UFC 88 "BREAKTHROUGH": SEPTEMBER 6th, Atlanta, GA

[kickserv]

Fight Card
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-Chuck Liddell vs. Rashad Evans
-Rich Franklin vs. Matt Hamill
-Nate Marquardt vs. Martin Kampmann
-Dan Henderson vs. Rousimar Palhares
-Karo Parisyan vs. Yoshiyuki Yoshida
-Dong Hyun Kim vs. Matt Brown
-Kurt Pellegrino vs. Thiago Tavares
-Roan Carneiro vs. Ryo Chonan
-James Lee vs. Tim Boetsch

 

[kickserv]

ok madjackers.........time for a cocky post......

BET THIS NOW......odds will be worse by fight day.


Anything can happen in mma.......but this parlay is a adlock:


Parlay
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Chuck Liddell
Rich Franklin

odds = $1.99 *6 Joe Rogans :scared :em71:

 

[The Sponge]

Fight Card
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-Chuck Liddell vs. Rashad Evans
-Rich Franklin vs. Matt Hamill
-Nate Marquardt vs. Martin Kampmann
-Dan Henderson vs. Rousimar Palhares
-Karo Parisyan vs. Yoshiyuki Yoshida
-Dong Hyun Kim vs. Matt Brown
-Kurt Pellegrino vs. Thiago Tavares
-Roan Carneiro vs. Ryo Chonan
-James Lee vs. Tim Boetsch

Before i start reading stuff to change my mind here are my opening thoughts to this snorefess :mj07:

Lidell and Rashad goes similar to Lidell vs Oversteen. Chasing Rashad all over the ring and at times Rashad has his highlights but eventually Rashad gets caught or loses a decision.

Hamel/Franklin i see Franklin knocking him out. Everyone seems to be down on Franklin but who has he lost to? I just don't like Hamels hands and they have improved but this is Franklin (even tho i don't think he has super hands either just better then most guys in this sport) and not some guy with average hands like Bisping or the last guy Hamels fought. Hamels needs to go back to mauling in this fight or it might be over early. I can see him using the Sherk/Penn playbook here and let pride get in the way.

Henderson/Palhares I wanted to see Hendo get his first victory in the UFC but this Palhares kid looks like a Jujitzu machine. I hope Dan study's up on this guy and doesn't take him lightly or he goes to 0-3. Have to see where Hendersons head is on this one.

 

[layinwood]

Chalk me up for Liddell for 7 units. Tailor made for easy Chuck win and this will send Evans down to ** where he belongs.

I'm actually worried about Franklin. Hamill is so damn strong and I think he could have a chance at just laying and praying his way to victory. Don't forget, Franklin is moving up in weight. One of his big advantages in the ** division was his size. I like Franklin a lot so I hope he wins but it could be a real test.

The Kampmann fight and the Henderson fight could be fights of the year types.

 

[nj]

Liddell by 3rnd decision +445? :shrug: Do you think that line will drop?

 

[BUCSnotYUCKS]

I like Lee, Franklin, Hendo, and Kampmann at first glance. I think this card has $$$ written all over it. I'm not on Liddell like most will be. I think Evans could give Chuck problems like Jardine did. Evans has an interesting style. He's always moving and his strength and agility is underrated.

I'm a huge Kampmann fan. He, IMO, is Anderson Silva's biggest threat. I just wish he never gotten hurt. I predicted on the Sherdog forums that next year at this time, he is the ** champion.

I hope Karo gets KTFO again LOL, can't stand that asshole.

 

[weepaul]

I might as well give my picks and get the slaggings over with as I don't think anyone will agree with my picks.

This card is an underdogs paradise in my opinion.

Evans to beat Chuck. Evans has pretty good hands to go along with good wrestling. I have never seen Evans badly hurt and he has had fights with some big Heavy's.
Chuck is getting older and coming off a very bad injury. At +225 my money's on Rashad.

Hamill to beat Rich. I think this could be a bad match up for Rich. His size was a big advantage at 185 but now he is fighting a big, strong kid with farmboy strength and good wrestling at 205.

Marquardt to beat Kampmann. I just think Nate is a little better.

Palhares to beat Dan. Palhares is a beast and Dan is no longer impossible to sub.

Yoshida to beat Karo. Yoshida is being vastly underated by the books. He has good ground and pound, sub escapes and stamina. He is a judo player as well so maybe Karo won't be able to toss him on his head as easy as his other opponents.

Dong to beat Brown. I like Brown and won good money on his last UFC fight as an underdog but Dong is a different kind of beast.

Lee to beat Boetsch. Lee is a better fighter as long as he does not injure himself as he did in his UFC debut.

I won't bet on the other fights.

Flame away Fella's.:00hour :00hour

 

[kickserv]

I agree with ya on the underdogs.....love lots of the dogs. But, Franklin is going to destroy Matt, and only way Chuck loses is if his injury acts up. Odds of Franklin losing are the same as GSP losing to Penn.....zippo. GSP will toy with Penn and Franklin will toy with Matt. And Franklin isn't going to have to worry about the deaf boys wrestling, the fight won't last long enough for it to even get to the ground. I'll be shocked if that fight even reaches round 2.

Yoshida odds are insane, Karo should not be that big a fav against anybody. Karo, Aoki, and Nick Diaz, the three most over-rated mma fighters out there.

 

[layinwood]

Weepual,(not bashing picks, just looking to have a good conversation about picks) Evans has been in with some big guys and yeah he's never been hurt badly but who have they put him up against that hits hard?

 

[weepaul]

Weepual,(not bashing picks, just looking to have a good conversation about picks) Evans has been in with some big guys and yeah he's never been hurt badly but who have they put him up against that hits hard?

Stephan Bonner hits pretty hard.

Jason Lambert hits hard enough to be the only person along with Chuck, to dummy Babalu.

Jardine hit hard enough to dummy Forrest and knock Chuck on his arse.

I am not saying that these guys hit as hard as Chuck but Rashad's boxing is more polished than Chucks so I will go with Rashad at +225.

 

[gardenweasel]

I like Lee, Franklin, Hendo, and Kampmann at first glance. I think this card has $$$ written all over it. I'm not on Liddell like most will be. I think Evans could give Chuck problems like Jardine did. Evans has an interesting style. He's always moving and his strength and agility is underrated.

I'm a huge Kampmann fan. He, IMO, is Anderson Silva's biggest threat. I just wish he never gotten hurt. I predicted on the Sherdog forums that next year at this time, he is the ** champion.

I hope Karo gets KTFO again LOL, can't stand that asshole.

i`m a huge kampmann admirer myself....but,this is a tough fight for him...marquardt is top 4 or 5 in this weight class,imo...maybe 2 or 3 even....

but,i just like kampmann`s cool....if he`s a dog,i`m there...

and he would have to be,imo....

btw...just saw that kampmann was +120....i was hoping for much better being that marquardt is much more familiar to the public....

oh well....

palhares might be worth a look at +163....changing of the guard,maybe?...

some excellent match-ups..waiting for the guida/danzig line...

 

[layinwood]

The Kampmann vs Nate matchup is very big. The UFC has to be rooting for Kampmann to win. I wouldn't mind seeing Nate get a re match someday but it's too soon. They need some good ** talent to feed to Silva. For some reason I see Nate taking this one, but I woudn't be willing to wager on it.

 

[BUCSnotYUCKS]

I think Kampmann is going to suprisingly finish Marquart easily. I think Kampmann has the tools for the all around game. He looked scary good before he got hurt, and wasn't any short of that against Rivera.

I think Marquardt is in danger on the feet, and Kampmann has had some impressive subs on the ground. Lets not forget, he's an Xtreme Couture fighter

 

[layinwood]

Bucs, I think he can win but I don't know if he'll do it easily. I'm just suprised how slick he's been on the ground. Kampmann is getting a lot of hype so this will put him in a good place if he can win, if he dominates the UFC will be loving life. They desperately need someone to step up and challenge Silva.

 

[muhr]

i like palhares over henderson although the line isn't as good as i was hoping.

henderson, despite his wrestling background, is easy to takedown as seen by his fights with bustamante, misaki etc. and palhares is significantly better than both in his wrestling. moreover, he is durable. i see palhares either getting a sub or controlling enough of the fight for a dec.

 

[BUCSnotYUCKS]

Man, sheesh...I'd never think people would jump off of Hendo so fast.

Does anyone have enough tape on Palhares to be that sold on him? Sure he had a nice win over Salaverry, but when's the last time Ivan's done anything? That guys has been downhill for awhile now.

I think Hendo can and will KO/TKO him.

The more and more I look at this Palhares guy and his credintials and how those fighters did it makes me feel more and more confident Hendo will take care of him.

 

[The Sponge]

I am not saying that these guys hit as hard as Chuck but Rashad's boxing is more polished than Chucks so I will go with Rashad at +225.

Weepaul i would say Rashards boxing is more polished to but somehow Chuck finds a way to beat guys like this. Why i compared it to the one fight of Chucks. One of Chucks strengh is patience. Why i think he will wait this out and finally nail him. The way Rashard was gassing his last fight against Bisping would worry me to. Then again there is a reason Rashard is undefeated and we have saw how Chuck doesn't have the greatest of chins.

 

[weepaul]

Weepaul i would say Rashards boxing is more polished to but somehow Chuck finds a way to beat guys like this. Why i compared it to the one fight of Chucks. One of Chucks strengh is patience. Why i think he will wait this out and finally nail him. The way Rashard was gassing his last fight against Bisping would worry me to. Then again there is a reason Rashard is undefeated and we have saw how Chuck doesn't have the greatest of chins.

It would not surprise me in the least for Chuck to land a bomb and KO Rashad.
Babalu and Randy seemed impossible to KO until running into Chuck.
I also would not be surprised to see Rashad pepper Chuck with punches and get the occasional takedown to win on points while Chuck try's to land the caveman haymaker.
At the present odds, I take Rashad.

 

[BUCSnotYUCKS]

Weepaul i would say Rashards boxing is more polished to but somehow Chuck finds a way to beat guys like this. Why i compared it to the one fight of Chucks. One of Chucks strengh is patience. Why i think he will wait this out and finally nail him. The way Rashard was gassing his last fight against Bisping would worry me to. Then again there is a reason Rashard is undefeated and we have saw how Chuck doesn't have the greatest of chins.

I think alot of Rashad gassing has alot to do with the way the fight was. While it's not good that he gassed, I don't think he has to worry about gassing with Chuck. Chuck is a counter puncher, and I think Rashads style is going to give him troubles like Jardine did.

I agree with Weepaul. This fight is going to go either of 2 ways. Rashad is going to pick his spots, throw some jabs and leg kicks. Then go for the occasional takedown. OR Rashad might get caught being a little too aggressive and Chuck lands a nice one and it's over. I for some reason like Rashad in this one.

Lets not forget Chuck is coming off a SERIOUS injury. There's no way he's going to be as quick and as confident in his hammy. I have a close friend who had the same injury and can't near move like he used to. I think the injury is something alot of people are forgetting and it shouldn't.

It's not like he pulled his hammy or broke his hand. His hamstring was basically shredded.

 

[muhr]

Man, sheesh...I'd never think people would jump off of Hendo so fast.

Does anyone have enough tape on Palhares to be that sold on him? Sure he had a nice win over Salaverry, but when's the last time Ivan's done anything? That guys has been downhill for awhile now.

I think Hendo can and will KO/TKO him.

The more and more I look at this Palhares guy and his credintials and how those fighters did it makes me feel more and more confident Hendo will take care of him.

some of us have never been on dan to begin with. dan has received a number of questionable wins and has had a very erratic career. his most recent jump up to LHW has probably resulted in his best performances. i'm not sure if he'll be able to carry that down to **. since he's a smaller guy it makes sense that it would but when he dropped down to ** in pride he didn't look very good. then again he didn't look very good at LHW in pride before dropping down to **.