UFC 187, May 23rd, Las Vegas, Nevada

kickserv

Wrong Forum Mod
Forum Member
May 26, 2002
89,475
1,268
113
50
Canada
Fight Card
-------------------------------------------------------------

Daniel Cormier vs. Anthony Johnson
Chris Weidman vs. Vitor Belfort
Donald Cerrone vs. John Makdessi:canada1
Andrei Arlovski vs. Travis Browne
Joseph Benavidez vs. John Moraga
John Dodson vs. Zach Makovsky
Josh Burkman vs. Dong Hyun Kim
Uriah Hall vs. Rafael Natal
Nina Ansaroff vs. Rose Namajunas
Colby Covington vs. Mike Pyle
Leo Kuntz vs. Islam Makhachev
Josh Sampo vs. Justin Scoggins



I don't think any MMA fan can complain about this card.
 

akatdrake

Registered
Forum Member
Apr 26, 2014
396
1
0
Anthony Johnson +100 over Daniel Cormier 1 to win 1
Rafael Natal +240 over Uriah Hall 0.5 to win 1.2
Chris Weidman/Donald Cerrone -196 1 to win 0.51
Weidman/Cerrone/Browne/Benavidez/Dodson/Scoggins +235 0.5 to win 1.264

Pretty great card, hopefully the faves hit it except Natal!!!
 

THE_THONG

Registered User
Forum Member
May 2, 2008
13,734
85
48
Victoria's Secret
there looks to be some good parlay material

don't see arlovski beating browne unless he runs all night and doesn't get cracked once

like cormier here because in the past rumble has shown an affinity to quit
 
Last edited:

layinwood

Registered User
Forum Member
Aug 29, 2001
4,771
40
0
Dallas, TX
Belfort is so tempting to me. I just wish I could see him spar and what his body looks like. If his hands are still quick like they've always been then I think he beats Weidman because I think he can keep it standing. It won't be a big play but if he looks good at weigh ins I'll take him. I like the odds.

Cormier and Johnson is one of the hardest picks ever for a main card fight. I think someone could make a valid argument as to several different outcomes. The one I think is most valid is Cormier just grinding him down for 5 rounds and winning ugly.
 

gardenweasel

el guapo
Forum Member
Jan 10, 2002
40,556
214
63
"the bunker"
Belfort is so tempting to me. I just wish I could see him spar and what his body looks like. If his hands are still quick like they've always been then I think he beats Weidman because I think he can keep it standing. It won't be a big play but if he looks good at weigh ins I'll take him. I like the odds.

Cormier and Johnson is one of the hardest picks ever for a main card fight
. I think someone could make a valid argument as to several different outcomes. The one I think is most valid is Cormier just grinding him down for 5 rounds and winning ugly.

I initially thought that cormier would be a much tougher nut to crack for Johnson than john jones would have been(stylistically)....much like the Frankie edgar play(but to a much lesser extent),I`ve used cormier in a par or two as a kicker(with edgar) but I`m not feeling quite as certain as I did with edgar...matter of fact,as the fight draws closer, I`m glad I`ve tread a bit lightly....

although I believe that cormier will take johnson down,i`m not as confident he`ll keep him there...I think cormier has solid stand-up but if he`s forced to stand with Johnson before he`s able to take him down and soften him up/tire him out a bit,he`s probably not winning...

there was a time when I would have picked cormier here in a heartbeat(and totally gone all in on him at these odds,which are still dropping...Johnson may actually be the fave by post time)...Johnson is still one -dimensional regardless of his wrestling background(which he uses almost exclusively as a means to keep the fight standing)......but given Johnson`s confidence and Cormier's last fight being his first defeat,the mental advantage has to be with Johnson....

Johnson is so confident...if you watch the hour long pre-fight promo show,they show him walking into the ring before his fight in Sweden vs gustafsson.....the look on his face was such a tell(I`ve never seen a guy look so confident going into the lion`s den)....you could see he was absolutely confident he would win....and on the pre-fight show,i sensed some doubt and an unusually strong respect for Johnson from the usually disdainful and uber-confident cormier....that loss to jones seems to have affected cormier`s confidence(at least that`s how I`m reading it)....

I really saw this as a primo wagering opportunity...I think cormier is easily a top 3 or 4 pfp guy and all around better than Johnson......he`s handled some top heavyweights so easily that it was almost ridiculous...it`s hard to remember a fight (pre-jones) in which he struggled even a little... he`s always looked in total control.....he`s that good...even his his stand-up,used in conjuncction with the threat of his takedowns,is outstanding now....

but I`m sensing that the jones fight may have affected his confidence....and that has me balking....

I`m going to watch these odds...if the pendulum swings too far toward Johnson,i may take another look....ufc.com has 64% favoring Johnson....http://www.ufc.com/fantasy?utm_camp...m=Gplus:+UFC+-+Ultimate+Fighting+Championship

one more thing...if iohnson wins this,i`m not sure it`s very likely that it would be by decision....he won`t out-grapple cormier.....and given how his style has morphed into every fight becoming a" search and destroy" mission and his natural height and reach advantage,hard to figure Johnson just boxing and kicking his way to a decision....it`s not in his nature....he seems to throw everything with bad intentions and it`s hard to see him not eventually hurting a shorter guy in a 5 round stand-up fight......maybe I`m getting too far in the weeds here...that usually gets me in trouble...fortunately,there isn`t enough daylight between johnson wins(+115) and Johnson itd(+180) to make it tempting to get too specific.....

really wasn`t sold on Johnson,but the gustafsson fight and his extreme confidence has me rethinking...
 
Last edited:

ukgaz

Registered User
Forum Member
Apr 12, 2008
1,294
6
0
Sacramento
I'm also undecided on the two top fights. I had Cormier beating Jones as I thought he would be quicker with his striking and be able to take it to the mat. I was wrong and if his confidence by that loss has been dented then Anthony Johnson is not someone you want to face.

Interesting fact all 4 of Johnson's defeats have come to guys much smaller than him.....

38 year old Belfort with no TRT, not fought since November 2013. Damn 2013 Belfort wins this I think.

Weidman struggled towards the end against Lyoto. It's going to be an interesting fight. I think at this age and with no "help" Belfort has two rounds max to put Weidman away. If Weidman can survive the onslaught that surely has to happen from Belfort - keep in mind that Belfort in his 30's is much more calm and tactical than his youth and I believe he has to go back to that - then I think the champ defends. The reason I think Belfort has to go for it because I don't think he can go 5 at this stage. I'm not even sure he can go 3.
 

THE_THONG

Registered User
Forum Member
May 2, 2008
13,734
85
48
Victoria's Secret
going to go with belfort here... reverse triangle theory... :facepalm:

silva beat belfort
weidman beat silva
belfort beats weidman?

kick you can't stop me... :mj07:
 

kickserv

Wrong Forum Mod
Forum Member
May 26, 2002
89,475
1,268
113
50
Canada
going to go with belfort here... reverse triangle theory... :facepalm:

silva beat belfort
weidman beat silva
belfort beats weidman?

kick you can't stop me... :mj07:



:facepalm:


Belfort is going to get toyed with...easy win for Weidman. The fight won't even be close. Look for Belfort to gas out in Round 4 and Weidman to maul him. If Belfort wins one round I'll be shocked. Weidman wrestling will totally shut Belfort down.
 

THE_THONG

Registered User
Forum Member
May 2, 2008
13,734
85
48
Victoria's Secret
:facepalm:


Belfort is going to get toyed with...easy win for Weidman. The fight won't even be close. Look for Belfort to gas out in Round 4 and Weidman to maul him. If Belfort wins one round I'll be shocked. Weidman wrestling will totally shut Belfort down.

wesley snipes called me

url.jpg

he likes the bet
 

layinwood

Registered User
Forum Member
Aug 29, 2001
4,771
40
0
Dallas, TX
IMO, Cormier gets way too much respect. It's why I went so large when he fought Jones. I don't think any of his wins are as impressive as Rumbles win vs. Gus. Yes he beat some good HWs but nobody that's solid. All of the guys he beat have been known to be up and down. In LHW division he beat Hendo but I have absolutely no clue if that was a good win or ok win. Hendo is so old he may have had a hard time getting up from his chair to walk to the cage or he may have been fresh off a cycle, felt great and it was a good win for Cormier.

If Johnson keeps this fight standing he wins. I think the first two rounds go to Johnson because Cormier thinks he can stand and bang but then realizes he can't so for the next three rounds it's him leaning on Johnson and trying to either wear him out or take him down.

I'm taking Johnson just not sure what size play.
 

gardenweasel

el guapo
Forum Member
Jan 10, 2002
40,556
214
63
"the bunker"
I`ve given this more thought(from more than just a stylistic p.o.v.).....and after considering the entire scenario,i`m wondering what cormier`s mgmt. peeps are thinking....

public sentiment I`m seeing is that rumble Johnson is the second coming of mike Tyson.....the public is on johnson,no doubt about it and if you`re betting Johnson,i hope you hit the earlier line.....

if this fight wasn`t falling on the heels of the jones loss(and Cormier's late replacement status),i`d lean cormier....but as I said in another panel this doesn`t appear to be the same uber-confident cormier we saw pre-jones.....I think his confidence has been shaken by the loss while Johnson seems to feel unstoppable...the usual cocky,shit-talking cormier sounds way too respectful in his comments regarding Johnson....I don`t think he`s in anywhere near the proper state of mind here....

I think cormier is much the better all-round mma fighter..i honestly think that Johnson is one dimensional(yes he has a wrestling background of sorts but he seldom uses it offensively)....what he does(stand-up) he does very well and he`s on the kind of roll that means so much in a fight like this...

without a relatively safe win over bader(or anybody in the interim)to bolster his confidence,i`m not sure any of the variables favor cormier... I think he made a major mistake taking this fight in the way he did...Johnson and bader are two totally different tasks(different level tasks)....less than a month to prepare specifically for Johnson on the heels of a devastating loss(your first after nothing but easy wins...cormier was never really pressed in any of his fights prior to jones...he was dominant) ...

it`s not an age issue...cormier came to the game relatively late and short of the jones fight,he`s dominated all his fights...made em look easy...very little treadwear on his mma tires...

even with the height and reach disadvantage,I would like his style vs Johnson under normal circumstances....... but this is just a terrible mgmt. decision for cormier(I don`t care if it`s a championship match...you don`t become champion by losing and you don`t increase your chances of winning by taking on the hottest fighter in the weight class on the heels of a grudge match loss without regaining your bearings and confidence...particularly when the the other guy is maybe the hottest fighter in mma and coming off his best career win.)....

this line is now -110 both ways...expect Johnson to be the fave by saturday.... even if you liked cormier(like I did,emphatically) but think about it in an objective manner,it`s hard not to see why the line is moving...

cormier wins here it would be with nearly every peripheral advantage falling to Johnson...

if I were managing cormier(given this scenario),white would have had to offer me the louisiana purchase to take this fight....what are they thinking?...brutal career mgmt.,imo....
 
Last edited:

layinwood

Registered User
Forum Member
Aug 29, 2001
4,771
40
0
Dallas, TX
waiting for the number to go up on belfort then I'll hit it

a lot of people think weidman is a sure thing


I'll be taking Belfort as well. Too big of a line not to take a shot at a guy with hands like him. The question is, do those hands have anything left in them. If, and that's a big if, Belfort still looks good I think he wins.
 

gardenweasel

el guapo
Forum Member
Jan 10, 2002
40,556
214
63
"the bunker"
anubody see any way Belfort/Weidman goes a full 5?...Belfort/Weidman doesn`t go the distance at -360 looks like parlay fodder...Belfort will be dangerous early(even an old Belfort can be dangerous in the first and second)....but he`s never been 5 and has faded in fights before...

I`m thinking if Belfort doesn`t get lucky early,weidman has a very good chance of finishing a fading Belfort later on...don`t see Belfort gutting it out in a 5 rounder like Machida did...
 

THE_THONG

Registered User
Forum Member
May 2, 2008
13,734
85
48
Victoria's Secret
I'll be taking Belfort as well. Too big of a line not to take a shot at a guy with hands like him. The question is, do those hands have anything left in them. If, and that's a big if, Belfort still looks good I think he wins.

taking a chance, hoping lightning will strike

weidman gets tired late, too
 

kickserv

Wrong Forum Mod
Forum Member
May 26, 2002
89,475
1,268
113
50
Canada
Uriah Hall and Rafael Natal get after one another at the weigh-in.....Rafael Natal whispers something into Hall ear and it went off.

Like Natal at big underdog odds after seeing that.

Heated weigh-in moment.:scared




Josh Sampo and Justin Scoggins also went after one another:eek:


and

Belfort and Weidman went after one another:eek:
 

kickserv

Wrong Forum Mod
Forum Member
May 26, 2002
89,475
1,268
113
50
Canada
Weidman quote at weigh-in......


"We just found out that during camp Belfort had a 1200 testosterone score, this guy is still cheating and I am going to make him pay for it tomorrow"



:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:



Can't wait for Belfort to get toyed with, he is a massive cheater and he is still cheating, unreal:facepalm:
 
Bet on MyBookie
Top