BTW ND didnt deserve to be in the Fiesta - shouldve been Oregon. Money talks I guess. The B/S walked out of the Fiesta with a butt whippin.
USC over Texas (detailed analysis)
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LuckyIrish said:
Agreed all prop odds on a Texas margin of victory are VERY HIGH, making +200 for the game look like dog Crap. For them to win by 1-3 pays 8-1. In a bowl game, where theres "supposedly" alot of close games, that shows you what the books think of Texas pulling the upset
ThrowinPicks said:
very emotional game for Fresno State. Teams play well in emotional games. You can tell it was emotional because they have COLLAPSED since that game. That indicates how much the game meant to them and the devastation losing it cost them.
like I said, USC sees EVERYONE's BEST SHOT. FSU is well coached and had that game circled since last season.
Just more evidence for USC. Everyone said FSU had a different defense and COULD slow down the trojans. What happened? They got FORCED into a shootout and couldnt keep up. Shows what Carroll's SCHEMES create.
Rcxslam said:
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Exactly. On top of that, Pete Carroll might be able to slow down high powered Texas offense. Remember, Carroll just needs to slow it down to win. Or force turnovers. Not shut it down. He shut down OU offense last year that many thought would score at will on USC. Carroll shut down Michigan and Iowa offenses that many thought would score on USC. Don't be surprised if Carroll shuts down Texas as well. But the goal is to slow it down, not necessarily shut it down. Carroll knows this.
Pete Carroll - how bout giving credit where credit is due - Norm Chow. Jeez people - this isnt Carrolls scheme.
This is something else I want addressed by those knocking the UT O as "GIMMICK"
All I hear about the UT/OSU game is UT didnt look good, Troy Smith didnt play 100% of the game blah, blah, blah
THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS UT STILL HUNG 25 pts on them @ HOME w/ 3 of the ALL-WORLD LB's playing @ 100%. DEPSITE GIVING UP 3 TURNOVERS.
Now, when ND played OSU IT WASNT AT THE SHOE, THEY GAVE UP NO TURNOVERS & ONE OF THE 3 ALL WORLD LB's, Carpenter, DIDNT PLAY & WAS REPLACED BY A FROSH LB. YET THEY COULD ONLY MUST 20 PTS vs that D.
Yet UT has a gimmick high school offense, even though it is really just a variation spread option which numerous teams in CFB use & ND & their PRO-STLYE, SOPHISTICATED offense couldnt match the points a HIGH SCHOOL GIMMICK offensive produced, in a much easier situation with the home/road & missing LB factor.
Now USC gave up 31 to that same offense that OSU held to 20, what will they give up to the offense that OSU gave up 25 to in a much more advantageous situation for Ohio St?? Texas faced a much stiffer OSU defense than ND did that is for sure. Maybe the O wasnt clicking for OSU like it is now, but that has nothing to do with this arguement.
PS. Dont give me the crap about ND was hyped up for USC, because ND was hyped up for OSU & I think most people forget the hype surronding the early season #2 vs #3 match up between Texas/OSU. OSU WAS SKY HIGH AT HOME IN PRIMETIME ON NATIONAL TV FOR THIS BATTLE OF HISTORIC PROGRAMS. It was circled for both teams all OFF-SEASON. OSU had MONTHS to SCHEME for UT.
All I hear about the UT/OSU game is UT didnt look good, Troy Smith didnt play 100% of the game blah, blah, blah
THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS UT STILL HUNG 25 pts on them @ HOME w/ 3 of the ALL-WORLD LB's playing @ 100%. DEPSITE GIVING UP 3 TURNOVERS.
Now, when ND played OSU IT WASNT AT THE SHOE, THEY GAVE UP NO TURNOVERS & ONE OF THE 3 ALL WORLD LB's, Carpenter, DIDNT PLAY & WAS REPLACED BY A FROSH LB. YET THEY COULD ONLY MUST 20 PTS vs that D.
Yet UT has a gimmick high school offense, even though it is really just a variation spread option which numerous teams in CFB use & ND & their PRO-STLYE, SOPHISTICATED offense couldnt match the points a HIGH SCHOOL GIMMICK offensive produced, in a much easier situation with the home/road & missing LB factor.
Now USC gave up 31 to that same offense that OSU held to 20, what will they give up to the offense that OSU gave up 25 to in a much more advantageous situation for Ohio St?? Texas faced a much stiffer OSU defense than ND did that is for sure. Maybe the O wasnt clicking for OSU like it is now, but that has nothing to do with this arguement.
PS. Dont give me the crap about ND was hyped up for USC, because ND was hyped up for OSU & I think most people forget the hype surronding the early season #2 vs #3 match up between Texas/OSU. OSU WAS SKY HIGH AT HOME IN PRIMETIME ON NATIONAL TV FOR THIS BATTLE OF HISTORIC PROGRAMS. It was circled for both teams all OFF-SEASON. OSU had MONTHS to SCHEME for UT.
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I left out a part of my reply....should have been....
make VY match them score for score with his arm....
make VY match them score for score with his arm....
ThrowinPicks said:
Ok Brent Mussburger. ND lost the game, fine. But lets face it, all you idiots saying Auburn and Oregon were more deserving were WRONG too.
How could you say Oregon deserved to go? ARe you serious? Just because a team loses doesnt mean they didnt deserve it!! Georgia lost the Sugar bowl, did they NOT DESERVE TO GO? Oregon lost the holiday bowl, so according to your dumbass theory, they didnt even DESERVE to go there? How can they deserve BCS if they didnt even deserve the holiday? :mj07: :mj07:
DerekNJND
You understand USC getting everyones best shot because ND gets it with every opponent as well. Very special to play ND. ND gets no breaks the entire season. Just like USC. Unless ND/USC start scheduling directional schools like the SEC.
Brought up great pts derek in this thread.
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You understand USC getting everyones best shot because ND gets it with every opponent as well. Very special to play ND. ND gets no breaks the entire season. Just like USC. Unless ND/USC start scheduling directional schools like the SEC.
Brought up great pts derek in this thread.
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ThrowinPicks said:
oregon should be thankful they were sitting and watching the fiesta because ohio state would have embarrassed the ducks. have said it before and ill say it again -- pac10 was terrible, but usc is not a pac10 team. tendencies, generalizations, and characteristics of the rest of the pac10 dont apply to usc.
ThrowinPicks said:
Actually you are wrong. Norm Chow offense didn't work in year 1. Carroll, Chow AND staff worked together in off season and made it the USC offense. Carroll played big role in USC offense. That is why USC has not missed a beat and improved production without Chow. But I feel a lot better if Chow was OC for this game intead of Kiffin.
But seriously - tell me USCs offense is a product of Pete Carroll and not Norm Chow.
If you are a USC fan you should know this.
If you are a USC fan you should know this.
gman2 said:
totally agree...Oregon would have been destroyed by Ohio St....
another point to bring up with USC-UT....not sure about VY composure if hes down early...will he be able to keep his cool? or will he try to shoulder too much of the burden? (like he usually does)..
Leinart on the other hand....reminds me of Tom Brady...
3 Seconds said:
Wow I actually agree. Dont think I've ever said that before at MJ's?
Anyway, OSU , like i've said in other posts, was a national title contender this season. Thats why I just cant believe someone just said the fiesta bowl showed that Oregon should have gone? OSU went blow for blow with Texas in September. They were two plays away from being in the game instead of Texas.
Anyone who could cirticize ND and not give props to OSU for the fiesta bowl is crazy. It was not an indicator of how BAD ND is, it was a display of how GOOD OSU is. ND got outplayed by great players, outrun by faster athletes, and at some points even OUTCOACHED by a great coach. Give the credit to OSU and dont tear ND, and subsequently USC down because of that loss. Such negativity
ThrowinPicks said:
by 14 points? and only 7 late in the 4th quarter?
Hmm, if Oregon only scored 13 against Oklahoma...I will boldly predict that OSU would have pitched a freakin SHUTOUT against Oregon.
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ThrowinPicks said:
are you kiddin me? 27-20 with 5 minutes left in the game is not competitive? I had OSU that game....and I was a little nervous until Pittman broke that long run...
3 seconds
Texas offense is like a high school offense. You see it being run in high school. A QB can come to Texas and learn system right away. Nothing sophisticated with Texas offense and it is gimmicky.
Texas excels because they run the offense well and against MOST teams they are more physically talented. It also helps to have a phenomanal athlete in VY. Tonight USC will struggle early on because they are not used to this offense lead by phenomanal QB. I am confident USC will adjust and when they do, Texas is fawked.
Why has Mack Brown struggled in big games? Because he can't just physically dominate you with talent against great teams. USC is a great team. You need to out scheme USC. Not just line up across and beat them.
Texas offense is like a high school offense. You see it being run in high school. A QB can come to Texas and learn system right away. Nothing sophisticated with Texas offense and it is gimmicky.
Texas excels because they run the offense well and against MOST teams they are more physically talented. It also helps to have a phenomanal athlete in VY. Tonight USC will struggle early on because they are not used to this offense lead by phenomanal QB. I am confident USC will adjust and when they do, Texas is fawked.
Why has Mack Brown struggled in big games? Because he can't just physically dominate you with talent against great teams. USC is a great team. You need to out scheme USC. Not just line up across and beat them.
Norm Chow? You are really grasping at straws. I suppose you are one of those anti-SC guys who said that the Trojan offense would disappear when Chow left for the NFL. Yeah, that happened didn't it. USC didn't miss a beat with Chow's departure which speaks volumes about their system. Chow wasn't the only assistant that left the program. I believe at least 3 others did as well. A good, strong coach runs a system that he and his team can believe in. Whether it is Norm Chow or Bart Simpson hasn't mattered at all.
Scott4USC said:
Come on now Scott that is not true.
All the teams get breaks.
USC breaks Hawaii, Washington, Wash St, Zona, Stanford, those games were breaks this year.
ND got breaks this year Washington, Cuse, Purdue. I will give ND credit as thier schedule is tougher than most & definately tougher than UT or USC's
UT got breaks, ULL, Baylor, Rice, they all got breaks.
This logic you 2 are taking is flawed.
I guess Colorado didnt get up for UT in the Big 12 championship & thats why the got 70 put on them. I guess OSU didnt get up for UT....come on man you both know better....
