can't even admit that you are obsessed with your USC Rubbers and the Pac 10 Girls Football Conference. You somehow think that since USC is now a good team (for the past 2 years) that gives you instant credibility and a license to foam from the mouth on a regular basis about how great USC and the Pac 10 Conference is.

Meanwhile, the SEC and Big 12 churn out NC contenders on a regular basis and have done so since the 1950s. You guys haven't done SQUAT since the 1970s and still haven't won an undisputed NC since the 1970s. You are a joke!!!!

MasterCapper brings 100,000,000.000 x more insight and capping ability to this forum than you EVER have. PERIOD. You provide nothing but your typical Pac 10 and USC pond moss that you regurgitate on a regular basis.

GET A LIFE and just be happy the Pac 10 is a mid major! Sheeeeeesh!

 

[Scott4USC]

Avalanche

That post was worthless and I could care less about the content in your post since it has nothing to do with what I am debating about. That is great if you are a huge fan of MC. I don't care about your personal opinion about "me" or anybody on this site. I don't care who is who on this site. I am just focused on the content in this site. If I disagree with Madjack I will tell him (and explain why) and I am confident Madjack would not mind in me doing so. So spare me the drama if I "obtained the wrath from even people as respected as Master Capper." :cursin:

Master Capper

It would have been nice if you posted what SOS you were using and where you got it. I am sure it prob. is legit, but you are showing no credibility with the data you provided. After I see the source you used, then I can reply to it. Otherwise it is merely an opinion of yours with no data supporting it.

As for SOS last year, the SEC was very strong and had a good year. I hope they had teams in the top 10. But if you take the data from the years 1990-1999 and 2000-2003 you will find ZERO SEC or Big 12 teams ranked in the top 15 in terms of SOS. You WILL find 9 teams from the Pac 10. Therefore your data has very little to do with the data I provided and no, I am not misleading anybody. My information is right there smack in front of everyone and documented.

Again, please give your data some credibility and I will reply further.

*Remember my argument is that the Big 12 and SEC is not superior to the Pac 10. That does not mean just last year. I thought ACC was #1, SEC #2, and Pac10/Big 10 tied for #3.

What my argument is based on is recent history and like it or not, my data proves my assumption correct. Nobody here on madjacks has succeeded in counter arguing the facts I have presented and having their own arguments supporting their own opinion. Oh wait, National Championships is supposed to play a "big" part in determing strength of conferences. :142lmao:

MC you are different than all of the posters here who "disagree" with me because you have supported your opinions and in these last few posts provided data (just not documented data). I enjoy interacting with you despite you thinking my posts as being "myopic garbage."

I am still looking forward to you comparing the top 5 and bottom 5 teams of the Pac 10 vs the top 5 and bottom 5 teams of the Big 12 and SEC. That is a much more fair comparison vs what you did previously.

Look forward to your reply.

 

[Avalanche]

Scott, you are a joke. You do nothing but post worthless stuff. With someone like Master Capper coming in and slamming you ought to give you an idea how many people you irritate on this board. You get it from all sides.... new people and veterans. Everyone! We're sick of hearing your Pac 10 and USC nonsense and all the horse crap associated with it. No one cares about the Pac 10 because they simply are NOT A PLAYER. They don't really count. Occasionally they're in the mix, but year in and year out they are NOT A PLAYER.

You have nothing to say about the NCs. You just dodge it and say it isn't important. That's just insane. NC's may not tell the WHOLE story, but it certainly tells PART of the story and you jokers haven't done SQUAT. You have no explanation for this and instead just to cling to your SOS and who cares about the SOS if your teams in the Pac 10 aren't even good enough to win all or most of the games.

 

[Scott4USC]

Avalanche

You have nothing to say about the NCs. You just dodge it and say it isn't important. That's just insane. NC's may not tell the WHOLE story, but it certainly tells PART of the story and you jokers haven't done SQUAT.

:142lmao:

That is funny. When did I dodge that statement? I explained why NC?s is a flawed argument in determining strength of conferences. I remember explaining it over and over to you. I also remember Mansa explaining it to you. You def. have a poor reading comprehension. Go look over the threads to get the answer to your question. Your posts continue to humor me.

sick of hearing your Pac 10 and USC nonsense and all the horse crap associated with it.

:142lmao:

That is funny too. All I see are multiple replies to my posts and numerous views. If nobody liked it, nobody would be viewing it and replying to it. Just like I ignore certain posters on here, maybe you should quit interacting with me. You obviously have nothing productive to say. Stick to the material and lay off the personal opinions. I could care less about you so please do the same for me. You don?t see my crying and posting about you. You do not get under my skin. It is sad you have not learned the art of debating and you are acting like a woman and putting too much emotion into it. :cursin:

The truth obviously hurts and you are having a hard time accepting it.

 

[mansa_musa]

Master Capper
I disagree w your order of the Pac 10 & your evaluation of some teams. First, I am not Scott & I dont want to turn this into a namecalling match! Second, I really appreciate the team previews, you have provided for the forum!

My Pac 10 order:

1 USC
2 Cal, ASU, OSU (for arguments sake of course!)
5 UCLA
6 Oregon
7 UW, WSU
9 AZ, Stanford

Now I am going to analyze the conferences top 5's:

USC/(Miami, OU, Michigan, Georgia/LSU)
I dont know what Miami team you have been watching, but they dont play very good football. All that talent withstanding, they are undisciplined & sloppy in my opinion. OU plays such inferior defenses in the Big 12 that it is hard to compare them against other confs. The fact that Tx Tech was able to put up even better #s than OU says alot to me about the defensive weakness of the Big 12. We saw what that OU offense looked like when tested -- confused & defeated! I dont think the Sooners would be able to stop more experienced SC backfield & wideouts. SC just beat Michigan w/ the senior QB. New QB equals, no luck v the Trojans! Georgia, I give the best shot! 2 seasons ago, I thought this should have been the title game! They can go talent for talent & have experience at QB. I think LSU will struggle w new QB, mainly because they struggled w sr QB last yr. Georgia & LSU D units stellar, but they dont face anything like SC in the SEC.
--adv USC over all except GA

(Cal, ASU, OSU)/(FSU, Ohio St, Texas, Georgia/LSU)
Cal, ASU & OSU all have better QBs than anybody FSU, OSU or Texas will be able to put on the field. I give the definite offensive advantages to the Pac 10 squads in any of these matchups, again w the exception of Georgia. FSU no offensive powerhouse anymore, their schemes would seem simple to Pac 10 defenses. Ohio St would be the other exception from this group. I can see their defense winning the games w very little offensive input. The #2 Pac 10 team last yr (WSU), put a whoopin' on Texas. The score was not indicative of how the Cougars physically dominated the Longhorns! Texas a poor defensive team, and always show up soft against equal competition! OSU will give LSU all they can handle early next season. Again, I think LSU will struggle to score w their new QB -- if OSU can get a lead, I think LSU will struggle trying to play from behind in their season opener! Slight lean to LSU over Cal & ASU, on rep only, cause QBs better at both the Pac 10 schools!
-- advantage Ohio St, Georgia/LSU

(Cal, ASU, OSU)/(Va Tech, Iowa, Neb, Fla/Tenn)
Still better QBs at the Pac 10 schools. Cal just beat Va Tech and would do it again next yr, a frantic late comeback made that game seem closer than it really was. Iowa loses too much on offense to think they can score w the Pac 10. Nebraska has no shot whatsoever. They couldnt eat up Mich St on the interior, but, theyre gonna do it to the Pac 10? I dont think so. I give over all nod to the SEC teams because of their defense. The best defensive conf in the country, hands down!
-- advantage Fla/Tenn

(Cal, ASU, OSU)/(Maryland, Purdue, K St, Fla/Tenn)
Same advantage to Fla/Tenn as above. Maryland, in my opinion #2 or better ACC team next yr. I really like that team. I give them the nod over my #2 group, even though I still give offensive advantage to the Pac 10. Purdue is still far removed from a Big 10 title & I dont think they could finish better than any these teams if they played in the Pac 10. K St no world beater. W/o Roberson, I would take Cal in a rematch next yr. The Golden Bears played the Wildcats better than the Sooners did.
-- advantage Maryland, Fla/Tenn

UCLA/(NC St, Mich St/Minn/Wisc, Mizzou, Ark/Ole Miss)
NC St loses the best player in the ACC from last yr. They will struggle to be anywhere near as good as they were last yr. The middle of the Big 10 not impressive to me. I would take the Bruins offensively & defensively over all 3 of those squads. Mizzou still trying to build respectability for their program. Didnt win a significant game last yr. One of the few decent Big 12 D units, but still give Bruins the edge for playing tougher comp. Ark/Ole Miss -- 2 more great Big 12 defenses! Ark has one of the best coaches in college football, so they get the edge. Ole Miss replacing Manning at QB, will fall back to the middle of the pack in the SEC.
-- advantage UCLA over all except Ark

These are my opinions. I think they are fair! My analysis is based mainly on projections for next season only. On reputation, those other confs win by a landslide, but, on the field, is a different story.

By your own #s, Pac 10 win% about 35% v SEC, 42% v Big 12 & 46% v Big 10. Basically, coin flips v 2 out of 3 of those confs. Nothing to be ashamed of! I dont see the utter domination, that you are talking about. The small # of Pac 10/SEC games is a compliment in a way. Since the SEC seeks the weakest teams to play. I'd be willing to bet that the SEC has more games v the Sun Belt & DII schools than the v Pac 10 over whatever timespan those 101 games were played in.

Another thing, those win%'s have to be placed in their proper perspectives. In other words, how well does the Big 12 do v the Big 10 & SEC. I am pretty sure they dont win anywhere near 46% of their games v the Big 10! Ditto for the SEC!

I appreciate all your hard work MC, so please dont take my opinions in a negative way at all.

 

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That is funny too. All I see are multiple replies to my posts and numerous views. If nobody liked it, nobody would be viewing it and replying to it.

Scott, your statement above qualifies in the top 5 of your all-time most idiotic statements I've ever read on this board.

 

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all scott has to boast about is his stupid SOS. How ironic that is. HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
is there really even a legit SOS out there??? Like I said before, you don't win championships based on SOS. HAHAHAHA!!!!!