Who's the top five for 06?

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I personally think Urban Meyer is the real deal, and he is going to have his current and incoming talent looking good. I don't like to admit that Florida is going to be good, but I think the hype machine will push them into a high pre-season ranking.

But, then again, they may tank.
 

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I personally think Urban Meyer is the real deal, and he is going to have his current and incoming talent looking good. I don't like to admit that Florida is going to be good, but I think the hype machine will push them into a high pre-season ranking.

But, then again, they may tank.

I posted my top 5 for 2006 somewhere at the beginning of this thread, and I think I had UF 4 or something. Definately agree that Meyer in his second year, great performances to close out the season against FSU and Iowa, and overhyped Leak will make for a top 5 ranking.

In either case, high ranking will make a title run a possibility even with one loss. Would be nice to see UF get at least to the SEC title game cause it seems like Georgia or LSU wins it every freakin year (yes, Au2001, I know Auburn won it 2 years ago!).
 

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Good to have you back Derek NJND! How was the solitary confinement? Here is the Top 5 for next season in no order.

1. Texas (tough to replace young, but they don't play anybody as OU continues to heal.)


2. Florida- (Outstanding Recruiting Class and maybe the guys figure out what the spread o is all about)

3. LSU (LSU had as difficult a season as any team could, new coach, largest national disaster in U.S. history, and if that is not enough adversity, oh by the way they lost the best player on the team Alley Broussard to a season ending injury before the first game). LSU's schedule is tough but they are very deep at the skill positions QB, RB, and wide reciever. Their defense is coached by perhaps the finest defensive caoch in all of college football Bo Peilini. 3 very talented QB's all fighting for playing time should elevate the preformance of each.

4. West Virginia- Coached as well as any team in the country and very difficult to stop offense. This team is what Florida may look like in 2 years. West Virginia is the real deal.

5. USC- absolutley hate this team but have to "keep it real". They are well coached, have had back to back to back solid recruiting classes NOT NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS, and they play in an extremely soft conference and don't play a conference championship game. If USC wants to hush the critics then please schedule someone out of conference, and I am not talking about Arkansas, schedule a quality oponent please
 

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1. LSU
2. Penn St.
3. Ohio St.
4. WVU
5. USC


If this was to happen that would definately turn some heads.....

I'm going to have to agree, the more I have thought about it, take away the star PSU QB which practically won most of they're games for them and that 1 win against Illinois, they don't have a considerable amount of weapons on offense....Still a GREAT TEAM THOUGH!!!

4 everyone else.....I know that pre-season rankings don't mean anything but it's great to speculate about it. Especially coming off 1 of the highest rated seasons College Football has ever seen.

It's going to be a lot different next season, almost like rebuilding without names like, BUSH, YOUNG, PSU QB, VICK, LEINHART, Etc.

However, I have been doing a lot of thinking and Everyone knows that I LOVE WVU next season from the Big East.

From the Big 10 the team that will be stronger than last year I think and will be competing for the Big Ten title will be Wisconsin. They really impressed me down the stretch, especially when no one was giving them much respect. Especailly with they're bowl win. This team could possibly get into the top 8 if they play good Deffense.
 

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Another interesting thought is that Hawii returns they're decent criminal QB. He should do fiarly well in the rainbow league or whatever conference they are in, and I would definatetly think about playing the over in some of they're games. I bet on them 4 times last year on the over, and won every time. I'm sure they're over spread is probobly around 75-80% and if you like the totals, that percentage is a nice one.
 

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5. USC- absolutley hate this team but have to "keep it real". They are well coached, have had back to back to back solid recruiting classes NOT NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS, and they play in an extremely soft conference and don't play a conference championship game. If USC wants to hush the critics then please schedule someone out of conference, and I am not talking about Arkansas, schedule a quality oponent please


Hey it is ok to bash SC and I don't blame folks who became upset by the media hype, but "If USC wants to hush the critics then please schedule someone out of conference, and I am not talking about Arkansas, schedule a quality oponent please". Are you actually saying that SC does not try to schedule teams?

Look at their OOC this year: Arky at Ark
Neb at SC
ND at SC

I would hardly say that is not scheduling quality opponents. Give me an expample of a team with a more daunting OOC. I'm sure there are a few but that are equal, but ND will be Top 10 and Nebraska will at least be perceived as a ranked team pre-season.

By the way, when the Arkansas game was scheduled Arkansas was coming off multiple winning seasons and was in the Top 3rd of the Sec. ND is always on SC's schedule. And until the last 3 years Nebraska was considered a very quality OOC. For the record the Nebraska series was scheduled in 2002-2003 or pre Callahan.

Lastly, SC play a home and home with Ohio St in 2006-2007 in addition to ND.

I would hardly say they schedule isn't worthy, at least OOC.

And Ryan, from the looks of things you are from Baton Rouge. This Arky team that is not a quality opponent seemed to put up quite a fight with the Tigers last year. You might want to rethink the quality opponent comments.
 
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You are correct Arky put up a good fight for 2 reasons. First the game was at the end of the year and in college football, sometimes teams actually improve! The team LSU faced was not the same team USC faced! Also it was a day game and LSU does not traditionally play well in day games, the reason is we need a full day of tailgaiting to get in the right frame of mind. Notre Dame beat Tennessee and LSU lost to Tenn so the novice( non expert) might think that Notre Dame is much better. The problem with that logic is that when LSU played Tenn the game was early in the season when tenn was preseason #3 in the country. When ND played Tenn they had a ton of injuries, QB 's and offensive coordinators leaving the team and general unrest (a complete implosion) Not to mention the fact that LSU had dead bodies being flown over practice all week as the Pete Maravice Assembley center was turned in to a hospital from hurricane Katrina. You my friend have bought in to the hype, you watch too much Jim Rome and think USC is America's team, they are not. They play in perhaps the softest of "major conferences" and do not play good out of conference opponents. There are tons of teams who play tougher schedules, temple, rutgers, Fresno State, tons and tons of small schools trying to make a name and some money for their program take to the road to play great teams. USC plays 2 quality opponents per year, ND and their bowl opponent. So lets all jump on the USC bandwagon, and start painting 609 under our eyes! Hail to the trojans and those gay guy cheerleaders in the swetervests. USC fans tailgate at Starbucks and that is a fact.
 
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You are correct Arky put up a good fight for 2 reasons. First the game was at the end of the year and in college football, sometimes teams actually improve! The team LSU faced was not the same team USC faced! Also it was a day game and LSU does not traditionally play well in day games, the reason is we need a full day of tailgaiting to get in the right frame of mind. Notre Dame beat Tennessee and LSU lost to Tenn so the novice( non expert) might think that Notre Dame is much better. The problem with that logic is that when LSU played Tenn the game was early in the season when tenn was preseason #3 in the country. When ND played Tenn they had a ton of injuries, QB 's and offensive coordinators leaving the team and general unrest (a complete implosion) Not to mention the fact that LSU had dead bodies being flown over practice all week as the Pete Maravice Assembley center was turned in to a hospital from hurricane Katrina. You my friend have bought in to the hype, you watch too much Jim Rome and think USC is America's team, they are not. They play in perhaps the softest of "major conferences" and do not play good out of conference opponents. There are tons of teams who play tougher schedules, temple, rutgers, Fresno State, tons and tons of small schools trying to make a name and some money for their program take to the road to play great teams. USC plays 2 quality opponents per year, ND and their bowl opponent. So lets all jump on the USC bandwagon, and start painting 609 under our eyes! Hail to the trojans and those gay guy cheerleaders in the swetervests. USC fans tailgate at Starbucks and that is a fact.

Tennessee was overrated PERIOD! You trying to prove that they were a quality team early in the season is hilarious!
 

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Ryan,
Seriously I hope that half of your reply was meant as fun jestering. Some of the comments are quite comical.

First and foremost, as a lifelong SC fan I did not buy into the hype. The hype perpetuated caused many regular CFB football fans to hate the USC program, and most for really no reason other than the ridiculous hype.

As for the Arky game, my point was not about the fact that LSU and USC both played them and they had different results, but to point out that they actually are a decent OOC from the supposed best conference in america. You say that "The team LSU faced was not the same team USC faced! Also it was a day game and LSU does not traditionally play well in day games. Well I say they if they are that improved to now being a decent opponent for LSU by year end, and knowing how young that Arky team was, that maybe just maybe, they may be better next year. The argument can't only work in your favor.

I absolutely despise ND, because my dad went to USMA and my family has strong SC ties, but the comment that they were better than Tenn is unbelieveable. Should I be sitting here saying that USC was better than Texas because USC had ton of defensive injuries. No I accept that on Jan 4, Texas was a better team and beat USC, and even worse, in our backyard. SC fans acknowlege that Texas was the better team. Discussion closed about that. ND absolutely spanked Tenn, and just because Tenn was preseason #3 doesn't mean that stay there. And I heard about your domino theory and implosion.

Furthermore, I live in SEC country and and see the passion and also was affected by Katrina. If you were to search the other threads I am quite complimentary of the SEC and especially LSU. I think that LSU program was exemplary and when I attended the Peach Bowl I cheered heavily for LSU. The team was somewhat inspirational in the manner they handled themselves.

Also, you will not find one Pac 10 fan who will tell you that we really believe that our conference is better than the SEC. We are not stupid. What we do though is schedule decent OOC games against teams that are either in BCS conferences or at least 1-A competition. In the last year, the Pac 10 frowned heavily on the OOC that included a few OOC 1AA teams. We cannot control the teams that we play in conference, but SC makes an honest attempt to schedule to BCS OOC, as does the entire PAC.

The SEC cannot say the same thing. In another thread I have commended the SEC for upgrading their scheduling and working towards eliminating the 1AA opponent. I also understand that much of this OOC scheduling is due to money and the internal SEC perception that the conference is so difficult to navigate.

Maybe we can do a compare and contrast of the 2006 OOC and let the board decide who schedule tougher competition OOC.

"USC plays 2 quality opponents per year, ND and their bowl opponent. " Now this is the best of all. In your logic here than that means that USC is then 7-1 in the last 4 years, with the lone loss coming by 3 pts to the National Champions. There average margin of vistory in those 7 wins is 23 pts per game. Also, SC did not consider ND to be a great OOCfrom 2002-2004. We do now though. Lets also consider who they played OOC:

2002-Auburn, Colorado, Kansas St, ND, Iowa
2003-AU, BYU, Hawaii, ND, Mich
2004-V Tech, CSU, BYU, ND, Oklahoma
2005-Hawaii, Arky, ND, Fresno, Texas

So I ask you who are they supposed to play?
 

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Balls- you make some great points indeed. And I see that SC is moving in the right direction scheduling stronger Out of Conference opponents. In the SEC we don't need to do that, if fact in the era of the 1 loss you are out college football season, the SEC should look to "soften" its schedule by scheduling in a Tulane or other easy game. Making it through the SEC is plenty tough enough, then you need to beat another great team again in the SEC championship game! Do you have any idea how hard it is to beat a quality opponent twice in the same season. Espically when you have to go to Atlanta which is 60 miles from UGA. USC plays no conference championship game so its only test all year comes from the OCC games they schedule. Look at Texas they had 1 quality win in my opinion, VS. Ohio State on the road, they beat up on a terrible big 12 and then faced the powerhouse Buffaloes in the champ game? The SEC has far better balance, you are never going to face a cupcake in your championship game. Not to sound like Jimmy the greek here but the southeast simply has more African American athletes than any other part of the country, that is a fact. The SEC as a whole benefits from this by having superior athletes, more NFL players and as a biproduct much more competitive conference. That is why SEC teams have a dfficult time winning it all of late. In todays day in age you need no losses to make it. A few years ago you could have 1 or 2 losses and still get in. LSU got to the Sugar bowl with 2 losses when they faced Illinois. That does not happen anymore because the other conferences do not have the balanced strength of the SEC and other conferences produce no loss teams, but how good are you if you play no one! Did Texas really beat USC or did USC just not tackle Vince Young on every play. I am not saying Texas is not good they are but USC did not tackle at all and made more stupid plays ie Reggie Bush phantom pitch than I have ever seen at the college level. The same thing with OU when it faced USC in the Orange Bowl, how many turnovers did OU have 6? Who the hell can't win with 6 turnovers. We will see how good USC is this year. Slightly tougher schedule and the core of "americas team" gone. The loss of coaches should have this team looking like the New England Patriots by mid season.
 
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Ryan,
Thanks for the reply. I was only refuting the comments about the OOC that SC plays. I never doubt the strength of the internal Pac 10 games, because they are in relation to the SEC, quite weak.

One other thought that has to be addressed that I think is difficult for all Top 10 teams regardless of conference affiliation, is the notion of playing each other. Though, as fans we want to see these marquee games between lets say a #3 LSU and a #5 USC they are quite hard to recover from. It floats into the scenario that you suggested about 1 loss teams.

But in fairness to the Pac or any other BCS conference, these years of being down are typically cyclical. I will not sit here and say that though the SEC had a subpar year that I believe that they are dropping a notch. It was one year. For all the critics of the PAC 10 and the weakness there is evidence that they played very well against other BCS conferences. There is also evidence that the SEC had a very poor OOC record against BCS teams last year. Once again it proves nothing. Real fans can see the quality of the games and make sincere judgments.

Just do me one favor and stop calling USC "America's Team". SC fans are quite abashed by the media frenzy created and are constantly trying to just be fans of our program, the program that we love. Most USC fans are great college football fans and respect other programs as well.
 

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OK Balls. But its tough to sit here and listen to all the media hype. All media is pro-usc. When LSU won the NC in 2003 all we heard is USC this and that, we made some fine bumperstickers that say FUSC. Texas fans bought them all this year so its tough to find one.
 

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People forget most games are scheduled years in advance. Contracts are not only drawn up for home & home games for 2 years, many times consecutive seasons. Down years for teams are not easy to predict.
 

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I cant see OSU getting it down losing the entire defense. They will lose in Austin.

I think USC, even with all the losses on offense, is most likely to go unbeaten. Texas has Ohio State at home and OU in Dallas. There isnat another potential loss on there.

I know this is going to come off as an anti texas sentiment, but I think many are giving tejas a free ride because of the recent nc (congrats)

You can't deny what they did last year, but one major piece is missing - We all know who that is. They are going to have a tough go at it breaking in a new qb. :nono:

they also had key losses on defense as well - Your road to repeating will be difficult.
 

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Revised top 5 for next season:

1. Ohio St.
2. LSU
3. USC
4. Auburn
5. Florida

why dont you just wait till the season is over, then tell us who the top 5 are?


kind of like how you jump into bball threads and criticize picks AFTER THE GAMES OVER!

Your style doesnt seem to be predicting.

You're more the type who cant pick sand at the beach but have alot to say when the games over

Go Tigers :mj07:

I'm dead serious: I will send you a $100 check of my winnings from last weekend if you cancel your membership at MJ's. You dont add anything to this site, and you obviously dont win at gambling or you wouldnt be making post game critiques. If I were you, I would take the $100 and run. Smartest bet you could EVER make

oh and this is a PREDICTIVE STATEMENT, anyone who has Auburn ranked preseason top 5 doesnt have the IQ to be posting here anyway. You arent helping anyone win any money with that info, just humiliating yourself
 
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I know this is going to come off as an anti texas sentiment, but I think many are giving tejas a free ride because of the recent nc (congrats)

You can't deny what they did last year, but one major piece is missing - We all know who that is. They are going to have a tough go at it breaking in a new qb. :nono:

they also had key losses on defense as well - Your road to repeating will be difficult.

I agree and alot of people are handing TEXAS the #1 preseason spot based solely on the NC last year. Guess what, that aint how it works. Pollsters look at key losses more than anything else in evaluating poll position to start with. OSU, Texas, and USC all lost key personnell but I dont think everyone's estimating the effect that losing vince will have on TEXAS preseason accurately enough
 

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oh and this is a PREDICTIVE STATEMENT, anyone who has Auburn ranked preseason top 5 doesnt have the IQ to be posting here anyway. You arent helping anyone win any money with that info, just humiliating yourself

Coming from someone whose posted plays are 1-6??? How do you help? What part of my 2006 record confuses you? I have posted 11 NBA plays and 7 of them were winners. How is that not helping to win money? How does your argument make sense? Can you read?

Sorry I win and keep track of my record. Unlike you, who posts nothing but losers, with pathetic logic, and then claim you are still a winner.

Cbssportsline and Kirk Herbstreit, among others, also have auburn in their top 5. College football news and Foxsports has auburn at #6, but i'm sure they will all change their order once they find out that some degenerate loser still living off of mommy and daddy that can't spell or add doesn't agree with them.

Once again, you're a loser and you make that abundantly obvious.

Tell you what, I'll give you $100 if you start keeping a record of all your pathetic plays. I figure you will leave of embarassment soon enough after that. hahahaha :mj07: :mj07: :mj07: :mj07:
 
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