Toledo @ Pitt !!!!!!!!

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now this is a true thread. what MJ's is all about. no doubt hella is the king of the MAC and i've read this thread top to bottom. very much appreciated input/findings.

but, outside of this thread, there is another post of fletchers for "sat ncaa"... when i see that "wink" next to PITT...

thought it would be -7, opened at -4 and is now at -3. hopefully, this one gets nailed down even further.

hey fletch, if you pop back in here, this one going down like BG at KAN last week? tight for a bit early but, not an issue down the stretch?

on a different subject, for my ninjas...

MI -7- or less.
 
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Ninja - Pick what you think is right. I have my reasons on why I like Toledo and fletch has his reasons why he likes Pitt. I got reasons that I cant post but what we say shouldnt effect your picking. Good luck with whatever side your on....your probably better off staying away if you reconsider your bets....usually it comes back to hunt you :cool:

rebel - got your mail....i emailed you back :D

Good Luck :toast:
 

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Linebacker goes home.......

Linebacker goes home.......

Football: Ellwood City's Gardner found right formula to pick Toledo

Thursday, September 26, 2002

By Paul Zeise, Post-Gazette Sports Writer



When David Gardner was a senior at Ellwood City, he was offered a number of scholarships but narrowed his choices to Pitt and Toledo.

On paper, the choice seemed to be an easy one.

Pitt was his hometown team; Toledo was on the other side of Ohio. Pitt played in a major conference with five bowl affiliations; Toledo played in a mid-major conference that at the time had only one bowl affiliation. Pitt was on national television a number of times per year; Toledo rarely was.

And sure enough, after weighing all of those factors and a few others, it didn't take long for Gardner to figure which offer was right for him.

He has loved every minute of his career at Toledo

"For me it was actually an easy choice," said Gardner, a senior starting linebacker. "I'm kind of a country boy, and Pitt was just a little too urban for me. Toledo is a little more in the suburbs, and I just felt more comfortable with that situation. I've made some great friends here and have had a great experience.

"Plus, we play a very high level of football here. I've been to a bowl game, we've beaten some of these teams from the bigger conferences, and we've proven that we can play with anyone in the country."

Gardner is a three-year starter for the Rockets, a team captain and their best defensive player. He leads the team with 49 tackles and also has intercepted two passes.

On Saturday, he will lead the Rockets into Heinz Field for a non-conference game against Pitt (3-1).

Observers might look at this as a relatively easy win for the Panthers. After all, they are 16-0 against teams from the Mid-American Conference, including a 6-0 mark under Coach Walt Harris. Pitt has won those six games by an average score of 31-11.

But Toledo is not just another MAC team. The Rockets should provide Pitt with far more competition than the Big East's lower-tier teams. They are not only one of the MAC's best programs and the defending conference champions, but they also have become one of the better programs in the country.

The Rockets (3-1) are 26-4 in their past 30 games, have won at least 10 games in each of the past two years and last year won the MAC championship game as well as the Motor City Bowl.

More important, Toledo has shown it is capable of stepping up in class and still winning. Two years ago, the Rockets stomped Penn State, 24-6, at Beaver Stadium. Last year, they humbled Minnesota, 49-7. And in 1997, they beat Purdue, 36-22.

"We don't ever enter a game thinking about what conference our opponent is from," Gardner said. "We expect to win every game that we play. If we didn't, what would be the point? We know that Pitt is a great program with great tradition, but we feel like we have a great tradition as well. We'll have to play well to beat them, but we prepare to win here at Toledo."

The team's success in the past few years has been stunning to most people, but not to those within the program. Tom Amstutz, who is a Toledo native, a Toledo graduate and was a Rockets assistant coach from 1990 until last season when he was promoted to head coach, isn't shocked by any of it.

"Why should it be a surprise?" he asked. "We have an established program here and we expect to play at a very high level game in and game out. I've been around here pretty much my whole life, and that's what is expected. We expect to win every game we play, period.

"This will be a great challenge for us, but we're ready."

The Rockets lost a number of key players, particularly on defense, to graduation. The team has 54 first-year players and has seven new starters on defense.

Gardner, who is a team captain and leads the team with 49 tackles, said the defense has improved, but that it hasn't played a complete game yet. He said that the unit is still missing too many assignments and that, to date, the offense has carried the load.

"I think our defense is a lot like Pitt's offense," Gardner said. "You watch them and you can see they have some talented kids and a lot of great athletes. But they are a little out of rhythm, still. You can see they are so close to breaking out and once they do they are going to shock some people. We're the same way. Once we put a complete game together, we'll be very, very good."

One kicker emerges

Pitt is shelving its platoon system at place-kicker.

Freshman David Abdul will be the lone kicker Saturday against Toledo, Coach Walt Harris said after practice yesterday.

Through the first four games, Abdul, a scholarship player from Massillon Washington High School in Ohio, has handled kickoffs and field goals beyond 40 yards, where he is 2 of 5. Redshirt freshman J.B. Gibboney, a walk-on, is 7 of 10 on extra points and 3 of 4 on field goals, all from less than 40 yards.

Two return

Two Pitt players who missed practice Tuesday, linebacker Mike Jemison (excused absence) and tight end Darryl Weston (headaches), returned yesterday.
 

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Toledo's Jones continues to overcome

By Kevin Gorman
TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Thursday, September 26, 2002

Brian Jones is used to being underestimated, so the Toledo quarterback is not surprised that his completion percentage and passing efficiency rating are raising eyebrows around the country.

Not when you?ve suffered a knee injury so devastating that doctors declared your football career over. Not when you?ve been written off as the successor to two-time All-Mid-American Conference quarterback Tavares Bolden before spring drills ? even though you?re the only experienced candidate.

Jones has completed 54 of 78 attempts (69.2 percent) for 674 yards and three touchdowns with no interceptions for a pass efficiency rating of 154.5, which ranks 12th in the NCAA. He is intent on proving his numbers are no fluke when Toledo (3-1) visits Pitt (3-1) on Saturday at Heinz Field.

The 6-foot-2, 215-pound lefthander, a senior from Chico, Calif., is accustomed to having to prove himself over and over again.

?I?ve always been doubted, from high school and junior college to now,? Jones said, ?and I?ve had to fight my way up, so it wasn?t like it is a new position for me to be in."

Jones passed for 4,002 yards and 36 touchdowns in high school, but had to start over at Pleasant Valley-Shasta Junior College. At the tail end of an outstanding freshman season, he tore the anterior cruciate and medial collateral ligaments and the meniscus in one blow.

His recovery was made difficult because of the buildup of scar tissue ? ?I had a lot of rehab, let?s put it that way,? Jones said ? especially after doctors told him he would never play football again.

?(Driven by) the will to keep competing, I didn?t feel like I was done,? Jones said. ?To be doubted like that was motivation enough. It?s been a long road for me. It?s been a great honor for me. I?ve had to battle my way up. I don?t take anything I?ve done for granted.?

Jones returned to set Shasta passing records with 5,600 yards and 56 touchdowns. He headed to Toledo, where Bolden was entrenched as the starter, but new offensive coordinator Rob Spence was installing a spread offense that had flourished at Louisiana Tech and Hofstra.

?Rob Spence is a great OC, and he has done a great job building the offense around the players we have,? Jones said. ?We?re not quite the passing offense Louisiana Tech was. We have more of a mixture of run and pass.?

Though Toledo?s spread has actually featured the run (233.2 yards per game) more than the pass (202), Jones has been a calming presence in a backfield littered with new players. He had a strong camp to beat out junior-college transfer Cedric Stevens and redshirt freshman Bruce Gradkowski in a spirited three-way battle for the starting quarterback duties.

?A lot of people doubted his athletic ability, but he can move,? said Gradkowski, who passed for a WPIAL-record 2,978 yards and 30 touchdowns in 2000 as a senior at Seton-La Salle. ?He?s shifty, can move side-to-side, and he has real good feet and balance. He makes good decisions to keep the ball moving and the offense on the field.?

Jones showed that by completing 23 of 30 attempts for 195 yards in a 31-21 loss to Minnesota. Last week, in a 38-21 win over UNLV, Jones completed 10 of his first 11 passes and finished with 116 yards.

?Brian has emerged as the leader at that position,? Toledo coach Tom Amstutz said. ?He?s taking control and making plays. He can throw well and put it on target. He makes good decisions.

"And he has confidence in his ability.?

Even if he has to keep convincing everyone else.
 

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Pitt may be underrated. While Rutgers' defense showed a lot of improvement against Pittsburgh last week, I dont think Pitt HC Walt Harris took RU seriously and didnt install a full game plan.

A lot of runs up the middle that were stopped by RU, esp on 3rd down. However, RU had the safety cheating up on the line to stop the run and left the DBs on an island. Rutherford (Pitt QB) missed on a lot of his throws and had some passes dropped otherwise it would've been 38 - 3 Pitt.

Pitt has some TALL receivers and if Rutherford can get his act together, they can be very dangerous offensively. Tyler Palko (true frosh, highly recruited QB) got some playing time against Rutgers last week too.

Pitts D is top 25 caliber. Special teams are LEGIT Big East quality esp the place kicker.

No idea about Toledo. But dont under estimate Pitt. RU honestly isnt that bad...last weeks D was incredible vs Pitt.
 
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