What's your favorite book for

[redsfann]

betting bases? I've got a couple that I really like and will again use this baseball season, but always looking for one or two more. If you have a favorite that doesn't advertise here and you'd think its worth a mention, get my e-mail addy from Jack and drop me a line.

Before doing that however-- make sure your favorite book has dime lines until at least -175. Don't care about any bonuses and I always use either neteller or western union to fund any book I use.

thanks in advance for any responses.....

 

[gman2]

vipsports.com is outstanding for baseball.
theyre the first book i ever used online, and i still use them to this day. i think thats the best compliment i can give them. with all the new books popping up and all the books that are out there, ive found no reason to not give them my action.

best aspects of their book:

* they offer a dimeline
* they put their lines up overnight
* their customer service is definitely the best of any book ive ever used on the net
* their payouts are simple as hell. you dont have to talk to anyone to request the payout. just click on whatever you want to withdraw and the method and its processed right away
* site is easy to use

hope that helps. ive been very pleased with them and have used em for about 4 or 5 years now. if you need anything else, feel free to get my addy from jack. (btw- i also use western union with them, and they pick up half the fees if you send less than 300 and all the fees if you send over 300)

 

[DR STRANGELOVE]

www.planetpinnacle.com

lowest vig out there, 10% sign up bonus, Excellent cst service, tehy cover all fees assuming deposit is over $300.00
Dime line up to -170..

do a search on here and there are many great posts full of info..

 

[TORONTO-VIGILANTE]

great info guys....lookin for a new book to add to my collection...

right anthony???

 

[DR STRANGELOVE]

lookin for a new book to add to my collection...

right anthony???

the world MUST be coming to an end...

 

[redsfann]

Thanks guys......


Have used VIP for a while now, and will check out Pinnacle. Good luck with the bases this summer.....

 

[Nick Douglas]

I would caution against using Pinnacle if you use several books. I know this sounds stupid, but if you shop for lines, it seems like every time Pinnacle offers you the best line it is a bad play. That has been my experience and I have heard that from others as well. With the low vig they are probably the best if you are only going to use a single book but if you use 2, 3 or more books like most of us do, I would try other places because I have found them to be the toughest book to beat along with CRIS and Olympic.

 

[Jorgesca]

What are the withdrawal methods of vipsports?????

Im looking for a book with 10 cent lines up to 160 at least that has easy withdrawal methods since im from mexico and i dont want to be calling someone in the phone in order to withdrawal. I like SIA's withdrawal method, they will just write you a check...
Paypal used to be good, cant use firepay or neteller. Western Union is too expensive and bank wire the same, sometimes i dont withdrawal big amounts that is why im asking... what are the witdhrawal options of pinacle and CARIB????

 

[gman2]

jorgesca:

i know what you mean about calling and requesting payouts. it can get annoying. its nice to have the luxury of just clicking a drop box and then its processed immediately.

you can use these methods at vip:

Bank Wire Withdrawal
Secure Credit Card Withdrawal
Fedex Withdrawal
Neteller withdrawal
Regular Mail Withdrawal
Western Union Withdrawal
SecureBuxx Transfer

hope that helps you out. ive used the fed ex withdrawl often, as well as the western union withdrawal.

let me know if you need anything else.

vip has the "check option" like SIA. it can be either regular mail or express.

gl man

 

[Mr.]

Nick,


So if they have the best line don't play? If you are going to play the game anyway, why not pay less vig? Doesn't make any sense to pay more vig, if you are going to make the play regardless. Am I missing something? I think I've won more at pinnacle and betcom over the last couple monthes then anywhere else (and I have 7 books).


Brandon

 

[ndnfan]

Nick,


So if they have the best line don't play? If you are going to play the game anyway, why not pay less vig? Doesn't make any sense to pay more vig, if you are going to make the play regardless. Am I missing something? I think I've won more at pinnacle and betcom over the last couple monthes then anywhere else (and I have 7 books).


Brandon

Nick....I agree with Mr. here. Can't make heads or tails of what you're trying to say. Sounds like you're saying if that's the only book you have to play at, you'd play it, yet if you had several books and compared the lines and the better line at Pinnacle, you'd stay away??? Doesn't make any sense. I agree that Pinnacle is a sharper book as they have to be with the reduced vig, but if you're implying that they are smarter than every capper based on the sole fact they have the better line for the capper on a particular play, you couldn't be more wrong.....Way too much is made about sharp books, line movement and imo, if you're making a decision based from something such as line movement in deciding whether a game you have capped out as a playable game or not, it's foolish to say the least. There are some out there that are bigtime line movement specialists, but the majority of players can't get that big of edge looking at stuff like that....you might be able to cut into the juice and use it as a tool, but it should be a very small in your arsenal of capping tools. You're basically saying you trust one capper or book over your own skills. Really the only time I look at this stuff, is if the line drastically moves, and I might see if I missed something such as an injury or something of that sort.

Just my .02

-ndnfan

 

[redsfann]

Interesting discusion we have going on here, gentlemen. Thanks for all the responses. I, too, am confused by your reply, Nick. Could you explain further? I'm in the camp of Mr. and ndfan-- if Pinnacle is offering me the best line of my 5 books, then it seems as if thats the place I'd be making my wager.

ndfan makes a great point about people worrying about "tight" lines or line movements. At one time, maybe, line movement may have been about a whale banging a line hard, but today with the intense competition for players of any size, a 1/2 point move by say, WSEX is noted by everyone immediately and their lines are adjusted to reflect the movement.

Also agree about most of us not really getting that big of an advantage over a few cents in the lines at our books. If someone has a game I like at +123 and someone else has +125....well..... the 2 bucks I stand to win by betting into the +125 is not enough for me to fund a book I don't have money at. Now if you told me that book would always have a 2 cent difference in my favor, that would be a different story. Thanks again to everyone thats posted in this thread.....

 

[gman2]

gotta be honest- i know what nick is getting at. but to debate it, wed almost be sitting here for hours upon hours going back and forth and getting nowhere. all in all- pinnacle is a solid book though from what i hear. but any book offering 7 or 8 cent lines wont be handing out freebies.

 

[Terryray]

what I think Nick is saying is that Pinnacle appears to shade the line to attract lopsided action on a side/total they think will win (based on wiseguy plays, which they get a lot of). You'd only notice this, and be attracted to it, if you shopped lines around alot.

makes sense to me, lots of sharp bookies do it. Tho not many big offshore ones do.

I assume all here has seen this topic on best dime lines in similar thread in sportsbook forum.......http://www.madjacksports.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=85927

 

[ndnfan]

Like gman2 said, this kind of debate on things of this nature can go back and forth and it?s hard to put into words what you actually mean at times. I guess what it comes down to is that we all have differing styles on capping the games and stuff we look at to cap and there?s nothing wrong with that.

I know several that swear to the line movement stuff. They?ve had a lot more success applying a fair amount of weight in that part of their decision rather than just capping the game out without looking at movement or comparing books differing numbers. My reasoning (or opinion) to them is that they weren?t looking at the right things in the game to begin with. They were maybe looking at the stuff that is already figured in to a large degree in what the line opens at rather than the more hidden stuff such as maybe certain key situational matchups, bullpens, umpire data or even the motivational part of the game.

From my own personal experience, more importantly than shopping for lines or monitoring any line movement, is getting a good headstart on the games. If you can properly cap out the games and start working on tomorrows games today, trust me you can get a very good feel after a while of what kind of line the game should open at and you can get some SERIOUS VALUE taking advantage early?.more so than any shopping later in the day will get you. That?s why I don?t even worry about what book is sharp or how line is moving?it?s just not my personal style to worry about that?.I think it just starts getting you caught in the switches doubting oneself.

Also, another note on line movement?the people that are good at it are the ones that are catching the smart or syndicate money and maybe catching some lines before many of the books get to take note and copy that move?am I right? Hats off to people that can do this right, and I know there are plenty that do, but I?m just one of those people that has to have the info and numbers in front of me before I risk any $$. Personally, I think too many people worry about this and will make plays on a line move?.problem is by the time the line moves, the movement many times will make the line neutral or in other words having absolutely NO VALUE. The best advise in my honest opinion is to get the games capped early?..I mean EARLY PEOPLE?.Heck, over the last few seasons, if I?ve HAD a MASSIVE bankroll, I could simply scalp every single day and grind out some very nice ?no-sweat? profits, but then again would that even be more beneficial than playing the actual value plays early which are the right side? I don?t know, I just feel the early bird gets the worm and that?s gonna save you a lot more juice than any thing else in the end.

Again, this is just part of my take on this subject?.I know many disagree with me on many things here and maybe I don't even know enough about the line movement stuff to be commenting about it, but I just thought I'd share my feelings, whether right or wrong.

Good luck to everyone this upcoming season

-ndnfan

 

[goldcupsports]

Oh no another line movement versus capping thread. LOL

 

[homerh]

several have mentioned sia
noticed they are no longer sponser here
or at other sites
whats up with that?

 

[Nick Douglas]

Chris, I swear I didn't try to start something up this time

Here is all I was saying. Since I started playing baseball I have always used 3+ books. I have used VIP, Wagerstreet, Pinnacle, GCS, 365, Canbet (not a sponsor), SIA (not a sponsor), Alladin's Gold (defunct), Infinity, GameDay, WSEX and Carib to bet on baseball at different times. I may have used CRIS or Olympic as well but I don't think so because of the 20 cent lines.

I have always shopped around actively for the best lines (I play almost exclusively dogs) and I have done very well overall. The one book that I have never made a profit at, and in fact never even made a withdrawl from, is Pinnacle. I don't use line movement to handicap. I merely use my own methods, find a game I like and then look for the best line. For whatever reason, Pinnacle always beat the crap out of me because the vast majority of the time that I found the best line at their book, it ended up being a loser.

Now, I know this defies logic. If I am really that scared of Pinnacle, shouldn't I pass any game where they offer the best line? If I am not scared, why wouldn't I have them as a steady shop when they offer 8 cent lines?

My only response is that I choose the "Ostrich" method as it regards Pinnacle. I simply avoid looking at their lines so that my handicapping stays pure.

Maybe it is some great mental block that is keeping me from winning at Pinnacle. Maybe. Obviously Mr. states that he has had great success over a few months betting there. But I can tell you that I am not the only good handicapper to get beat by Pinnacle. And I can tell you that nothing in this industry is given out for free.

Ask yourself how a book that offers 8 cent baseball lines and 10 cent basketball and hockey lines can not only stay in business, but remain arguably the top book offshore? Part of it is not giving those perks to "sharp" players, to be sure, but something tells me that another part of it is staying ahead of the handicappers and making sure that their lines are on the right side more often than not.

Now, all that having been said, if I were the casual player looking to fund only a single book, I may very well choose Pinnacle. I mean, how can you pass up such low vig? Obviously they can be beat in that situation because IE is keeping a running bankroll on his page based on wagers at Pinnacle and he is in plus money.

 

[Mr.]

sia.....

they hang the lines....but I just recently got capped on a game there....do others have this....played under 130 in the kentucky game tonight, and they maxed me at a $200 bet.:shrug:

 

[ndnfan]

sia.....

they hang the lines....but I just recently got capped on a game there....do others have this....played under 130 in the kentucky game tonight, and they maxed me at a $200 bet.:shrug:

Mr.,

You must be winning. You should also consider yourself lucky so far just getting capped with a max. If you continue to win, they just give you the boot! One thing that place doesn't stand for is winners....doesn't matter if your a professional player or a average joe that happens to be on a good run....you won't be around for long.