Women in Hollywood

[Englishman]

Who fucking cares? Start a thread about the thousands of workers at Kimberly-Clark who are being shown the door. THAT is a job being lost. People lose jobs every day. Why are these woman a big concern?

Everyone's job matters. You are getting off track here.

I work for a big bank in NYC. HR now send out these emails to all staff saying that if they feel they have been discriminated against or disadvantaged unfairly they should report it to HR and they will receive a sympathetic ear.

This invitation is just rife for abuse. I know two guys who were reported. HR opened an investigation in to both and no action was taken in either case.

Now, I don't even look at many female co-workers. If I pass them in the hallway, if they are young attractive women and I don't know them I look down and walk past without making eye contact. I know other guys who spend more time working from home because they don't want to haven misunderstandings.

I NEVER banter with women at work anymore about any subject. In the past I might have chatted about some topic of the day, or even complimented her on her summer dress (I definitely said this to one woman last year), now I avoid contact, only working with women colleagues that my job specifically needs me to.

Obviously, if some manager discriminated unfairly against a female subordinate, that guy should be fired and the hell with him. But this is not what is happening as far as I can see.

This whole Me Too/Times Up thing is having real world consequences. And not all of them are positive IMHO.

 

[Penguinfan]

Why are these woman a big concern?

Because, right or wrong, it demonstrates another shift in the thinking of our culture and that is going to spur debate.

 

[yyz]

Everyone's job matters. You are getting off track here.

I work for a big bank in NYC. HR now send out these emails to all staff saying that if they feel they have been discriminated against or disadvantaged unfairly they should report it to HR and they will receive a sympathetic ear.

This invitation is just rife for abuse. I know two guys who were reported. HR opened an investigation in to both and no action was taken in either case.

Now, I don't even look at many female co-workers. If I pass them in the hallway, if they are young attractive women and I don't know them I look down and walk past without making eye contact. I know other guys who spend more time working from home because they don't want to haven misunderstandings.

I NEVER banter with women at work anymore about any subject. In the past I might have chatted about some topic of the day, or even complimented her on her summer dress (I definitely said this to one woman last year), now I avoid contact, only working with women colleagues that my job specifically needs me to.

Obviously, if some manager discriminated unfairly against a female subordinate, that guy should be fired and the hell with him. But this is not what is happening as far as I can see.

This whole Me Too/Times Up thing is having real world consequences. And not all of them are positive IMHO.

That's simply bullshit. A cop out.

If you don't know the difference between saying hi to a woman in the hall at work, and saying your tits look lovely, I can't help you. Woman aren't coming forward about their boss or co-woker smiling at them.

 

[Penguinfan]

Woman aren't coming forward about their boss or co-woker smiling at them.

I would take a wait and see attitude on this one. The standards are changing and what gets reported in the workplace to HR going forward is going to blur the line I'm willing to bet.

 

[Englishman]

That's simply bullshit. A cop out.

If you don't know the difference between saying hi to a woman in the hall at work, and saying your tits look lovely, I can't help you. Woman aren't coming forward about their boss or co-woker smiling at them.

Actually, I do agree with you here. I think the cause for the complaints is not the stated one. I think its issues between the manager and co-worker that have nothing to do with sex, but that is the pretext used by the co-worker to get some leverage.

That's what I saw in the two examples I mentioned. Perceived injustices regarding other issues were the real cause.

Women can lie, just as well as men. don't you know that?

 

[BuckwheatJWN]

Who fucking cares? Start a thread about the thousands of workers at Kimberly-Clark who are being shown the door. THAT is a job being lost. People lose jobs every day. Why are these woman a big concern?

That's my point.....People always like to brush things off as "They'll find another job."

 

[yyz]

That's my point.....People always like to brush things off as "They'll find another job."

If you get canned tomorrow, are we having a rally for you, or are you going to find another job? This is the dumbest thread I've seen.

 

[jas4bama]

saying your tits look lovely,

But what if they do look lovely? Should I lie?:00hour

 

[BuckwheatJWN]

If you get canned tomorrow, are we having a rally for you, or are you going to find another job? This is the dumbest thread I've seen.

Haven't worked in 14 years and am enjoying it.........I'm only saying no matter how an individual loses a job with it not being their choice, whether it's a woman who has a job based on her looks or a skilled person who loses their job due to automation, it's sort of flippant to just say, "They will find another job." as if good jobs are everywhere. :0008