WBC Championship Lucas vs Beyer

[gardenweasel]

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i said it was dicey betting against those europeans in their hometown....i lost my under 11.5 at +240 but hit on beyer at +240....a nice hedge......i`ll take it....sorry your boy got the shaft.....europe is a tough m.f.`er to win in....i`m not surprised....nor do i doubt that lucas probably deserved to win(although i didn`t see the fight)....again,sorry you got jobbed.......

 

[1837]

You can watch it on TSN. It is on tv i think right now... Boy i can't believe it...:nooo: Lucas's coach just said on TV that when he was close to Lucas between rounds when Lucas dominated easily the round before that he saw the italian judge giving the round to Beyer! He is saying it is a black eye to WBC boxing and he is piss as hell...

 

[Frogy]

calvaire

 

[1837]

It smells rotten.... The Manager of Lucas is filing an official protest. He has proofs that Beyer camp was inform of the score and in the 11th he was just avoiding Eric. He said they were a bunch of cheaters and for sure wants a rematch. Hey refs::gf:

 

[crookycymru]

1837,

Firstly let me say you are a fine capper, and I respect you a lot, but I mean no disrespect with this post.

I have just watched the fight, and you must have been watching a different fight, if you think Eric Lucas dominated this fight. If you agree to travel all the way across the world, and fight in a country like Germany, and expect to win on points, then you need to win the fight and win it well. Eric Lucas did not do this, and there was little between both fighters.

We all know hometown decisions exists in this sport, and that the final decision by the judges may well have been infulenced by the fight being staged in Germany, but there is no way this fight was fixed. Eric Lucas deserved everything he got....he did not fight like a world champ, and neither did he impose any authority on the fight. I had the result very close, which could have gone either way. I was not surprised when the decision was read out.

All in all, I think there were two poor fighters out there, and all this fight done was confirm what I already know, that Welshman Joe Calzaghe is miles ahead in terms of quality in this paticular division. These two muppets would not have gotten close to his standards!!

Hope you do not take offence, but this is just my opinion on the fight.

 

[1837]

No offense Crooky but i sure disagree with you! I guess in Europe you don't count points the way we use to in America...

I saw several times the fight and even when i'm generous to Beyer i can't give him more than 4 rounds so 116-112 Lucas at worst! Saw the commentators on TSN and they had a final on Lucas at 118 or 119 so i'm certainly not the only one who saw a one way fight there... In America, (I'm sure Fletch or anyone who is following boxing will agree) in boxing when you have to beat a Champ you have to do the following:

Be more agressive than the Champ
Throw more punch with most efficiency
Be the master of the ring (i mean be the one who use the center)
If you do the following, you should win and beat the champ.

In all these categories Beyer failed. Lucas throw more punch (ratio 2-1!) had a better rate of % than Beyerand had the center of the ring. In the 12th he even didn't throw a single punch(or 1 at best!) and 2 judges gave it to him while Lucas was trying to fight with him!!! Unbelievable! That fight was fix and we can see why Beyer escapes most of the fight, especially in the 12th; he knew he was the winner. If in Europe you give a belt to a guy who isn't agressive and try to escape the fight then you are right, Beyer won... Even Lucas admitted it wasn't his best fight but he was still the agressor, threw more punches with most efficiency but he lost... I'm sorry but i call this a fix...

WBC are watching the tapes and next weekend, you can bet your house on it! , they will announce a rematch within 90 days.

By the way, Lucas-Calzaghe, if Calzaghe wants to fight, i'm all on Lucas!!!! Lucas has never been KO by anyone. Even Tiozzo and Roy Jones couldn't KO him. He has been TKO in the 12th by Jones but he has never been down so i'm sure Lucas would love to meet your guy!

 

[british bulldog]

1837

Here in Europe the two hardest countries to win in are Italy and Germany when fighting one of their own. This has gone on for years.

Firstly, Lucas was a fool to accept the fight in Germany. Only one reason I presume and that was $$$$$$$$$$$$$.

Obviously, Lucas can't be a big star or a crowd puller otherwise American T.V. and all fight rights would have ensured this fight was in America.

And as for making outragious comments that Lucas could possibly beat Calzaghe, well I have t laugh. If this fight ever took place Calzaghe would be -600 at best in American odds, and probably closer to -800. Calzaghe is to fast, to smart and by far a greater technical boxer. Lucas may not be K.O., but he would leave the ring soundly defeated and a broken man inside.

What price was Jones when he thought Lucas because if Calzaghe and Jones ever got it on, then Jones would be a small fav of about -150, and that's if the fight was in America. However, this fight will not take place because Jones goes around shooting his mouth off, beating up on second rated punks and has stated that he does not want the fight. If your a world champ you fight the best to prove you are the best in your weight division. Jones and his camp clearly have doubts otherwise they would accept the fight.

 

[1837]

I think Jones was -1200 or so when he fought Lucas few years ago... He said after the fight that he never expected to see Lucas that tough and he said he should have been more prepare... Lucas at +400 or more vs your calzagne would be great to me! Jones at -150 ??? I'm sorry but i would jump on him at this price!

Lucas didn't went in Germany because of the money. He wanted to fight in Montreal but Beyer camp and Lucas didn't agree about the $$$ on the fight so they went on the highest bid and when they opened the enveloppe, Lucas camp saw the fight slipping through their fingers for a mere difference of ... 14000$!!! So close so close... Now that biding is costly to him...

 

[crookycymru]

1837,

You seem to be missing my point. The basis of my whole point, is that Lucas agreed to go fight in Germany. He is well aware that hometown decisions exist in boxing. If he was anywhere near as classy as you are saying he is, then he would have been intelligent enough to go there and K.O Beyer, without even having to risk a points decision. He was not good enough to do this.

I am still adamant that this fight was not a fix. In fact I am sure of this.

BB is right.....your man Lucas would come nowhere near Calzaghe. We are talking about a total different class of opponent. I watched two very poor fighters in that fight last night.....two slow boring fighters. Joe has hands that Lucas will probably not even see coming. In fact to fight Lucas or Beyer would be a backwards step for Calazghe, unless he wanted to unify the belts. That is pointless, as we all know he is a class apart in this division.

I disagree that Roy Jones Jr would be -150 against Joe. He would be long odds on, but that doesnt mean he would beat Joe. Anyway forget about that, as that fight will never happen. Joe will beat up Joppy in May, and then he has to do everything in his power to get Hopkins.....I cannot wait to see Joe beating up the arrogant Philadelphia scrapper. Cannot Wait!!

 

[1837]

1837,

. If he was anywhere near as classy as you are saying he is, then he would have been intelligent enough to go there and K.O Beyer, without even having to risk a points decision. He was not good enough to do this.


You have to admit it is hard to KO a guy that is avoiding you the whole fight!!!


(QUOTE) Originally posted by crookkycymru

I am still adamant that this fight was not a fix. In fact I am sure of this.


Explain to me then how come 2 judges gave the 12th round to Beyer!!!!! No punch on Lucas while Lucas is on him. Beyer is avoiding him and you tell me he isn't inform of the score????

To add something that you aren't inform. After the fight, Lucas's trainer knows Beyer and had a talk with him. He said: " Markus, you are a real man and you know without a doubt that what has happened here isn't right" Markus reply? He said: " I know" and then gave a small hug to Lucas's coach...

A rematch is on it's way...

 

[1837]

I've watched the fight (again! ) and in the 12th round Beyer threw 1 punch and Lucas 30.... And Beyer won that round but it isn't fix? C'mon....

 

[gardenweasel]

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it was a money issue,i believe....universum won the purse bid for the bout.....and beyer is their guy.....if beyer was the #1 contender,and lucas declines to fight in germany,i `m not really sure how it shakes out....i wish i had seen the fight....i obviously can`t give an opinion.....i`d do everything in my power to keep my guy from fighting in a contender`s home country,regardless of how easy the fight looked......a recipe for disaster....