What might have been

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I thought this was an interesting read from the blog of Prof. Bainbridge who is a corporate law professor at UCLA.

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What might have been

It's time for us conservatives to face facts. George W. Bush has pissed away the conservative moment by pursuing a war of choice via policies that border on the criminally incompetent. We control the White House, the Senate, the House of Representatives, and (more-or-less) the judiciary for one of the few times in my nearly 5 decades, but what have we really accomplished? Is government smaller? Have we hacked away at the nanny state? Are the unborn any more protected? Have we really set the stage for a durable conservative majority?

Meanwhile, Bush continues to insult our intelligence with tripe like this:

"Our troops know that they're fighting in Iraq, Afghanistan, and elsewhere to protect their fellow Americans from a savage enemy," Bush said in his weekly radio address. {Ed: Full text here}

"They know that if we do not confront these evil men abroad, we will have to face them one day in our own cities and streets, and they know that the safety and security of every American is at stake in this war," he said.

I guess that's all he has left. After all, if Iraq's alleged WMD programs were the casus belli, why aren't we at war with Iran and North Korea? Not to mention Pakistan, which remains the odds-on favorite to supply the Islamofascists with a working nuke. If Saddam's cruelty to his own people was the casus belli, why aren't we taking out Kim Jong Il or any number of other nasty dictators? Indeed, what happened to the W of 2000, who correctly proclaimed nation building a failed cause and an inappropriate use of American military might? And why are we apparently going to allow the Islamists to write a more significant role for Islamic law into the new Iraqi constitution? If throwing a scare into the Saudis was the policy, so as to get them to rethink their deals with the jihadists, which has always struck me as the best rationale for the war, have things really improved on that front?

The trouble with Bush's justification for the war is that it uses American troops as fly paper. Send US troops over to Iraq, where they'll attract all the terrorists, who otherwise would have come here, and whom we'll then kill. This theory has proven fallacious. The first problem is that the American people are unwilling to let their soldiers be used as fly paper. If Iraq has proven anything, it has confirmed for me the validity of the Powell Doctrine.

Essentially, the Doctrine expresses that military action should be used only as a last resort and only if there is a clear risk to national security by the intended target; the force, when used, should be overwhelming and disproportionate to the force used by the enemy; there must be strong support for the campaign by the general public; and there must be a clear exit strategy from the conflict in which the military is engaged.

Powell based this strategy for warfare in part on the views held by his former boss in the Reagan administration, Secretary of Defense Caspar Weinberger, and also on his own experience as a major in Vietnam. That protracted campaign, in Powell's view, was representative of a war in which public support was flimsy, the military objectives were not clear, overwhelming force was not used consistently, and an exit strategy was ill defined.

Sounds a lot like Iraq doesn't it? Public support for the war is sliding. We're not using a fraction of our military potential, and there seems to be no clear viable long-term goal or exit strategy. {Update: On the issue of whether we're using our full military potential, Victor Davis Hanson observes: "throughout this conflict the United States has been apprehensive that it was becoming too brutal in its effort even as the Islamic fascists were convinced that we were too weak to fight such a war."}

The second problem is that the fly paper strategy seems to be radicalizing our foes even more. For every fly that gets caught, it seems as though 10 more spring up. This should hardly come as a surprise to anybody who has watched Israel pursue military solutions to its terrorist problems, after all. Does anybody really think Israel's military actions have left Hezbollah or Hamas with fewer foot soldiers? To the contrary, the London bombing suggests to me that it is only a matter of time before the jihadists strike in the US again, even though our troops remain hung out as fly paper in the Augean Stables of Iraq. {Update: The news that Scotland Yard foiled a gas attack on the House of Commons, for which the Yard deserves mega-kudos, doesn't change my mind. As the climax of Tom Clancy's novel Debt of Honor suggests (and I still wonder of that inspired 9/11), the terrorists only need to win once. Conversely, the latest news about that rocket attack on a US Navy ship in Jordan seems to confirm my concerns: "The Abdullah Azzam Brigades -- an al-Qaida-linked group that claimed responsibility for the bombings which killed at least 64 people at Sharm el-Sheik in July and 34 people at two other Egyptian resorts last October -- said in an Internet statement that its fighters had fired the Katyushas, bolstering concerns that Islamic extremists had opened a new front in the region." Indeed, the NYT reports that: "The possible involvement of Iraqis and the military-style attack have raised fears that militants linked to Iraq's insurgency may be operating on Jordanian soil."}

While we remain bogged down in Iraq, of course, Osama bin Laden remains at large somewhere. Multi-tasking is all the rage these days, but whatever happened to finishing a job you started? It strikes me that catching Osama would have done a lot more to discourage the jihadists than anything we've done in Iraq.

What really annoys me, however, are the domestic implications of all this. The conservative agenda has advanced hardly at all since the Iraq War began. Worse yet, the growing unpopularity of the war threatens to undo all the electoral gains we conservatives have achieved in this decade. Stalwarts like me are not going to vote for Birkenstock wearers no matter how bad things get in Iraq, but what about the proverbial soccer moms? Gerrymandering probably will save the House for us at least through the 2010 redistricting, but what about the Senate and the White House?

In sum, I am not a happy camper. I'm very afraid that 100 years from now historians will look back at W's term and ask "what might have been?"
 

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Well, he's a conservative, and I think he brings up some good points, mainly the validity of the Powell Doctrine among other issues.
 

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DTB only reads the NYT.

True conservatives who are not too stubborn to accept reality tend to agree with this article. Spending and government size have never been bigger. After 5 years, I'm still waiting for the conservative George W Bush to emerge. He's not conservative with finance, resources, the bnorder, or the military - only religion.
 

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in what way has the guy done anything conservative with religion?

i would venture to say that he is not a conservative in anything
 

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His conservative religious views curbed stem-cell research, for one.
 

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He got the religious vote.....they actually thought he was religious... :mj07:

Dubya follow the Powell Doctrine? Nah, just go to war and make $hit up as we go... :mj07:
 

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"Far as I got on article was law professor from UCLA"

:mj07: :mj07: :mj07: :mj07: :mj07: :mj07:
 

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dr. freeze said:
nah not really

stem cell research has many more intrinsic "curves" that must be overcome first

Can you expand on your comments above because I was thinking along the lines of what Smurphy said? I would be interested hearing about this from a physicians perspective. Also, I just saw a story on the news about Harvard Researchers turning skin cells into stem cells. story Any thoughts on this?
 

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complications

very hard to control stem cells which do not quickly dedifferentiate into very aggressive undifferentiated invasive cancer

sure you can make them do what you want for a while but how do you control them

we need to understand tumor genetics much more than we do and how to turn things on and off at a molecular level before we start messing with this
 

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Wasn't there some sort of breathrough in South Korea recently in stem cell research? ,,,Something that could/should have happened here?

If Bush's stance on stem cells isn't religious, then what is the source of his view?
 

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Ok You got me to do some research on him and you are correct--he is basically a conservative and not the left coast loon I erroniously thought. My bad on jumping to conclusions--
Here is another recent quote by him--

"Certainly, when a GOP President's major domestic accomplishments are the biggest expansion of entitlement programs in decades (the Medicare bill) and the biggest expansion of the federal role in regulating corporate governance (Sarbanes-Oxley), this sort of pessimism seems well-taken. (OTOH, I agree completely with a point LaShawn Barber made a while back and in another context: "All I can say for Big Government Bush is that he?s still light-years better than John Kerry would have been." Which is precisely why I (a) don't regret voting for him (twice) but (b) think people like LaShawn are doing the Lord's work (so to speak) in holding Bush's feet to the conservative fire. Which is precisely what I'm trying to do, even though some trolls from my side of the poltiical spectrum seem to think that any disagreement with W puts me into bed with either the paleos or the Birkenstockers.)"
 

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What I worry about is they might clone me. And I come back as a jack rabbit in Arizona.
Yes other countries are getting ahead of us in research that can help many. Lest hope who ever gets there with help for those in need does soon. I wish it was us.
 

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DOGS THAT BARK said:
Far as I got on article was law professor from UCLA ;)

To be totally honest, me too!

But I must say that the feeling that Bush is too liberal is hard to dismiss. I rarely see of any policy that he has made that is strictly conservative. Giving in to peer presure? Or is he like Daddy? And, peer pressure frome whom, Stevie D and Sheehan?

Again, knowing what I know now of how the Bush admin, has lowered themselves to fit leftist agendas, I'd still have voted for him over the Kerry/Dean/Moore group a million times. Man, damn republicans have got to know that they can do whatever they want and fuqk up big time and still will win the elections with the current sad state of the democratic party. We really need a thrid party - conservative party-, badly.
 

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dr. freeze said:
we need to understand tumor genetics much more than we do and how to turn things on and off at a molecular level before we start messing with this

Thanks for your reponse, how far away are we from learning how to turn things on and off at a molecular level?

Smurphy, is this what you're talking about? story
 

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LUX--

my buddy just bought a house a few months ago on Starcatchers Drive there in Woodstock. Anywhere near you?

Caught the opening few minutes of Tucker Carlson's show last night and he was arguing this very point. He is a conservative and he doesn't see much conservatism coming from W's policies on any policy matter.
Very rarely agree with Carlson on anything (I do on this point) but of all the political talking heads on the boob tube, he is the one I most enjoy watching.
 

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Redsfann, I checked on yahoo maps and Starcatchers Drive isn't coming up. I live right on the border of Marietta and Woodstock. He came down just in time for summer. LOL It's been as hot as a mofo lately.
 

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Dream catcher, star catcher, one of those...LMFAO!
He lives on Dreamcatcher Dr, my bad....

He said you were really wet this spring/summer, while we here suffered through the worst drought in recorded history.

Finally mowed my grass on Sunday for the 1st time since early May...

I was down there over the New Years holiday last year when he still lived on Lexington Parke Dr.
 

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Damn, I wish I didn't have to mow since May! LOL! Yeah, we've been getting a ton of rain down here. We had a drought a couple of years ago, which sucked big time. Have you tried doing a rain dance? :spotting: :em71:
 
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