What specifically should I not like about Ron Paul?

[Chadman]

Every time I read something he writes, listen to what he says, study his grasp and command of history and government, I can appreciate and understand his position and opinion. Most of the time I agree completely with him. Leaning to the left, I'm sure I'd have problems of some of his positions, but I'm looking for specifics to look at. I know some here rate him as a moonbat with outlandish beliefs and ideas, so step up with your "stuff."

I have a pretty good idea that I could not support Romney and especially not Perry, and Bachmann remains a ludicrous choice. I'm not really happy with Obama, as I think he fell short in some areas I was hoping he would use his pulpit for. That, and I honestly think a more conservative view will be important economically to help us get out of this mess. Within reason, of course. So, let me have it - why don't you like Ron Paul?

 

[Lumi]

I have one Chad.

He is too old.

He has brought the "TRUE TEA PARTY" forward, which the Teabaagers have ripped off, violated and raped it's true ideals.

Ron Paul is up in years, but young at heart.

He connects with all generations.

Can I find another fault with the man? :shrug:

I hope this isn't a timed exam?

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[The Sponge]

Against regulations. This can work in most countries in the world but we breed the best and brightest crooks hands down bar none. Actually they are not that bright but there is no one with any balls to throw them in jail.

 

[Chadman]

That could be a good point, Sponge. What regulations, specifically?

 

[Duff Miver]

Some of RP's ideas are right on the money-

He's opposed to interventionist wars, opposed to our global military presence, opposed the so-called "Patriot" Act. Good.

He would downsize the military. Good.

He's for smaller government. Good.

He's opposed to our unwavering support of Israel. Good.

He wants to put our currency back on the gold standard. That's not only nutsy, it's impossible to use a currency tied to a commodity which can go up/down in huge moves.

He's in favor of a 23% national sales tax. That's death to the middle class.

He wants to eliminate the Fed. That would make our financial credibility below Greece's.

He thinks Rowe v. Wade should be overturned.

He's a flaming racist - "Given the inefficiencies of what DC laughingly calls the criminal justice system, I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal."

He wants to legalize heroin, and I assume crack too. Nutsy.

But, hey he's not as bad as some (Palin, Santorum, Gingrich), and better than many.

 

[azbob]

Ron Paul is not the perfect candidate but, he is the clear choice among The Obama and the Rep slate.

He believes in the consitution and the limits on government therein. He believes in personal responsibility.

He does favor a national sales tax to REPLACE the hidden taxes we all pay now that add up to far more than 23%. His programs will also return more money to the states which will allow them to either defer or decrease taxes.

He favors some drug legalization which is a great, logical and needed idea...how many Americans need to go to jail for minor possession?

He believes the courts should decide Roe v. Wade. Liberals always bring up the potential for overturning this ruling but, the Bush's were in office for 12 years and it didn't even come up in a realistic way.

He also believes in tolerance meaning the US can't dictate the rules, laws and customs of other nations...we have no right and the US government shouldn't do the same for its citizens.

He wants to eliminate alot of Federal agencies. A side note, it is so lucky we have the Fed in place so we don't have a serious financial meltdown!!!

The dollar tied to gold would eliminate the wide fluxuations as it would be tied to some performance not tied to fear. Besides, then the US could not print money to spend instead of making tough decisions.

The age question is a red herring with no need to address.

Best of all, he has core convictions which we can expect him to follow in all situations and, we can expect him to lead.

Had to edit to address the racist question but, that came from Duff. The Obama's election allows him to make this arguement on every issue to every poster (which I know you all realize) so there is no need to address that drivel.

 

[Duff Miver]

He believes the courts should decide Roe v. Wade.

Wake up, azzbob. The SCOTUS, the highest court in the land, has already decided RvW. RP wants to reverse that decision.


He wants to eliminate alot of Federal agencies. A side note, it is so lucky we have the Fed in place so we don't have a serious financial meltdown!!!

Yes, it is. With no Fed, we could do this -

The dollar tied to gold would eliminate the wide fluxuations as it would be tied to some performance not tied to fear.

Right, gold doesn't fluctuate. LMAO!

The age question is a red herring with no need to address.

Best of all, he has core convictions which we can expect him to follow in all situations and, we can expect him to lead.

Had to edit to address the racist question but, that came from Duff.

Ron Paul is, no question, and by his own words, a flaming racist. He didn't learn it from Obama.

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[ssd]

Going back to the gold standard is not an option.

Do you think that the debt we carry now, that we can not pay, we will convert and be payable in gold only? Seriously?

Every foreign holder of US debt could demand to be paid on gold - it would destroy the US.


An example is the Euro - when the euro was formed, all the member nations converted their debt into Euros. It dramatically increased the debt burden of those nations - like Greece and Spain and Italy - look where they are now.

They used to be able to depreciate the value of their currency to depreciate the value of their debt but with the euro, the currency has appreciated and so has their debt burden.

Gold standard is not an option.

I dislike the FED but they are the only thing that gives the USD any credibility. Ending the FED would put the power of money creation back into the hands of Congress. I think, at this point, the FED is a better option.

 

[The Sponge]

That could be a good point, Sponge. What regulations, specifically?

He says he is against every regulation so pick ur choice. He says let the markets fix themselves. In an honest world this works. This isn't an honest world. Kinda like he wants to legalize drugs. At one time i agreed with this until i had to deal first hand with a drug addict. The addict once told me with a straight face that drugs should be legal and who is the gov't to tell people what they can buy. This guy would have bought every pill he could have gotten his hands on and although he was suffering from his addiction, a bunch of us were suffering from it also. :facepalm:

 

[Trench]

Every time I read something he writes, listen to what he says, study his grasp and command of history and government, I can appreciate and understand his position and opinion. Most of the time I agree completely with him. Leaning to the left, I'm sure I'd have problems of some of his positions, but I'm looking for specifics to look at. I know some here rate him as a moonbat with outlandish beliefs and ideas, so step up with your "stuff."

I have a pretty good idea that I could not support Romney and especially not Perry, and Bachmann remains a ludicrous choice. I'm not really happy with Obama, as I think he fell short in some areas I was hoping he would use his pulpit for. That, and I honestly think a more conservative view will be important economically to help us get out of this mess. Within reason, of course. So, let me have it - why don't you like Ron Paul?

Chad, as much as I love Ron Paul's views on foreign policy, many of his views on domestic and social issues concern me.

Please watch this clip by Thom Hartmann. You'll be glad you did.

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[Trench]

Another excellent clip from Thom Hartmann:

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[The Sponge]

Chad, as much as I love Ron Paul's views on foreign policy, many of his views on domestic and social issues concern me.

Please watch this clip by Thom Hartmann. You'll be glad you did.

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i have been saying this for twenty years. All these shitbags who cry about socialism and the govt and how it doesn't woirk. I always said how can it work when one side tries as hard as it can to show it doesn't work. You can't have a good program and then the other side comes in and dismantles it. How can that possibly work with anything? It is just another way this stupid fuking country gets played like pigeons. This is why i have a problem with Paul. He has some good ideas but some dangerously bad ones.

 

[azbob]

Wow...Thom Hartmann references...next you all will be quoting MSNBC...I guess it is tough to be in the super minority.

I decided to jump into this thread as it was a reasoned discussion of a topic of interest to me.

Then we have sponge with usually name calling in lieu of a point.

Duff...if you want to actually read my post, I noted that the flucuations in gold have the potential to be impacted, not that gold does not flucuate. My note on his view on abortion is exactly right. He is pro-life (what are you Duff pro-abortion?) but, believes it is a state/court decision and, just as I said, his impact on that issue would be the same as both President Bush's. Paul is a medical doctor.

Trench...thank you for some thoughtful comments.

FYI...The Daily Show had a very good piece on how Paul is being frozen out by the media. It repeats a couple times today.

 

[ImFeklhr]

i have been saying this for twenty years. All these shitbags who cry about socialism and the govt and how it doesn't woirk. I always said how can it work when one side tries as hard as it can to show it doesn't work. You can't have a good program and then the other side comes in and dismantles it. How can that possibly work with anything? It is just another way this stupid fuking country gets played like pigeons. This is why i have a problem with Paul. He has some good ideas but some dangerously bad ones.

Yeah, but actually watch the video. It start off with a conclusion and does little back it up. I am not going to disagree that most Republicans run government terribly. And maybe could even get behind them sabotaging it. But they did not invent poor performing government.

Take San Francisco for example. Completely left leaning town with a huge municipal government, that has grown way above the rate of population growth or inflation over the past 10 years. With all that growth it should have brought solutions to many many problems, but it can quite honestly be argued that the money went to very narrow special interest groups with plenty of corruption and grifting. Not a Chicago level perhaps, but look beyond just Federal government, and look at situations where government budgets did increase in a Democrat preferred way and check out the results. Mixed at best.

 

[The Sponge]

Then we have sponge with usually name calling in lieu of a point.

y.

My name calling always comes with points so get use to it ass face. It is the only way to deal with u country killing naive creeps.

 

[azbob]

I think most agree ImFek that a balanced approach will work best...now, it seems we have to choose between two extremes. I think even those who did not support The Obama were optimistic that his rehetoric would result in consensus building...unfortunately he has proven to be too weak a leader.

Sponge...your inane posts only reinforce sterotypes of idiot liberals and nutty, hypocritical jesus freaks. Thanks for your double header support.

 

[The Sponge]

I think most agree ImFek that a balanced approach will work best...now, it seems we have to choose between two extremes. I think even those who did not support The Obama were optimistic that his rehetoric would result in consensus building...unfortunately he has proven to be too weak a leader.

Sponge...your inane posts only reinforce sterotypes of idiot liberals and nutty, hypocritical jesus freaks. Thanks for your double header support.

Thanks for the kind words azzbreath

 

[The Sponge]

Take San Francisco for example. Completely left leaning town with a huge municipal government, that has grown way above the rate of population growth or inflation over the past 10 years. With all that growth it should have brought solutions to many many problems, but it can quite honestly be argued that the money went to very narrow special interest groups with plenty of corruption and grifting. Not a Chicago level perhaps, but look beyond just Federal government, and look at situations where government budgets did increase in a Democrat preferred way and check out the results. Mixed at best.

I agree with ya ImFek. It is like the post office. A finely tune running machine that now has some problems because of the Internet. Dems will just let it keep running while not making adjustments and the Republicans will try to dismantle it just so a select few can make a profit.

 

[ImFeklhr]

I agree with ya ImFek. It is like the post office. A finely tune running machine that now has some problems because of the Internet. Dems will just let it keep running while not making adjustments and the Republicans will try to dismantle it just so a select few can make a profit.

The exact reason we could use a fresh approach from someone like Ron Paul... or just anyone who is open to doing things differently. The two party system breeds so little innovation and constructiveness. :0008

 

[ssd]

Sponge:
Borders was using an 1980's business model and went under.

The USPS is using a 19xx model. Why should they be kept running on the taxpayer dime? You already have to pay for the postage. Why should they get more of your $?

I would rather see them raise the cost of postage so you truly know what it is costing you to send a letter.

There are 3 post offices within an 8 mile radius close to me. No need for that. Seriously - consolidate it them into 1. I'm sure that can happen all across the US.

Do you really need mail delivery every day? I mentioned this back in 2007. Cut out Wednesday and Saturday delivery. Just the cost savings alone on the gas would make it worth it. Wednesdays all I get is junk mail anyway.


Anyway - not meaning to derail - need some new, fresh ideas and minds in DC.

Status quo sucks