As usual Lowell you dont know what you are talking about. But you arent worth the time to discuss it.
Vince Young, draft deja vu Vick !
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Report: Young does better on Wonderlic
After a rumor spread through the NFL combine Saturday that the Texas quarterback had scored a shockingly low 6 on the Wonderlic test, Young reportedly took the test again and scored a much more acceptable 16. According to a report in the Houston Chronicle, the original report of Young's 6 was false.
"I've been told it was inaccurate by a source good enough for me to quote it," Texans general manager Charley Casserly said Sunday afternoon.
The test, which consists of 50 non-football related questions in 12 minutes, is designed to determine a prospect's ability to learn. A low score could dramatically impact a prospect's draft position; according to the report, no coach, scout or general manager surveyed could produce an example of a starting quarterback with a single-digit Wonderlic score.
A score of 20 indicates average intelligence and corresponds roughly to an IQ of 100. However, it has long been believed that the test is culturally biased and many executives administer additional tests to supplement the Wonderlic.
"The combine officials assured us that score (6) was false and that the accurate score will be known when the combine results are given to each team," Young's agent Major Adams said.
Wonderlic scores are supposed to remain confidential, but the report said they often leak because they are included in combine results given to teams after the combine.
Prospects are also allowed to take the test as many times as they like.
"I heard about the 6," Tennessee general manager Floyd Reese said Sunday morning. "I heard the test was improperly given, and I heard they're going to try and correct it.
"It could be improperly given because of time. It could be improperly given because when you correct it, there are like six or seven different tests. If you correct Test A with a correct sheet for Test C, it's not going to come out very well."
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After a rumor spread through the NFL combine Saturday that the Texas quarterback had scored a shockingly low 6 on the Wonderlic test, Young reportedly took the test again and scored a much more acceptable 16. According to a report in the Houston Chronicle, the original report of Young's 6 was false.
"I've been told it was inaccurate by a source good enough for me to quote it," Texans general manager Charley Casserly said Sunday afternoon.
The test, which consists of 50 non-football related questions in 12 minutes, is designed to determine a prospect's ability to learn. A low score could dramatically impact a prospect's draft position; according to the report, no coach, scout or general manager surveyed could produce an example of a starting quarterback with a single-digit Wonderlic score.
A score of 20 indicates average intelligence and corresponds roughly to an IQ of 100. However, it has long been believed that the test is culturally biased and many executives administer additional tests to supplement the Wonderlic.
"The combine officials assured us that score (6) was false and that the accurate score will be known when the combine results are given to each team," Young's agent Major Adams said.
Wonderlic scores are supposed to remain confidential, but the report said they often leak because they are included in combine results given to teams after the combine.
Prospects are also allowed to take the test as many times as they like.
"I heard about the 6," Tennessee general manager Floyd Reese said Sunday morning. "I heard the test was improperly given, and I heard they're going to try and correct it.
"It could be improperly given because of time. It could be improperly given because when you correct it, there are like six or seven different tests. If you correct Test A with a correct sheet for Test C, it's not going to come out very well."
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let's get this straight. you said anything short of 35 is an idiot. he scores a 16 which is less than 50 percent as smart as an idiot. even though i had math at duke i used a calculator for that math problem. next how about giving us you take on the stellar 34 percent grad rates for texas football and the 27 percent grad rates for tx basketball compared to 70 percent for the student body. don't kid yourself. once the elgibility is over do you really think anyone cares if they graduate?Sun Tzu said:
Look at what these great Qb's did their first few years in the NFL. Simms,Jaworski,Bradshaw,Akiman. All nothing. Bradshaw first two yrs; 18 TD / 46 Int...... Jaworski first 5 yrs; more Int's than Td's and < 50% cmp %....... My favorite is some of these guys breaking down talent,that have non and never had any,like the genius Shaun Salisbury. Phil Simms has said and believes: If you can't throw off your back leg you can't make it in the NFL. With all that said, Young will play in the NFL and his success and failures will have more to do with the players around him, the system and the coaching staff.
sun,
i agree with you that houston needs quite alot to get respectable, but disagree with you on your assessment of reggie bush.....
i think he has the makings of being an excellent pro player.....he reminds me of marshall faulk.....as you say he is probably a 15 carry back but he is a very big threat out of the backfield as a receiver & should be able to catch 4-5 passes a game....i also think he can be a very effective compliment to davis as a back....
i have seen vince young about 3 or 4 times on tv this year,& while he was an electrifying qb in college, i don't think he will be much as a pro qb because of reasons that gjn mentioned.....
i agree with you that houston needs quite alot to get respectable, but disagree with you on your assessment of reggie bush.....
i think he has the makings of being an excellent pro player.....he reminds me of marshall faulk.....as you say he is probably a 15 carry back but he is a very big threat out of the backfield as a receiver & should be able to catch 4-5 passes a game....i also think he can be a very effective compliment to davis as a back....
i have seen vince young about 3 or 4 times on tv this year,& while he was an electrifying qb in college, i don't think he will be much as a pro qb because of reasons that gjn mentioned.....
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With no O-Line and a bad QB, I dont care how good one thinks may be as a receiver because iit wont matter if they cant get the ball to him.And other than Steve Smith,wideouts under 6 feet arent the way to go. Marshall Faulk had a great system, with great other wideouts and a solid QB. Houston doesnt have that.
You trade down. Get a ton of picks. Draft Ferguson and a TE in the first round and go from there.
You trade down. Get a ton of picks. Draft Ferguson and a TE in the first round and go from there.
""After a rumor spread through the NFL combine Saturday that the Texas quarterback had scored a shockingly low 6 on the Wonderlic test, Young reportedly took the test again and scored a much more acceptable 16""...
more acceptable?....after studying for the test?...lol....
i think maybe he took the"heimlich" test by mistake......and choked both times..
muffy....."tad,i heard you scored a 12 on your physics final".....
tad(proudly)..."nahh...i took it over and got a 32!!"
more acceptable?....after studying for the test?...lol....
i think maybe he took the"heimlich" test by mistake......and choked both times..
muffy....."tad,i heard you scored a 12 on your physics final".....
tad(proudly)..."nahh...i took it over and got a 32!!"
I think some people fail to realize the average offensive talent Vick had around him at VT, where as Vince Young played with the nations best talent at Texas.
Not to take anything away from Young, he was still a one-man-show this year, much like Vick in his final year. But I think coaching has a bit to do with that. (flame suit on :SIB )
Personally, I think Young should've went the way of all-world athlete Matt Jones and moved to WR. He would've still been a first round selection, IMO.
Not to take anything away from Young, he was still a one-man-show this year, much like Vick in his final year. But I think coaching has a bit to do with that. (flame suit on :SIB )
Personally, I think Young should've went the way of all-world athlete Matt Jones and moved to WR. He would've still been a first round selection, IMO.
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your kidding right.
http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm
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VINCE GOT A DO-OVER, LITERALLY
Here's the last thing we'll say on the Vince Young Wonderlic fiasco . . . at least until we pick up some more information about it.
A league source tells us that Young's do-over actually was a do-over.
In other words, he got the same version of the test on Sunday that he had taken on Saturday.
There are multiple versions of the Wonderlic. We've heard the NFL uses five or six; we've seen in print somewhere that there are as many as 18.
But Vince somehow pulled the same version on Sunday that he'd seen on Saturday.
Look, we're not in the business of sticking our fingers square in the eye of the NFL. We love pro football, and we've been loyal followers of the NFL for decades. So since that whole "if you express legitimate dissent then you hate America" thing has not yet migrated to pro sports, we feel free to reiterate that, if Young indeed got to take the same version of the Wonderlic on Sunday that he'd seen on Saturday, then this whole thing stinks to the highest levels of heaven.
In our opinion, there's ample proof here of a clumsy cover up that had more to do with mollifying Mack Brown and less to do with preserving the draft standing of Young. And the reason for it, in our opinion, is to help the major colleges continue to push through the Dexter Manleys of the world, who somehow can be on track to graduate from a university without being able to read or to write.
The sad truth is that college football isn't about the college, but about the football. These institutions make millions off of the toil and risks and the sometimes pretty faces of a bunch of guys who get pennies on the dollar in comparison to the revenue they generate.
Yeah, they get a free education. But maybe 10 percent of them ever even would have wanted that education.
And what is education without accountability? As we've all heard over the years, student-athletes get plenty of "special treatment" in order to stay north of a 2.0 (or whatever the minimum GPA is).
So the schools have little reason to change the guys who don't, never did, and never will want to learn. They need to enable them in order to ensure that they will be eligible.
Part of the enabling includes having coaches who will scream and shout whenever there's objective evidence, such as Young's initial Wonderlic result, which might fuel the perception that many of these guys aren't going to class, aren't studying, and aren't learning.
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VINCE GOT A DO-OVER, LITERALLY
Here's the last thing we'll say on the Vince Young Wonderlic fiasco . . . at least until we pick up some more information about it.
A league source tells us that Young's do-over actually was a do-over.
In other words, he got the same version of the test on Sunday that he had taken on Saturday.
There are multiple versions of the Wonderlic. We've heard the NFL uses five or six; we've seen in print somewhere that there are as many as 18.
But Vince somehow pulled the same version on Sunday that he'd seen on Saturday.
Look, we're not in the business of sticking our fingers square in the eye of the NFL. We love pro football, and we've been loyal followers of the NFL for decades. So since that whole "if you express legitimate dissent then you hate America" thing has not yet migrated to pro sports, we feel free to reiterate that, if Young indeed got to take the same version of the Wonderlic on Sunday that he'd seen on Saturday, then this whole thing stinks to the highest levels of heaven.
In our opinion, there's ample proof here of a clumsy cover up that had more to do with mollifying Mack Brown and less to do with preserving the draft standing of Young. And the reason for it, in our opinion, is to help the major colleges continue to push through the Dexter Manleys of the world, who somehow can be on track to graduate from a university without being able to read or to write.
The sad truth is that college football isn't about the college, but about the football. These institutions make millions off of the toil and risks and the sometimes pretty faces of a bunch of guys who get pennies on the dollar in comparison to the revenue they generate.
Yeah, they get a free education. But maybe 10 percent of them ever even would have wanted that education.
And what is education without accountability? As we've all heard over the years, student-athletes get plenty of "special treatment" in order to stay north of a 2.0 (or whatever the minimum GPA is).
So the schools have little reason to change the guys who don't, never did, and never will want to learn. They need to enable them in order to ensure that they will be eligible.
Part of the enabling includes having coaches who will scream and shout whenever there's objective evidence, such as Young's initial Wonderlic result, which might fuel the perception that many of these guys aren't going to class, aren't studying, and aren't learning.
Young sure has proven all the critics wrong. He's a blast to watch, and :wtf: , the Titans are in contention to make the playoffs after Kerry Collins started them out at 0-5. :SIB Maybe the Texans should have picked him?? He's incredibly fun to watch, and even Pacman is playing to his potential after causing so much discord in the off-season.
