Agreed DTB
With a bit of rain forecast it wont play as hard - I fancy at least 10 players to finish under par
With a bit of rain forecast it wont play as hard - I fancy at least 10 players to finish under par
U.S. Open
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ridle said:
ridle
I would if I did that sort of stuff - I stick to what works for me long term - good value outrights
Let's throw another tangent in--Which field is stronger--Open or PGA Champ?
Would say conditions will be tougher this year than PGA Champ in 97 on same course where 4 broke par and Love went -11
---tough to tell as weather a ? and will ulitimately determine outcome.
Tough tourney to cap and better for viewing--lots of traps out there. PM players could have best of it with dew linguring in rough in cool am temps and poana greens will slow speed more significantly in pm than bent or bermuda.
Would say conditions will be tougher this year than PGA Champ in 97 on same course where 4 broke par and Love went -11
---tough to tell as weather a ? and will ulitimately determine outcome.
Tough tourney to cap and better for viewing--lots of traps out there. PM players could have best of it with dew linguring in rough in cool am temps and poana greens will slow speed more significantly in pm than bent or bermuda.
Have been thinking about this matchup for a while:
1st round 3 ball at Stan James
Allred over Gangluff/Posey @ 2.63
Posey isn't even one of the top college players, made Q in a weak field and will be happy to break sub 80s not even to mention the cut.
Now Allread vs Gangluff - imo more like a cointoss - Allred with some solid results on NW this year while Gangluff is playing excellent on the bit weaker Cantour. Had a look at Allred's stats and he is quite ok in Putting, Distance and GIR....
Also Barlow over J Moore/P Tataurangi@2.3 Paddypower
My heart will be for Moore and Tataurangi but can't see much of a reason to make Barlow higher than evens in this one.
1st round 3 ball at Stan James
Allred over Gangluff/Posey @ 2.63
Posey isn't even one of the top college players, made Q in a weak field and will be happy to break sub 80s not even to mention the cut.
Now Allread vs Gangluff - imo more like a cointoss - Allred with some solid results on NW this year while Gangluff is playing excellent on the bit weaker Cantour. Had a look at Allred's stats and he is quite ok in Putting, Distance and GIR....
Also Barlow over J Moore/P Tataurangi@2.3 Paddypower
My heart will be for Moore and Tataurangi but can't see much of a reason to make Barlow higher than evens in this one.
The Big Tease said:
I agree, just deal with Local, need to move to others. 40-1 is always the longest shot offered. Most of the Time I'm short, but every once in a while I get a better Line.
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small risk/reward 6 pack of plays
small risk/reward 6 pack of plays
Wager: Tim Clark 50-1 to win 16.25 units
Wager: Justin Leonard 65-1 to win 21.12 units
Wager: Davis Love III 35-1 to win 11.37 units
Wager: Aaron Oberholser 60-1 to win 19.5 units
Wager: Adam Scott 18-1 to win 5.88 units
Wager: Jim Furyk 18-1 to win 5.88 units
Risking 1.95 total units
small risk/reward 6 pack of plays
Wager: Tim Clark 50-1 to win 16.25 units
Wager: Justin Leonard 65-1 to win 21.12 units
Wager: Davis Love III 35-1 to win 11.37 units
Wager: Aaron Oberholser 60-1 to win 19.5 units
Wager: Adam Scott 18-1 to win 5.88 units
Wager: Jim Furyk 18-1 to win 5.88 units
Risking 1.95 total units
Some of you may know I made my largest bet ever on Woods to win this tourney. Got it at 5.5-1
Here is a match up I liked though.
Wager type : Proposition/Future
Description : Golf Events
2006 US OPEN - June 15-18
1st Round ONLY - Matchups
119 Sean OHair vs Mark Hensby
120 Mark Hensby +110
Here is a match up I liked though.
Wager type : Proposition/Future
Description : Golf Events
2006 US OPEN - June 15-18
1st Round ONLY - Matchups
119 Sean OHair vs Mark Hensby
120 Mark Hensby +110
1 prop...
Winning score under 280 1/2 (-120)
Here's hoping someone can shoot even par.
I see Pinny is now at -140 for the under
Winning score under 280 1/2 (-120)
Here's hoping someone can shoot even par.
I see Pinny is now at -140 for the under
Informational post
Informational post
Hey guys, golf is my speciality and I am here to give some insight and some long shots for this weeks Open. There are three guys that I absolutely think have an outstanding chance at some decent odds. The three guys are Tim Clark, Trevor Immelman, Scott Verplank. There is also a fourth guy you could throw in there. Tim Clark is one of my personal favorites because he is an outstanding ball striker and can really bend the ball in either direction. He does not get intimidated and when he rolls the ball he is a top 10 player in the world no doubt. Trevor Immelman is player that has been playing well of late and has a great golf swing. He makes tons of birdies and this could be his coming out party. However, he does not drive it that straight and I do not know if he can grind it out with the best of them. If he does drive it straight he will be there come Sunday because he is a phenomenal talent and has been there on a Sunday last year at the Masters. Scott Verplank will not impress you on the range or even on the golf course, but he can flat out get it done. He can grind with the best of them and gets the most out of his rounds. He is a grizzly veteran and he can really putt the ball. I look for him to hit it straight and make a ton of pars and bore us to death. However, boring rounds with 18 pars surely look good in Open, especially at Winged Foot. The fourth guy is Mark Hensby. I caddied for Mark back when he played the Buy.com tour (now the Nationwide tour). I only caddied one tournament for Mark and that was at the time his best finish on American soil. He is a great driver of the golf ball and hits a number of greens. He can also really putt and if he has the right mindset as he has in past majors he could contend. His weakness is his short game and that is what has been holding him back this year. Mark has a great personality to contend in majors because he is very laid back and is never intimidated by anything or anyone. let's remeber he slept in his car for months in Chicago when he came over from Australia. I hope this is valuable insight for you guys and good luck. Also, an excellent amateur to watch this week is a guy out of Florida in Billy Horschel.
Tim Clark- 48-1
Trevor Immelman- 50-1
Scott Verplank- 100-1
Mark Hensby- 225-1
Informational post
Hey guys, golf is my speciality and I am here to give some insight and some long shots for this weeks Open. There are three guys that I absolutely think have an outstanding chance at some decent odds. The three guys are Tim Clark, Trevor Immelman, Scott Verplank. There is also a fourth guy you could throw in there. Tim Clark is one of my personal favorites because he is an outstanding ball striker and can really bend the ball in either direction. He does not get intimidated and when he rolls the ball he is a top 10 player in the world no doubt. Trevor Immelman is player that has been playing well of late and has a great golf swing. He makes tons of birdies and this could be his coming out party. However, he does not drive it that straight and I do not know if he can grind it out with the best of them. If he does drive it straight he will be there come Sunday because he is a phenomenal talent and has been there on a Sunday last year at the Masters. Scott Verplank will not impress you on the range or even on the golf course, but he can flat out get it done. He can grind with the best of them and gets the most out of his rounds. He is a grizzly veteran and he can really putt the ball. I look for him to hit it straight and make a ton of pars and bore us to death. However, boring rounds with 18 pars surely look good in Open, especially at Winged Foot. The fourth guy is Mark Hensby. I caddied for Mark back when he played the Buy.com tour (now the Nationwide tour). I only caddied one tournament for Mark and that was at the time his best finish on American soil. He is a great driver of the golf ball and hits a number of greens. He can also really putt and if he has the right mindset as he has in past majors he could contend. His weakness is his short game and that is what has been holding him back this year. Mark has a great personality to contend in majors because he is very laid back and is never intimidated by anything or anyone. let's remeber he slept in his car for months in Chicago when he came over from Australia. I hope this is valuable insight for you guys and good luck. Also, an excellent amateur to watch this week is a guy out of Florida in Billy Horschel.
Tim Clark- 48-1
Trevor Immelman- 50-1
Scott Verplank- 100-1
Mark Hensby- 225-1
Overall, with posted plays at madjacksports from 2002-2006, the Masters, Open Championship and Players Championship have been exceptionally good events for me, while the U.S. Open and P.G.A. have been definite disappointments . . . Not a massive feeling this time, either, that my slate of picks is close to the mark, but in the majors I'll indulge myself all week long if so moved; while Masters week is tough to top because of its place on the calendar, my merely personal feelings have never waivered on our Open being the most important championship in golf (which explains why I've attended for at least all four tournament days of the U.S. Opens at Medinah in '75, Olympic in '87, Medinah in '90, Hazeltine in '91, Olympic in '97 and Olympia Fields in '03, and only spent one or two days at a handful of other PGA and Champions Tour events during those 30 years).
Outrights:
Arron Oberholser(100/1) e.w. (ante-post) @ BetFred
- - See Geoff Ogilvy discussion . . . At a minimum, when I placed this wager on 05.20.06, after my tumblers got to turning while looking at how Oberholser's season was unfolding, I definitely expected that his immediate season would continue on a path that would make this price a distant memory when the championship started. And just a hunch, really, that he grew up like me believing that U.S. Open Champion is the most coveted title in golf and in all of sport.
Luke Donald(28/1) e.w. @ GolfingGods
- - Donald is an attractive package :com: of brilliance, heart and ambition - that's been my take for some time.
http://sport.guardian.co.uk/golf/comment/0,,1796057,00.html I don't see Luke being crushed by the setbacks on his learning curve. His time will come sooner and more frequently than that of m-a-n-y pretenders, IMO . . . I believe Donald is correct in his belief that the U.S. Open is the major that best plays to his strengths, and his form and preparation seem to be converging well for a run this week. Not much value to squeeze out of this play though, even when it was 33/1.
Stewart Cink(80/1) e.w. @ Bet365
- - Stanley sets forth the case for Cink on the basis of his U.S. Open pedigree and the "nearly there" quality of his recent play. Really seems the most likely candidate for tapping into the Harmon family presence that has left deep footprints about Winged Foot.
Adam Scott(25/1) e.w. @ Bet365
- - Successfully backed Scott at The Players Championship (40/1) in 2004, but at some point last year I vowed to myself that I would not be backing Scott again in any major championships until he had demonstrated some ability to peak for and play well at such times (and gained some always helpful seasoning from being in contention). However, I just can't ignore the tug I'm feeling from what I've seen in recent weeks - that Scott is really "in a good place" with his game and his patience coming in to this championship this time, and with his own potential source of inspiration from the Harmon family connectionhttp://www.butchharmon.com/tourwatch.asp?tab=tips&sel=tourwatch, Adam might just be due to hole his share of critical strokes on a scary set of greens that will frustrate even the most reliable putters and short game geniuses.
Geoff Ogilvy(80/1)(1/4 forTop 6) e.w. @ BetFred100/1)
- - Oz Rules in 2006!? I preferred this option over 100/1 with usual place terms elsewhere. Ogilvy has been much like Oberholser in his persistent hints that he would leave a big mark on the 2006 season; he's been unlike Oberholser in that he seems to have completely transformed himself from tempermental and too hard on himself just a few short seasons ago, and now possesses an equanimity that in spots could make Goosen look like the one with a pulse and/or losing his cool, while Oberholser still has the fidgety mannerisms typical of a young player.
Brett Quigley(150/1) e.w. @ 5dimes
- - Qualifies as my outsider. It wasn't a winning wager in the truest sense last week such that I wouldn't even dare to think about picking up this marker. While it's hard not to think that Brett's tank will be on empty before Sunday, I didn't really think about it much before deciding to stick with the play again.
Phil Mickelson(+700) e.w. @ Bet365
- - At this price, I could have just as well left Lefty off my card, despite his perch as the most ambitious and arguably the best player in the game for this brief (but getting longer) juncture of golf history. And I likely would have left Lefty off my card except for the fact that the new setup of graduated rough could favor his ability to emerge, and my belief that the intimate knowledge of this Tillinghast masterpiece gained through his proven methods of preparation will enable him to tap into his genius and save critical shots during a four day grind and be in the hunt again for the coveted title that he has so frequently had in his grasp.
Tiger Woods(+500) WIN ONLY @ BetFred
- - Growing up with the achievements of Jack Nicklaus by his bedpost, Tiger Woods has met or exceeded those achievements every step of the way, and only the test of longevity remains for Woods to leave no doubt about his place in the game. I haven't once doubted Tiger's greatness in 30 years, and I'm not about to think this is a hollow that he can't fill . . .I don't think it would have been a great moment for the game if Arnie had won the U.S. Open by 15 shots, much less did I think so when it was Mr. Woods with the mixed bag of exasperating and wonderful that marks his character and career. In the wake of the carnage of the Tiger Slam (which included The Players Championship crystal for good measure), in major championships I've always included this wager on my card as "insurance" against . . . I think Winged Foot's poa annua greens rate with Oakland Hills and Oakmont as the most treacherous putting surfaces proper of any U.S. Open venue, which sets up the distinct possibility that if The Chosen One gets his putter to cooperate in a telling fashion, Tiger may amazingly feature prominently in the discussions come Father's Day.
Stewart Cink(50/1)(1/4 for Top 5) First Round Leader @ BetFred
AND
Brett Quigley(100/1)(1/4 for Top 5) First Round Leader @ BetFred
- - First round leader in the U.S. Open is part of the game's lore, and easily my favorite specialty market of all time for having a punt - Top Master's Debutante is a distant, distant second . . . I nailed Thomas Levet at Troon in 2004, but some day I REALLY want to nail this one.
Nothing else really stands out to me in the other specialty markets, but I hope there are opportunities in-running for Low European, etc., in the expectation that patience will eventually open a door of perceived value and opportunity.
GL
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"Don't believe everything you think." ~ lostinamerica
"My God, I've won the Open." ~ Ken Venturi
Outrights:
Arron Oberholser(100/1) e.w. (ante-post) @ BetFred
- - See Geoff Ogilvy discussion . . . At a minimum, when I placed this wager on 05.20.06, after my tumblers got to turning while looking at how Oberholser's season was unfolding, I definitely expected that his immediate season would continue on a path that would make this price a distant memory when the championship started. And just a hunch, really, that he grew up like me believing that U.S. Open Champion is the most coveted title in golf and in all of sport.
Luke Donald(28/1) e.w. @ GolfingGods
- - Donald is an attractive package :com: of brilliance, heart and ambition - that's been my take for some time.
http://sport.guardian.co.uk/golf/comment/0,,1796057,00.html I don't see Luke being crushed by the setbacks on his learning curve. His time will come sooner and more frequently than that of m-a-n-y pretenders, IMO . . . I believe Donald is correct in his belief that the U.S. Open is the major that best plays to his strengths, and his form and preparation seem to be converging well for a run this week. Not much value to squeeze out of this play though, even when it was 33/1.
Stewart Cink(80/1) e.w. @ Bet365
- - Stanley sets forth the case for Cink on the basis of his U.S. Open pedigree and the "nearly there" quality of his recent play. Really seems the most likely candidate for tapping into the Harmon family presence that has left deep footprints about Winged Foot.
Adam Scott(25/1) e.w. @ Bet365
- - Successfully backed Scott at The Players Championship (40/1) in 2004, but at some point last year I vowed to myself that I would not be backing Scott again in any major championships until he had demonstrated some ability to peak for and play well at such times (and gained some always helpful seasoning from being in contention). However, I just can't ignore the tug I'm feeling from what I've seen in recent weeks - that Scott is really "in a good place" with his game and his patience coming in to this championship this time, and with his own potential source of inspiration from the Harmon family connectionhttp://www.butchharmon.com/tourwatch.asp?tab=tips&sel=tourwatch, Adam might just be due to hole his share of critical strokes on a scary set of greens that will frustrate even the most reliable putters and short game geniuses.
Geoff Ogilvy(80/1)(1/4 forTop 6) e.w. @ BetFred100/1)
- - Oz Rules in 2006!? I preferred this option over 100/1 with usual place terms elsewhere. Ogilvy has been much like Oberholser in his persistent hints that he would leave a big mark on the 2006 season; he's been unlike Oberholser in that he seems to have completely transformed himself from tempermental and too hard on himself just a few short seasons ago, and now possesses an equanimity that in spots could make Goosen look like the one with a pulse and/or losing his cool, while Oberholser still has the fidgety mannerisms typical of a young player.
Brett Quigley(150/1) e.w. @ 5dimes
- - Qualifies as my outsider. It wasn't a winning wager in the truest sense last week such that I wouldn't even dare to think about picking up this marker. While it's hard not to think that Brett's tank will be on empty before Sunday, I didn't really think about it much before deciding to stick with the play again.
Phil Mickelson(+700) e.w. @ Bet365
- - At this price, I could have just as well left Lefty off my card, despite his perch as the most ambitious and arguably the best player in the game for this brief (but getting longer) juncture of golf history. And I likely would have left Lefty off my card except for the fact that the new setup of graduated rough could favor his ability to emerge, and my belief that the intimate knowledge of this Tillinghast masterpiece gained through his proven methods of preparation will enable him to tap into his genius and save critical shots during a four day grind and be in the hunt again for the coveted title that he has so frequently had in his grasp.
Tiger Woods(+500) WIN ONLY @ BetFred
- - Growing up with the achievements of Jack Nicklaus by his bedpost, Tiger Woods has met or exceeded those achievements every step of the way, and only the test of longevity remains for Woods to leave no doubt about his place in the game. I haven't once doubted Tiger's greatness in 30 years, and I'm not about to think this is a hollow that he can't fill . . .I don't think it would have been a great moment for the game if Arnie had won the U.S. Open by 15 shots, much less did I think so when it was Mr. Woods with the mixed bag of exasperating and wonderful that marks his character and career. In the wake of the carnage of the Tiger Slam (which included The Players Championship crystal for good measure), in major championships I've always included this wager on my card as "insurance" against . . . I think Winged Foot's poa annua greens rate with Oakland Hills and Oakmont as the most treacherous putting surfaces proper of any U.S. Open venue, which sets up the distinct possibility that if The Chosen One gets his putter to cooperate in a telling fashion, Tiger may amazingly feature prominently in the discussions come Father's Day.
Stewart Cink(50/1)(1/4 for Top 5) First Round Leader @ BetFred
AND
Brett Quigley(100/1)(1/4 for Top 5) First Round Leader @ BetFred
- - First round leader in the U.S. Open is part of the game's lore, and easily my favorite specialty market of all time for having a punt - Top Master's Debutante is a distant, distant second . . . I nailed Thomas Levet at Troon in 2004, but some day I REALLY want to nail this one.
Nothing else really stands out to me in the other specialty markets, but I hope there are opportunities in-running for Low European, etc., in the expectation that patience will eventually open a door of perceived value and opportunity.
GL
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"Don't believe everything you think." ~ lostinamerica
"My God, I've won the Open." ~ Ken Venturi
Welcome DETROIT - always good to have ex-caddies advice on here.
Did Furyk injure his back yesterday or was this the injury that nade him rest before westchester last week?
Did Furyk injure his back yesterday or was this the injury that nade him rest before westchester last week?
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Bit of news on Tataraungi, fairways should be a big issue:
There is a stiff challenge ahead for Phil Tataurangi at the US Open in New York.
Tataurangi will tee off in the first round later tonight, with just a handful of PGA Tour events under his belt after a year off with a back injury.
He says the step up to a major championship is going to be tough, and he is about to find out just how good his game is at the moment.
Tataurangi believes the course will really put all the golfers to the test, and his short game will need to be top notch if he is going to be competitive.
He feels he has made steady improvements in that part of his game, which he will need if he wants to have any sort of shot this weekend.
One of the major problems is that if the fairway is missed, there is a fair bit of uncertainty over what to do as there are so many different shots you need to play, rather than a big blast out of the rough.
He honed his game on the practice greens this morning, alongside Tiger Woods who had a crowd of around 300 fans in tow, and while he has a few personal goals, he has no real expectations heading into the event.
Tataurangi joins fellow New Zealander and defending champion Michael Campbell in the field.
There is a stiff challenge ahead for Phil Tataurangi at the US Open in New York.
Tataurangi will tee off in the first round later tonight, with just a handful of PGA Tour events under his belt after a year off with a back injury.
He says the step up to a major championship is going to be tough, and he is about to find out just how good his game is at the moment.
Tataurangi believes the course will really put all the golfers to the test, and his short game will need to be top notch if he is going to be competitive.
He feels he has made steady improvements in that part of his game, which he will need if he wants to have any sort of shot this weekend.
One of the major problems is that if the fairway is missed, there is a fair bit of uncertainty over what to do as there are so many different shots you need to play, rather than a big blast out of the rough.
He honed his game on the practice greens this morning, alongside Tiger Woods who had a crowd of around 300 fans in tow, and while he has a few personal goals, he has no real expectations heading into the event.
Tataurangi joins fellow New Zealander and defending champion Michael Campbell in the field.
ridle said:
And as we're just a few hours away - hoping for the dream story:
Walked a few holes with Andrew Svoboda this morning. He played a practice round with Carl Petersson, who got into the field when he won The Memorial Tournament two weeks ago. Svoboda is one of the great stories of the 2006 U.S. Open. He's not only from nearby Larchmont, but he grew up at Winged Foot. He's played more than 1,000 rounds at the club and he has probably caddied nearly as much. He started as a caddie when he was 10, and the caddies at the club treat him as one of their own, even if he is the son of a member. He could be this year's Jason Gore. He played really well at Canoe Brook on June 5 to get into the field. If not for a 40 on his second nine of the morning round, Svoboda might have been the medalist. You can bet the Winged Foot membership as well as the Westchester County community will be rooting hard for Svoboda come Thursday.
Walked a few holes with Andrew Svoboda this morning. He played a practice round with Carl Petersson, who got into the field when he won The Memorial Tournament two weeks ago. Svoboda is one of the great stories of the 2006 U.S. Open. He's not only from nearby Larchmont, but he grew up at Winged Foot. He's played more than 1,000 rounds at the club and he has probably caddied nearly as much. He started as a caddie when he was 10, and the caddies at the club treat him as one of their own, even if he is the son of a member. He could be this year's Jason Gore. He played really well at Canoe Brook on June 5 to get into the field. If not for a 40 on his second nine of the morning round, Svoboda might have been the medalist. You can bet the Winged Foot membership as well as the Westchester County community will be rooting hard for Svoboda come Thursday.
Immelman top 10 6-1 (bowmans)
72 Singh -135 over Furyk (bowmans)
1st round matchups at the greek:
G Ogilvy -105 over D Howell
O'Hern -110 over Mayfair
Scott +110 over Furyk
GL
72 Singh -135 over Furyk (bowmans)
1st round matchups at the greek:
G Ogilvy -105 over D Howell
O'Hern -110 over Mayfair
Scott +110 over Furyk
GL
