What are the............

[phoenix566]

Is it possible to have software where posters actually enter their plays and it calculates everything for them? I have seen this elsewhere but do not know if it is proprietory or not nor what the cost of such a thing would be.

Interesting discussion fellas.....

 

[kcwolf]

Hi Padre,

I'm pretty meticulous with my records, and have better math skills than average.

Have I made a mistake - probably, sure don't try too. If you found a disparity, I feel bad and apologise vehemently. I call in plays for others, may confuse my total record, but I doubt it.

Again, if I do, please point it out! I'm not perfect, for should. Not offended if you do, point it out. I have thick skin and know what I cash each week, not here to deceive. Rather leave this place first.

I'd like to make a couple of points, one very important, mentioned many times already.

Do the work yourself. Comparing plays with solid handicappers is very admirable. I do, and not ashamed to say it. After your own work is done.

Most important thing I can contribute is emotion. If one is fortunate to learn the art of handicapping, a very on going process, one has to learn to control emotions. Been doing this for awhile, but can tell you all, I only get better at it through controlling emotions.

Do all the hard work, and it is very hard work, make your plays and let it go. You'll then get better at it because you learn from your mistakes instead of letting your emotions get out of control.

It's called staying focused. Hard to do, but thats the KEY if you do the hard work ahead of time.


Have I mentioned hard work enough. NO!

kcwolf

 

[Anders]

The discussion will go round and round and end nowhere but in a major spat...

Because this is a free, contributory site, no-one is obligated to put up stats, records, info, plays, whatever..

Those that don't have time for write-ups can't include them, those that don't keep records can't include them, those that don't want to post records won't, those that don't have reasons for plays can't...

In a perfect world, the site would be as intended - a venue for serious sports gamblers to analyse games, compare matchups, post info, advise of tips.

But this place isn't Utopia - nowhere is. You get all the chit in here you face everyday - idiots, time-wasters - just as you do smart, helpful people.

You all have your own ways of working out your wager. Yeah it's hard sorting the wheat from the chaff but that's what you have to do - there are so many outlets here; both people and info-wise, that are horrendously undervalued and unutilised.

You have to make the best of what you've got

 

[gsp]

Sports betting is just like life. All you have to do to be susessful is make the right decisions more times than the wrong decisions. I knew a very sucessful exe once that made a carear out of saying no to every new idea brought to him. He was right more times than wrong. I've been breaking even so much for the last month, I feel life I'm losing. I told a friend the other day that if he gave me five games and four would win but I could only play one, I would pick the loser. Wrong decision.

No matter how you make your decissions don't feel bad about it. You will pay if you are wrong and that's between you and your pocketbook. But I have learned this, no matter what you are trying to do, the harder you work, the more sucessful you will be.

 

[djv]

Im staying out of this one. I got enough problems haveing to arm wrestle Gator. I only have three months to get ready. You can read above my workout schedule.

Now all this stuff above. Been said over and over. Nothing new. Time to remember each has his own way. Padre you don't want your comments taken the wrong way. Seems like some tough stuff with out much proof. Better to move on don't you agree.

 

[kcwolf]

Is there a line out on this arm wrestling match yet?

 

[djv]

KCWolf, I will help you set the odds. He's one big young kid. Im one smaller sized old guy. Im hoping for 3 seconds.

 

[raz19]

just reading a book here guys that leads into your discussion and makes me think too!..not a hit on anyone just a thought!
"the gaming of humansis different than any other form of betting"... understanding the gamedoes not mean you can pick a winner."

 

[katts]

My 2 cents on this...

Your picks should be considered if:

1)You're a known solid capper and proved yourself over the years. This applies to.. what.. maybe 1% of the cappers here.

2)You attach comments with your picks including facts. Facts can be breaking news or raw stats.

An opinion like "I think that LA should easily score 3 goals tonight" is worthless if there's no fact to back it.

As for the record keeping, my view is rather clear on this: Anybody can go 5-0 with a little bit of luck. Just flip a coin 5 times. You have 1 chance out of 32 to "pick" the right side all 5 times. How many members do we have in here? A lot more than 32 anyway so it's obvious that you're gonna see some lucky streaks now and then from virtually everybody. I'll never consider someone else's picks only based on a 50 games or less positive record. It's statistically ridiculous to do so anyway. Besides, posting a positive record as a newbie is pure bragging in my book. I don't know how the guy caps the game, I don't know what is (are) his source(s) if any... worthless.

I've started to take the habit of posting my record only when it's the negative range. This way people reading my posts will know that I'm not on a good sequence and might think twice before following my picks. When I'm in the positive range, I don't feel the need to post my record and I'm sure nobody gives a monkey crap about it anyway. Sometimes when you have a huge night you'd want the entire world to know it. It's a normal reaction. Rarely appreciated but just human. I did it a couple of times myself and am not particulary proud of it. But one's credibilty should rely on the way he analyzes the game and the information he provides, not on his recent 15-6 record or on his 4-0 lucky night. Don't know how many times I've said it, but again, this place is not a contest, it's a place to share our views, stats and knowledge.

 

[Junior44]

I think the most important thing I can add to this thread is the following: If you don't incorporate discipline and solid money management techniques, I don't care how good of a handicapper you are, you will fail. Period.

Proper money management can make up for periods of poor handicapping, good handicapping will NEVER make up for poor money management.

 

[buddy]

What Junior 44 just said should be promoted to a blinking banner on this Websites Home Page.

No truer sports gambling words were ever spoken.

None.

 

[AzRusty]

Hmmmmmmmmmmm

Arm Wrestling? I might want a piece of that action.

BTW Those of you who think you are good arm wrestlers beware of auto mechanics, carpenters, plumbers, pipe fitters and welders. And uh.......chiropractors!
Anyone who works with their hands on a daily basis has a definite edge!

As far as posting records and making decisions based on a poster's record. Be aware that ANYONE with a good record or not will eventually have a really BAD day. If you do this long enough the day will come when you go 0-5 or even 0-11. I've seen it with good cappers and I've seen it with my own (stolen) selections!

Due to the streakiness or win/loss records anything can happen on a given day. I live in Arizona. If it was sunny yesterday (which it usually is) I can predict sunny for tomorrow and I SWEAR I will be right 99 per cent of the time. But then again we may have a storm that will come in and blow our damn house down!

The chance factor that I attribute to a lot of sports including NFL and soccer can be attributed to acts of GOD or the "fix" factor. Nothing you can do about it but with good money management you can overcome bad days in the long run.

Cappers overall records are useful in GENERAL terms only but are not that useful on any given day! Because ANYTHING can happen. In my opinion their overall record is irrelevant as it applies to any given day for the reasons cited above.

AzRusty

BTW Living here in Arizona I am often asked if I play golf. Nope. I have played but my usual reply is that I need to do something that is stress relieving not stress causing!
Based on my past year's experience in sports wagering it looks like I should have taken up golf instead!

 

[selkirk]

first of all Money Management is very important, at MJ there was once a forum on Money Management it got less posts than the stock forum. to bad, however you could discuss the topic for days.

as for writeups, I like writeups, but there are plenty of good cappers that do not do writeups. so are you saying you do not follow them or consider any of there plays, that is fine but it will be your loss.

as for records, I like to see them posted but again does it matter, if you follow a capper they can tell wether they have been hot or cold.

as for a detailed write up I will take a capper in a hot streak over seven pages of information any day.

thanks
selkirk

 

[Sports Junkie]

Some very good comments in the last few posts from katts, selkirk and junior. Money management is huge in my book having learned the hard way. 1, 2, 4 5 or whatever * means nothing to me. There should never be a situation where you are betting more than a unit on ANY game, period. Someone suggesting a huge play on any one game is not following good money management and might cause problems for those who don't know any better or have not learned the hard way...yet. I view these forums as a source of info so I chose to provide an explanation with my bets. Some of it is fact, and some is opinion based on the facts provided. Some might be just diarrhea of the mouth, actually. I also know that a lot of folks use forums such as this as a source for picks, and since that is the case I think an accurate record is helpful to those types of forum members. And a record over 50, 75 or 100 games is a true gauge, not one week.

One thing I would like to add is that with the implementation of Jack's new picks application, I hope that people DO NOT look at that as the end all be all of whether someone is a good capper or not. I have seen too many pissing matches on other sites involving people's records or +/- units, or real bets vs. contest picks. I hope and don't think that will be the case here, because for the most part there are quality individuals involved in these forums.

 

[katts]

Mmmh.. I was looking at my previous reply and what selkirk said. I understand that something I said isn't so clear. Here again:


1)You're a known solid capper and proved yourself over the years. This applies to.. what.. maybe 1% of the cappers here.

AND / OR

2)You attach comments with your picks including facts. Facts can be breaking news or raw stats.

Sorry for the confusion.. it's obvious that I'll always consider a pick from IE or Nolan even if there's no write-up attached.


[This message has been edited by katts (edited 11-07-2001).]

 

[Investment Executive]

Barfly,,,,won't be seeing you in Vegas this time around.....but be humble out there ok!!... be careful

....damn vultures on every corner....


Best of Luck all year round......my man!!....you deserve it as a human being!


And none of this lobbying for tennis coaching job at UNLV either......lmao!

I remember 26 years ago my first man on the phone said back to me......"don't friggin yell at me, cause you did this and that and lost"....lmao.....i said but/but/but/...he also said....


"Humble people don't think less of themselves - they just think about themselves less."


IE