What we learned from the Pats loss?

[big joe]

Woodson, I've lost two of my largest wagers on two huge NE favorite games, this one and the superbowl where they lost outright to the giants.
Seems NE has trouble playing the big favorite in big games (playoffs and superbowl). The "no trash-talking" rules, while I like the way he manages this team off the field, just might be an emotional advantage to the upcoming opponent.
Whatever it is, I'll stay away from the next NE game where there is a big line and it looks too good.
GL

 

[gjn23]

i learned that tom brady is turning into payton manning more and more

he's now 0-3 in his last 3 playoff games and his teams have scored about a combined 42 points (while putting up record setting numbers during those regular seasons)

for their careers, i still say brady is vastly superior to manning when it matters most....the playoffs.

 

[TeeMo]

I didn't learn that i knew that. The Jets have a terrible punter a terrible Kicker and average defense and a below average quarterback. What they had going for them is a superstar crooked quarterback who was told to lose that game like the good soldier he is. He totally forgot how to play and those sacks were hilarious. They were showing guys open down field but unlike Ben who was throwing darts Brady for some reason was holding the ball or throwing balls in the ground. It really is sad that people just refuse to accept this but that is life and money rules in this country.

So you are saying that Brady lost this game on purpose.....:facepalm:

Come on man.......that's just ridiculous.

 

[3 Seconds]

Record wise it looked like a mismatch.Think about it ,the Pats streak of wins at home and Brady's no interception streak of passes stays intact for the regular season while the one that really matters the playoffs does not.

Jets made championship game last year so its not like this is uncharted waters for them.Will be interesting this week as the shoe will be on the foot meaning the Jets beat Pitt a few weeks earlier.

Can Ryan win the big one that gets them to SB or will he be known as just another Jets coach couldn't get past the hump?I know this much its time to move forward and get ready for Pitt.The NE game is over.

I learned that without cheating the Pats cant win a big game.

 

[Woodson]

Sponge, while I appreciate the comments, I ask that you predict it before the game rather than after the score is decided.

It isn't productive as a gambler to play the fix card in this thread and only invites further comments.

I do appreciate you adding to the discussion however, let's keep the fix angle out of it.

I remember texting Lawthan, "This is too easy" after the Chicago game.

Looking back with all sides played covering with ease, I should have put in a middle bet for Jets +9 so Pats +1 and Jets +9.

I got greedy and it is NEVER that easy over a complete game schedule.

I knew better and ignored it.

Thanks for the discussion everyone.

:0074

 

[The Sponge]

Sponge, while I appreciate the comments, I ask that you predict it before the game rather than after the score is decided.

It isn't productive as a gambler to play the fix card in this thread and only invites further comments.

I do appreciate you adding to the discussion however, let's keep the fix angle out of it.

I remember texting Lawthan, "This is too easy" after the Chicago game.

Looking back with all sides played covering with ease, I should have put in a middle bet for Jets +9 so Pats +1 and Jets +9.

I got greedy and it is NEVER that easy over a complete game schedule.

I knew better and ignored it.

Thanks for the discussion everyone.

:0074

i never saw ur post were u asked for this prediction. I don't read them all. I had the Jets but i had the under as well.

 

[yyz]

I didn't learn that i knew that. The Jets have a terrible punter a terrible Kicker and average defense and a below average quarterback. What they had going for them is a superstar crooked quarterback who was told to lose that game like the good soldier he is. He totally forgot how to play and those sacks were hilarious. They were showing guys open down field but unlike Ben who was throwing darts Brady for some reason was holding the ball or throwing balls in the ground. It really is sad that people just refuse to accept this but that is life and money rules in this country.

Once again, Peckerbreath couldn't manage to post his "insight", until it was "hindsight".

What a tremendous addition to the thread, as always.


:0074

 

[MadJack]

Nice call, Sponge! :0074

 

[BobbyBlueChip]

i never saw ur post were u asked for this prediction. I don't read them all. I had the Jets but i had the under as well.

Sponge completely missed all the posts the last 3 years of yyz and Jack asking for his plays ahead of time. . . . Standing order from now on, Sponge.

We want all your plays. . . all of them.

And Woody, the take away from this game is that things that happen about 20% of the time happen about every fifth game. If you spend time worrying about not being square, you'll lose more than you win.

 

[lowell]

interception on first pats drive was huge. i did not care for the play even as it was developing. there were pounding the ball and having success. trickery was not needed. if pats score first i think the whole outcome would have been different. the pats not winning the game straight up or covering the -2.5 pt tease i had going ruined my wagering month. makes me realize how little i understand sports predicting.

 

[MadJack]

Sponge completely missed all the posts the last 3 years of yyz and Jack asking for his plays ahead of time. . . . Standing order from now on, Sponge.

We want all your plays. . . all of them.

And Woody, the take away from this game is that things that happen about 20% of the time happen about every fifth game. If you spend time worrying about not being square, you'll lose more than you win.

There's another post from Sponge about last year's superbowl. LAST YEAR!

It seems that information was posted by the Shrink that Billy Walters was on the COLTS big so Shrink released that information.

It turns out that Billy was on the Saints for 3.5 million as it was discussed on the 60 minutes article.

Sponge didn't fall for any of that crap because he KNEW BW would not play the square play so he went with the Saints ML as well.

Another great call, Sponge :0074

Guys, you have to learn how to read between the lines. Sheese! :SIB

 

[MadJack]

I just have to steal Sponge's favorite line.

You can't make this shit up :142smilie :mj07:

 

[Emersonboozer]

I didn't learn that i knew that. The Jets have a terrible punter a terrible Kicker and average defense and a below average quarterback. What they had going for them is a superstar crooked quarterback who was told to lose that game like the good soldier he is. He totally forgot how to play and those sacks were hilarious. They were showing guys open down field but unlike Ben who was throwing darts Brady for some reason was holding the ball or throwing balls in the ground. It really is sad that people just refuse to accept this but that is life and money rules in this country.

I am totally convinced that what you say is true Sponge. I mean where was that Tom Brady enthusiasm and fire? He looked dejected the whole game and he was falling down on some of those scrambles with very little contact.

I could have easily been on the "sucker" end of this if I didnt understand the underground nature of sports betting.:toast:

 

[NBA_Kid]

`Overrated `

 

[sds222]

Overrated, maybe but they were on a roll and had beaten all comers. Their last 8 games they stomped just about everyone, including Pit, Ind, Jets, GB, And Chi. They beat Blt. and S.D. earlier in the the year.

So they pretty much beat all the remaining teams. The regular season might be overrated here.

I think maybe the bye week actually hurt them because of the roll they were on. Plus law of averages I think come into play, you can't keep playing at that level without a hiccup eventually coming. Just like the un-defeated season. I was hoping down the stretch Brady would throw a pick and they would lose and have a bad game to get it out of their system so to speak.
Nothing invigorates you like a loss or an ass kicking in my opinion. Otherwise human nature takes over and as a group the inevitable letdown.

 

[hogman14]

Last three Patriots playoff games have been ugly.

Many reasons.

First and foremost: The team wasn't as hungry. 2007. Who wanted it more? The Giants. Last year when Baltimore comes in here and stomps on your head, same thing. This year, no one's talking about the Jets except themselves. Same thing.

2007. The Superteam. At the end of the day, bunch of scrubs who didn't want to play together as a team. Adalius Thomas, Randy Moss. No "championship" pedigree. Yeah, they were destroying teams, but late that year, teams were catching up, and at the end of the day, they figured out the blueprint.

2009. Same story. This, plus being down 3 scores in the first quarter really hurts ones game plan.

2010. Tide's turning. Getting rid of some dead weight. No more Thomas, Moss, Springs, Burgess. Young team. Very inexperienced. Say what you want about BB, but he made his young guys play and turned their weakness (inexperience) into a strength (getting them to buy into his system).

So how did they lose? If Crumpler catches the TD, and they go up 7-0, you have a different game. Pressure was brought all over the place, and the Patriots were made one dimensional. During they year, they used the pass to open up the run. The Jets gave them the run all day, and it just was not successful for the Patriots.

Hats off to the Jets. Played a hell of a game. And outschemed Belichick twice this year. Kudos.

Overrated? A little bit perhaps, but they did destroy some pretty talented teams, on the road, and at home.

We've learned also that defense wins championships. This is not to say that the new mark of a champ is going to be the 2000 Ravens again, since I think that may have been too lopsided the other way, but it certainly won't be last years Saints. Look at all the remaining teams in the playoffs, top defenses.

The Patriots are no longer the underdog, a role which they thrived in. 2001: the really ultimate underdog story. 2003: Still a lot of people not convinced. 2004 team was probably the best of this 2000+era pats. They used to come out and say they were disrespected, but that team was an absolute wagon. The real difference? Those teams were defense first, offense second.

Roles reversed now, and unless they're playing from ahead, they're running into issues.

Congrats to the Jets, hopefully you can beat Big Ben and his broke head.

 

[The Sponge]

There's another post from Sponge about last year's superbowl. LAST YEAR!

It seems that information was posted by the Shrink that Billy Walters was on the COLTS big so Shrink released that information.

It turns out that Billy was on the Saints for 3.5 million as it was discussed on the 60 minutes article.

Sponge didn't fall for any of that crap because he KNEW BW would not play the square play so he went with the Saints ML as well.

Another great call, Sponge :0074

Guys, you have to learn how to read between the lines. Sheese! :SIB

ur twisting my words around Jackie. Im not saying i knew Walters was on the Saints i said anyone who is worth a salt in handicapping would have not taking the Square play of Indy. Shrink rarely bet Square so we were calling him out on it as bullshit. Shrink earlier in that year admitted he gave out the opposite sides of plays and guys said he was a dirtbag for doing it. So u can see why a few of us didn't believe him when he said Walters bet big on the Indy ML. I don't know who was lying but my opinion was that Shrink got duped or he was bullshitting. As for my picks. What happen to the year we were posting plays of the week and i was something like 16-2 or some shit? How quickly we forget.

 

[MadJack]

and i was something like 16-2 or some shit? How quickly we forget.

:facepalm:

opcorn2

 

[The Sponge]

I am totally convinced that what you say is true Sponge. I mean where was that Tom Brady enthusiasm and fire? He looked dejected the whole game and he was falling down on some of those scrambles with very little contact.

I could have easily been on the "sucker" end of this if I didnt understand the underground nature of sports betting.:toast:

Boozer i know ya do that is why i came in the thread cause i saw ur name. Can u imagine a guy playing the way Brady has been playing and all of the sudden play like that? :0002 Throwing behind guys, taking terrible sacks like all of the sudden the Jets knew how to cover people. His first two drives he scored as easily as ya can. These guys do what they are told and they can't do shit about it. If everyone was on the Jets Brady would have been Brady and torched them like DID on the first drives to make it look good. I was surprised he scored at the end tho cause i thought the books wanted that under also. U see his passes at the end:0002 Like the old Brady. The jets are not that good and that defense is mediocre at best. Every year the biggest upset happens in each round. This year shit Seattle beat the superbowl champs :0002 Then the Jets beat NE.:0002 Last year it was shitty Arizona winning and boy their was a ton of money bet on GBay that game where the line moved like four points.

 

[The Sponge]

:facepalm:

opcorn2

They are documented on ur very site :shrug: Might have even been 18-2. Couple years ago. Scotty said he didnt believe me and was gonna look them up and i never heard a word about it again :mj07: