What Drives Us to Gamble?

Frank White

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MAYBE THERE ISN'T AN ANSWER?

MAYBE THERE ISN'T AN ANSWER?

ALTHOUGH INTERESTING, I THINK IT IS TOO GENERAL A QUESTION. MAYBE EACH ONE OF US HAS A DIFFERENT REASON. SOME DO IT FOR FUN, FOR INVESTING, FOR THE RUSH, TO MAKE $, OR THE COMPETITION. SOME CAN'T HELP IT BECAUSE OF THE CHEMICALS IN THEIR BRAIN.

I BET IF YOU TOOK A SAMPLE OF PEOPLE WHO GAMBLED IT WOULD BE SPLIT EVENLY BETWEEN MEN AND WOMEN, WHITE AND BLACK, CATHOLIC OR MUSLIM, YOUNG OR OLD, RICH OR POOR, WHATEVER. THE REASON MORE MEN BET ON SPORTS IS BECAUSE THAT IS WHERE OUR INTERESTS LIE. SPORTS IS MERELY A VEHICLE. IF WOMEN COULD BET ON THE MISS AMERICA PAGEANT (OR WHATEVER THE HELL THEY DO ALL DAY) I'M SURE THEY WOULD (JUST AS HIGH A PERCENTAGE AS MEN WHO GAMBLE ON SPORTS ANYWAY).

GOOD TOPIC



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Nolan writes:



"The question we should ask is not -- Why do people gamble? The real question we should ask is -- Why do some people NOT gamble? Think about it. Gambling satisfies all of the basic hopes and desires in every human being -- for stimulation, excitement, human interaction, competitivelness, and the fulfillment of dreams."


Nolan, it may seem alien to you, but most peoples 'hopes and desires' are to live a decent life with their family, raise their kids properly, have enough money to put food on the table and never have to worry about a bad beat affecting their marriage. Your condescending BS is revolting and mis-guided.

Stimulation and excitement? If these are things that validate being a gambler, then you may as well stamp 'loser' on your forehead. Seriously, if those things are good traits in reference to gambling, then you are already in it for the wrong reasons. More importantly, you will lose. No question.

Human Interaction? Sure, it's great fun when you and your buds are all rooting for the same team, and all that. How many lives have been ruined by the same?

Fullfillment of dreams? Pulllease. Are you kidding here? Which kind of dreams are you talking about? Financial dreams? Yeah, right. Maybe on a very limited scale, but certainly not at any rate that would support your view of 'why wouldn't somebody gamble'? Maybe if you said 'destruction of dreams', that would make much more sense.





"He essentially says those who gamble tend to be people who embibe in living life to the fullest. Those who reject gambling (or more specifically those who are not risktakers) are the REAL losers. It's like the TV commercial says -- the biggest risk in life is NOT taking one."


As mentioned below, there are many more examples of taking risks than betting on a roll of the dice, or spin of the wheel. But besides that, why would you consider somebody who has no real chance to win, a loser?

"In my life I have met both gamblers and non-gamblers. With some exceptions, of course, I have found gamblers to be MUCH more fun loving, more open minded, more prone to enjoying life, and more fun to be around than non-gamblers."


No question. I attribute the same traits to heavy drinkers, drug addicts, prostitutes. Within these same groups, I also find a high concentration of unreliable, unstable people who are all to willing to blame their problems on their addictions/predilections and place their burdens squarely on other people. I have also found more than a few willing to welsh on bets, you included(no explanation needed, 8 people gave their opinion here at mj's and all 8 agreed with me), so please save it.


" Show me a person who doesn't gamble, and I'll show you (most of the time) a hypocrite, a person with repressed psychological issues, and a prude. Non-gamblers bore me. Gambling is living."


Your most reasonable comment in this whole post is 'non-gamblers bore me. gambling is living'. You see, that is your opinion and can't be taken away from you . All this crap about repressed psychological issues(and everything else) is a joke.

If everybody looked at things like you, we would have a society of broke mf'ers. Everything in the gambling world is based on making gamblers broke. And it works! For you to look down your nose at people who don't gamble tells a lot about your character.

I have no greater passion in this world than sports gambling, but how anybody could have such disdain for non-gamblers is absolutely incredible.

I believe you broke down one time here at MJ's how your income comes in. And this was AFTER a big pro football season(as opposed to your horrible football season last year). You said that you made something like 25 grand between poker and sports and 25 grand writing articles in that year.

If you are truly serious about life-altering 'risks' that would preclude you from being a 'loser', I would suggest that you lose the writing gigs and simply 'gamble'. Now THAT would be a risk that even you would be proud of.
 

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Chit Kosar don't ever take time to say anything good about anybody. You must have had a really bad day.
For me it started in junior bowling about 10/11 years old. I was bet 5 cents that I would miss the spare. Took the bet and missed.
Laugh about the 5 cents. However in 1953 that bought a lot of things. Box of popcorn. bottle of pop, movie ticket on saturday afternoon. That 5 cents hurt to loose. But this is what happens everyday around the world. Someone is always saying want to bet. There is somedays at work I wish I had a dollar for everytime someone says. You want to bet on that.
 

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djv said:
Chit Kosar don't ever take time to say anything good about anybody. You must have had a really bad day.
For me it started in junior bowling about 10/11 years old. I was bet 5 cents that I would miss the spare. Took the bet and missed.
Laugh about the 5 cents. However in 1953 that bought a lot of things. Box of popcorn. bottle of pop, movie ticket on saturday afternoon. That 5 cents hurt to loose. But this is what happens everyday around the world. Someone is always saying want to bet. There is somedays at work I wish I had a dollar for everytime someone says. You want to bet on that.



DJV,

Actually I had another typically great day. There can't be a truly bad day if I am alive (sounds like Fatdaddy will fix that at the SB party) and those that I love are alive. Life is great, buddy!

I realize that you may be jarred after reading original thoughts, or anything that may go against the grain. I hope that you aren't any more stunned than you appear to me to be after reading 3700 of your mumbling, incoherent, follow the leader posts.

I call 'em like I see 'em, buddy, I hope that you don't have a problem with that.
 

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No I don't think he's having a bad day just like you he is just sharing his opinion I found it to be quit interesting DJVand I don't believe the question was WHEN we started it was WHY...................... :shrug:
 

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Good point Tbonez.

DJV, this thread isn't about some 5 cent bet in 1931, the question is WHY do you bet. Or do you? And no, DJV, kissing everybodys ass does not constitute 'betting'.
 

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Traits of poker player



Male 30-65
Self Centerd
Lack of hygeine
Compulsive liar
unhealthy
insominac
grease food eater
50 lbs overweight
chain smoker
drug addict
broken family
shares a motel with 2-3 drug addicts unless is a 77 yr old farmer type
Traits of a sports better

Males 18-45
Frustrated jock
lack of sex drive
Compulsive liar
Criminally insane
suffers from hyper tension
lives in a 2 bedroom apartment and mooches off his girlfreind and family, and other victims
Traits of a slot player

Female 25-55

broken family
lower income
insomniac
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gambles away paycheck within 24hrs
Horsebettor

Male 40-75

alcholic
receives government checks
chainsmoker
mathematically challanged
shares a motel


Bookmakers 40-70

Multi marriages
Delusional
Spiritually void
self centerd
expoites other humans vulnerablity and fraility for own gain
 

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defining our terms

defining our terms

One source of disagreement on this thread about why people gamble seems to me to be due to different understandings of the term gamble. I have two particular definitions in mind, one where gambling involves games where the odds are known to be against the gambler and the other where gambling involves games where the odds are in favor of the player (or at minimum they have the potential to be). Given each of these definitions, it seems to me there would be very different types of answers.

In the first case, then, the question would be, why do we risk our money in activities that have a negative expectation.

In my experience, common reasons for this are:
1) we think we are gambling with a positive expection, but we're wrong.
2) we don't really want to gamble, but we are addicted or otherwise do not have the self-control to stop.
3) we enjoy gambling for the thrill, the social interaction, the challenge, or another of the many reasons gambling is enjoyable posted by others on this thread,
4) You might gamble according to this definition, but I don't. I only gamble when I have reasonably judged that I have a positive expectation.

For myself, and I imagine for all except the most disciplined gamblers, all four of these play a part at least occasionally.

In the second case, as others have mentioned, gambling on sports can be seen as equivalent to conducting any other type of business, where the goal is managing risk to make money. The question here would be: Why risk your money in traditional gambling activities where the business has been built on eliminating the gambler's advantage and thus the chances of great wealth are limited; there is a cultural stigma against it; and the high ups and downs, the potential for poor judgment, and other factors make traditional gambling an ideal activity for loss of control and moral degredation?

In my experience, some of the common answers to this question are:
1) I know gambling better than any other type of business, so I have a better chance to make a living at it.
2) Gambling is the only profession that allows me to be my own boss, to answer to no one, to set my own hours, etc.
3) I enjoy gambling more than I enjoy other types of business, so I get to do what I love, but if I didn't have a positive expectation, I wouldn't do it.

Along with these three responses, people will often rebut or respond to my claims of inability to earn a lot, cultural stigma, and potential loss of judgment or control with some variation on the following:

4) You are wrong, there is the possibility to make great money in gambling, and it's actually easier than in the stock market or other traditional professions where there is much greater competition specifically because the cultural stigma against gambling keeps many of the potential competitors out.

5) The cultural stigma is bullshit, and I will not change my behavior because of it. Many gamblers are more honorable than the vast majority of non-gamblers because keeping to their word has much more value among gamblers, and they have a much clearer sense of the "value" of money, since they lose and win so much on regular basis.

6) While the loss of control was at one time an issue (or still is), I have methods to manage this that I am confident work. Or, I am not susceptible to this because I don't enjoy and am not affected by the ups and downs and potential risk of gambling. (I am doubtful this latter type of person, one who is unaffected by the gambling, actually exists--at least if they gamble on a regular bases).

I'd love to hear dissenting views or other reasons for gambling both with or without a positive expectation.
 

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Why Do I Bet. Because someone said do you want to bet. It's common nature to say hell yes lets bet. Now I bet on more things then I ever thought possiable.
In fact I bet Kosar you are a general ass hole everday of your life.
Kosar you don't call anything the way you see it. You just say a bunch of chit and then deside it must be correct. Good for you. Some may not agree.
 
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