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Physicians do a limited amount of medicare work as it is subsidized by private insurance. We do things that we actually lose money on for Medicare as the costs of equipment/supplies cost more than the Medicare re-imbursement.

If the citizenry is all hooked up to government funded health insurance where PRICES ARE FIXED BY THE GOVERNMENT and we have to get every damn test approved by BUREAUCRATS WITH THEIR SOCIAL STUDIES DEGREES and LOSE MONEY in doing so.....just who exactly is going to be there to actually deliver this health care (practice medicine)?

Consider the following:

Most every physician who can, will retire.

Physicians who work their tails off will cut back on # of patients seen.

Fewer of our best and brightest and hardest workers will go into medicine as success is penalized and headaches dealing with government bureaucrats in order to deliver care just is not very attractive.

At the same time, the populace is getting older and we are going to add 47 million plus all the other illegal aliens not yet here?

Good luck getting that appointment unless you are willing to pay $$$$$$$$$ or you have a great connection.

You have cancer eating up your face? Maybe Obama will take your call if you donate 25 bucks to his next "Yes we can" speech.:mj07: :mj07:

:s1: :s1: :s1: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
 

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dr. freeze;2381523]Consider the following:

Most every physician who can, will retire.

Good, too many of them are crooks who have been stealing from gov programs for years.
Nurses can perform the same service in clinics for half the cost. Doctors hate that shit.


Physicians who work their tails off will cut back on # of patients seen.

Yeh they will play golf two days during the week and not just every wednesday. Their case loads wont change and you know it

Fewer of our best and brightest and hardest workers will go into medicine as success is penalized and headaches dealing with government bureaucrats in order to deliver care just is not very attractive.
The ones that are in it for the money and not to help people will quit medicine or not go in it to start with. That will be a good thing. Oh wait they cant do that , where would they get their kickbacks from drug companies for selling certain pills. And overcharging for services at every turn.

At the same time, the populace is getting older and we are going to add 47 million plus all the other illegal aliens not yet here?

alot of people uninsured are younger and in good health. The money taken in when they start paying will help even things out.

Good luck getting that appointment unless you are willing to pay $$$$$$$$$ or you have a great connection.

Scare tactics from a neocon. :142smilie
There will not be a problem getting the same appointments we have always had. If you want quciker service then pay. That seems fair.


You have cancer eating up your face? Maybe Obama will take your call if you donate 25 bucks to his next "Yes we can" speech.:mj07: :mj07:
so you a doctor supposedly and wish cancer as a joke on the public. your a classy guy.
you should be the first to resign and leave medical care to others
 

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Doc, don't even try with them. Most truely don't understand healthcare and more importantly the reimbursement side of it. I feel bad for physicians that spent years in school, ran up massive debt and are now looking at not making anything close to what they should.
 

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. I feel bad for physicians that spent years in school, ran up massive debt and are now looking at not making anything close to what they should.

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thats just pathetic

you feel sorry for doctors.

they will continue to make their money and will pay off their debt alot quicker than most of us.
They are very resourcefull when it comes from stealing from the public.
 

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Doctor and assistants jailed for Medicare fraud
A racket that filed false claims for unnecessary HIV infusion therapy led to the imprisonment of three on Friday

August 4, 2009



A doctor and a physician's assistant are going to prison for eight years for their roles in a Miami-Dade racket that billed Medicare $11 million in false claims for obsolete HIV services that were not provided to patients.

Dr. Keith Russell, 65, and Jorge Luis Pacheco, 50, were also ordered Friday by U.S. District Judge Ursula Ungaro to pay back $3.1 million and $2.6 million, respectively, to the federal healthcare program.

The judge also sentenced another physician's assistant, Eda Marietta Milanes, 43, to five years' imprisonment and to pay back $3.1 million.

All three -- along with another Miami physician, David Rothman, 67 -- were convicted in March of conspiring to defraud Medicare and other charges in a case that stood out because Pacheco tried to flee the country near the end of the trial. Four others charged in the case -- investigated by the Department of Health and Human Services' Office of Inspector General and the FBI -- pleaded guilty before trial.

Rothman, whose sentencing is pending, and Russell are part of a growing list of South Florida doctors and assistants convicted of billing Medicare for hundreds of millions of dollars in fraudulent claims for outdated HIV infusion therapy administered intravenously.

That therapy was replaced about 15 years ago by more effective antiretroviral drugs taken orally, experts say, yet Medicare continues to pay for the infusion therapy because the agency still considers it ``medically reasonable and necessary.''

Medicare officials say the agency has stopped about $2 billion in ``improper payments''

for bogus HIV infusion services in South Florida over the past five years, but the agency and its Florida claims contractor, First Coast Service Options, continue to pay out hundreds of millions of dollars a year.

In the latest prosecution, Russell, Rothman, Pacheco and Milanes served as the medical staff for two Miami-Dade clinics: M&P Group of South Florida and Medcore Group.

The owner of the clinics, Tony Marrero, testified that Rothman was paid $200,000 and Russell $40,000 for writing prescriptions for the outdated intravenous HIV therapy from 2004 to 2006.

Marrero, who owned the clinics with his wife, Belkis, saidhe paid $200 kickbacks to patients for each visit to use their Medicare numbers to submit the bogus bills. One patient testified that he did not have HIV, and another said he used the money to fund a cocaine addiction.

He also testified the medical assistants manipulated blood platelet levels in patient records to justify their treatments to Medicare, and that he obtained fake invoices from a drug wholesaler to show that his clinics had provided the infusion drugs to patients.

Marrero admitted the racket's criminal activity was ``despicable.''

Pacheco, a former physician in Cuba, tried to flee the United States before the jury began its deliberations in mid-March. He was arrested in the Homestead area with $12,600 in cash and a false Florida driver's license in the name of ``Jose Luis Falcon,'' authorities said.

Before his arrest, Pacheco cut off his ankle monitor in violation of the terms of his bond, and documents seized from him contained multiple contacts in the Dominican Republic, according to prosecutors Kirk Ogrosky and Jay Darden.

Pacheco told police that he was ``going fishing.''
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here is just a few of your buddys freeze

and the ones that lost feels so sorry for.
 

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Blatant Medicare fraud costs taxpayers billions
Officials say outrageous fraud schemes are 'off the charts'

Dec. 10, 2007 : 'Off the charts' Medicare fraud is fraying the country's social safety net for seniors and the disabled. NBC's Mark Potter reports in the first of a two-part series.
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MIAMI, Florida - On an FBI undercover tape, the fraud was plain to see: A patient came to a South Florida AIDS clinic, signed some papers, walked into an office and was handed $150 in cash. She politely thanked the workers and left, her visit to the doctor finished without ever receiving any treatment.

According to records seized by investigators, the office staff (who was assured of the patient's cooperation) used her name to fraudulently bill Medicare for a list of expensive treatment and medications.

Law enforcement officials said it's just one of the many widespread, organized and lucrative schemes to bilk Medicare out of an estimated $60 billion dollars a year ? a staggering cost borne by American taxpayers.

Officials say the array of criminals running these schemes are stealing blatantly from the social safety net that cares for 43 million seniors and the disabled, and along the way are hurting honest patients, physicians and legitimate businesses.


"These people have absolutely nothing to do with health care," said Kirk Ogrosky, a prosecutor with the U.S. Justice Department. "They're thieves that would be committing other types of crimes if they weren't committing Medicare fraud."

Outrageous fraud called "off the charts"
While Medicare fraud is a national scourge, found primarily in large urban areas, federal authorities said the very worst of it these days is in South Florida? particularly in Miami-Dade County.

Most of these schemes, they said, are found in the cities of Miami and Hialeah, where they are often concentrated in parts of the Cuban immigrant community.

After visiting the region, and seeing the extent of the fraud, Michael Leavitt, the U.S. Secretary of Health and Human Services, said, "In a decade and a half of public service, this was the most disheartening, disgusting day I have ever spent. We have to fix this."

To attack the fraud, the Justice Department this year set up a strike force at a remote office park near Miami, and in just six months prosecutors filed 74 cases charging 120 people with allegedly trying to steal $400 million from Medicare.

While officials claimed the concentrated law enforcement efforts led to a $1.4 billion drop in Medicare billing in the area (another clear indication of the phony nature of many of the earlier claims), they said they have still barely scratched the surface of the fraud schemes involving bogus clinics, fake medicines, and illegitimate medical supply companies.

"The problem is far from solved," said Timothy Delaney, a supervisor for the FBI's Miami office. "For every one owner we arrest, another one pops up, maybe even two, tomorrow. It's so lucrative that we have yet to turn the tide."

Illegal billing for non-existent medical equipment
One of the most common schemes is the illicit billing for DME, or durable medical equipment, such as oxygen generators, breathing machines, air mattresses, walkers, orthopedic braces and wheelchairs. This scheme involves billions of dollars a year in illegal claims.

Raul Lopez, the president of the Florida Association of Medical Equipment and Services and the director of a legitimate medical supply company, said the fraud is so widespread it hurts the many valid DME companies, which are struggling to compete.

"We're here providing services to patients that need healthcare services, and as a result of the fraud our industry is suffering enormously," he said.

Unlike real DME companies, which have showrooms, warehouses, public offices, trained staff and professional record-keeping, the fraudulent companies are usually shell companies with shadowy business practices, hidden owners, and tiny, locked offices which are only there to create the illusion of legitimacy. They rarely have any medical products for actual sale or delivery.

"They're lined up in hallways one after the other, office after office with a locked door, no foot traffic, no employees, no medical equipment," said Ogrosky. "We're talking about billing that goes up in the tens of millions of dollars for places that don't exist."

FBI agents looking for suspected front-companies that Medicare records show are actively billing rarely find much to search. "We often don't see places. We find vacant lots, we see mailboxes, we see an office suite shared by 30 companies. We're not finding legitimate companies where we can go in and do a search warrant," said Delaney.

On a recent trip to some shopping centers and office buildings in the Miami area, FBI agents Brian Waterman and Christopher Macrae knocked on the doors of several purported medical supply companies. Most of the offices were locked during business hours, with no signs of any activity. Calls to the offices went unanswered.

Referring to one of the closed offices, Waterman said, "The amount of money in dollars that this company is billing for in the last month are close to a half million dollars. We're just trying to find out what they're billing for and what they're doing."

Across the street, in another small office complex, the agents found another six supposed supply companies that also were locked. "Building's closed, kinda tough to deliver stuff out of here," Macrae noted. "It doesn't surprise us at all. This is typical."
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If you want to get upset about something. Get upset about this.

60 billion stolen and this was back in 2007
 

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Is your doctor "under the influence"?



Most people have gotten a doctor's prescription at some point in their lives for a medicine they have needed. Some people need prescription medication on a regular basis due to their medical problems. The question is, to what degree can you trust that your doctor writes a prescription based only on your best interests as a patient?

That seems like a strange question - after all, what else would a doctor have in mind? Shouldn't the doctor's choice of medication depend solely upon what your needs are as a patient? That does sound like the way things should be, but recent revelations suggest that something very different is going on: pharmaceuticals companies may be exercising undue and unethical influence on doctors and what doctors prescribe. :scared

Drug makers have readily admitted that they routinely pay insurance companies to increase the use of their products and to be added to the recommended list of drugs. They admit that they give rewards to both pharmacists and doctors for switching patients from one brand of medication to a rival. Finally, they admit that they provide all sorts of gifts and gratuities to doctors, ranging from financial aid to educational programs to bags and writing pads, in the hopes that they will encourage doctors to remember and perhaps prescribe their brand of drugs. :SIB

Not everyone approves of such actions. In October of 2002, the Department of Health and Human Services stated that many gifts and gratuities are suspicious because they looked like illegal kickbacks. Various consumer groups such as the AARP have expressed their support for further restrictions on such gifts, and the government is considering implementing such restrictions. :SIB

Unfortunately, further restrictions may be unlikely because the consumer groups are vastly outnumbered by doctors, insurers, and of course drug companies who have flooded the government with letters criticizing proposals to restrict gifts. Perhaps the first impression about giving gifts is mistaken and there are good reasons for them - so, what arguments do the companies use in their defense? :nono:

It seems that the most common defense is that the practice of giving gifts is, well, common. According to Solvay Pharmaceuticals, "a policy statement that declares well-established commercial practices potentially criminal creates a chilling effect on commerce and ultimately harms all consumers." A a coalition of 19 pharmaceutical companies, including Pfizer and Eli Lilly has said proposals to restrict gifts were "not grounded in an understanding of industry practices."

The recipients of the gifts agree. According to the American Association of Health Plans, representing most of the nation's H.M.O.'s, the proposed changes would "cast doubt on the propriety of many well-established practices undertaken by health plans to develop and administer their drug benefits."

In other words, because it is a common industry practice for drug companies to give gifts to those who prescribe more of their drugs, it should be permitted to continue. That, unfortunately, is a logical fallacy; the mere fact that something is common does not make it ethical. If that is the best that the various interest groups can offer, the practices should be discontinued.

Fortunately, there are a couple of other arguments to consider. One is that restrictions on gifts could have a "chilling effect" on efforts to cut costs - for some reason, HMOs think that if it becomes illegal for them to receive financial gifts from drug makers, then drug makers will be afraid to give bulk discounts. That sounds like nonsense, but just to allay their fears, it would be reasonable to make a provision permitting bulk discounts.

Another argument, this time from the American Medical Association, contends that drug companies should be allowed to give doctors pens, notepads and other items of "nominal value" that have "no correlation to any service provided by the physician to the pharmaceutical company." According to the AMA, such items are "harmless."

That leads us to address just what all of the fuss is about in the first place. Who cares if drug companies are giving pens, pads, bags, or even cash to doctors, HMOs, and others who make decisions about what drugs you use? The problem is, patients are under the perception that doctors recommend particular drugs because they will have the best balance of good effects vs. bad effects for their particular situation. In other words, this drug should do the best job at alleviating symptoms and curing an illness without producing too many negative side effects.

However, gifts from powerful drug companies begin to skew that situation. What if a doctor is being influenced to prescribe heart medication A over heart medication B not because it is more effective, but because the manufacturer provides greater financial gifts to her and and to the insurance plan? To return to the statement from the AMA, are even "nominal" gifts really so "harmless"?

The fact of the matter is, even though the gifts are "nominal" to the physician, the costs of producing so many are not insignificant - and the drug manufacturers would not bother if they didn't serve as an effective form of advertising. As the Massachusetts Medical Society has asked:

Is the physician who writes a prescription with a company's logo on the pen more likely to write a prescription for that advertiser? Are patients more likely to request a certain drug because they see the notepad on the doctor's desk?

Sadly, physicians themselves don't seem to be entirely cognizant of the problem. In the January 19, 2000 edition of the Journal of the American Medical Association, Dr. Ashley Wazana revealed that while 85% of medical students belived it improper for politicians to accept gifts from lobbyists, only 46% thought it improper for doctors to receive gifts from drug companies. Evidently, while they distrust the ability of politicians to remain uninfluenced, they do trust themselves to be free of such burdens.

The next time your doctor prescribes a medication, considering asking why that drug rather than some other drug. Consider asking the doctor if she receives any financial gifts or benefits from the manufacturer of that drug. If you see "nominal" items advertising the drug, consider asking if they influence the doctor's decision. Such questions are uncomfortable, but ethical questions often are - and they may be more uncomfortable for your physician than for you.
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Oh wait a minute if the Doctors accept gifts instead of money then its OK.

Wake the fawk up America. They have been doing this to us for many many years. They want the status quo to stay the same.

Wouldnt you ?

Every other month you get a trip to Paris if you just get out them prescriptions that you are asked to do.

Damn people are stupid .

what say you freeze ?

or maybe hedge or RAYMOND will come in to help you answer fraud in the medical system that is taking America down the tubes.

But I woudnt count on it.
 

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Feds cracking down on doctor kickbacks
March 5, 2009 ? 11:56am ET | By Tracy Staton

It takes two to kickback. So federal officials aiming to stop the practice--and tired of knocking at Big Pharma's door--are approaching the problem from the opposite end. Yep, they're now targeting doctors.

The New York Times reports that prosecutors have historically avoided putting physicians in the hot seat, because they figured juries would sympathize with them (and we all know that public opinion of pharma leaves a bit to be desired). Now, though, the feds are plotting civil and criminal charges against surgeons who allegedly demanded kickbacks from device makers. "The strategy of looking at the companies alone was not completely successful in terms of our objective to deter health care fraud," U.S. Attorney Michael Sullivan told the paper. "So it's fair to say that the government is looking at evidence of criminal wrongdoing even by doctors."

And this is just part of a toughened-up attempt to prevent undue industry influence on doctors. As the NYT points out, the feds have already boosted fines that have been part of plea agreements in mismarketing cases. Eli Lilly said it would pay $1.4 billion to settle Zyprexa marketing claims; Pfizer set aside $2.3 billion for an expected fine for Bextra marketing irregularities. And officials have been forcing drug and device makers to publicize all their payments to doctors who serve as consultants or speakers, in hopes of making criminal contact easier to track down--and to discourage payments from the get-go.

Some doctors already are feeling the heat from that public disclosure. One doctor who had served on prestigious government panels saw invitations for service stop after records revealed that he had earned almost $800,000 from drug companies. Now that "everyone" will know who's getting money from whom, all sides might start obeying the law. Or so prosecutors hope.


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Hey lost you feel sorry for this doctor. He made 800 K probably tax free. You think he has any medical debt for you to cry about ?

ALL DOCTOR CROOKS !

OUTSIDE NOW !
 

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If the citizenry is all hooked up to government funded health insurance where PRICES ARE FIXED BY THE GOVERNMENT and we have to get every damn test approved by BUREAUCRATS WITH THEIR SOCIAL STUDIES DEGREES and LOSE MONEY in doing so.....just who exactly is going to be there to actually deliver this health care (practice medicine)?
News flash for Dr. Freeze:

While doing nothing might be of personal benefit to you Dr. Freeze, it's obvious to millions of Americans that the protracted negative impact our current system of healthcare is having on our entire economy will only worsen until we're completely and utterly unable to compete in the global marketplace.

Big Insurance, Big Pharma and Big Healthcare have been lobbying and buying politicians on both sides of the isle for far too long. But their days are numbered. We Americans ARE waking up from our long sleepwalk and what we've decided is that we cannot and will not continue to sacrifice the interests of the many for the greed of the few.
 

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Bristol-Myers Squibb to pay $515 million for doctor kickback scheme

September 28, 07 04:30 PM
By Jonathan Saltzman, Globe Staff

Bristol-Myers Squibb Company and its subsidiary, Apothecon, have agreed to pay more than $515 million to settle a broad array of federal and state civil allegations involving their drug marketing and pricing practices, US Attorney Michael J. Sullivan said today.:scared

The government alleged that from 2000 to mid-2003, BMS paid illegal remuneration to physicians and other healthcare providers to get them to promote BMS drugs. The payments were in the form of consulting fees and other programs, some of which involved travel to luxurious resorts. :SIB
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Wait a minute now. The Doctors are taking in money from patients and then they get free trips to luxury resorts ?.

Geezz I guess they deserve it. They need their rest.

There just seems to be something inherently wrong with this type of set up.

not for the Doctors, but for the public who cant afford health insurance because of this type of fraud. And its been going on for 30 years
 
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Is your doctor "under the influence"?



Most people have gotten a doctor's prescription at some point in their lives for a medicine they have needed. Some people need prescription medication on a regular basis due to their medical problems. The question is, to what degree can you trust that your doctor writes a prescription based only on your best interests as a patient?

That seems like a strange question - after all, what else would a doctor have in mind? Shouldn't the doctor's choice of medication depend solely upon what your needs are as a patient? That does sound like the way things should be, but recent revelations suggest that something very different is going on: pharmaceuticals companies may be exercising undue and unethical influence on doctors and what doctors prescribe. :scared

Drug makers have readily admitted that they routinely pay insurance companies to increase the use of their products and to be added to the recommended list of drugs. They admit that they give rewards to both pharmacists and doctors for switching patients from one brand of medication to a rival. Finally, they admit that they provide all sorts of gifts and gratuities to doctors, ranging from financial aid to educational programs to bags and writing pads, in the hopes that they will encourage doctors to remember and perhaps prescribe their brand of drugs. :SIB

Not everyone approves of such actions. In October of 2002, the Department of Health and Human Services stated that many gifts and gratuities are suspicious because they looked like illegal kickbacks. Various consumer groups such as the AARP have expressed their support for further restrictions on such gifts, and the government is considering implementing such restrictions. :SIB

Unfortunately, further restrictions may be unlikely because the consumer groups are vastly outnumbered by doctors, insurers, and of course drug companies who have flooded the government with letters criticizing proposals to restrict gifts. Perhaps the first impression about giving gifts is mistaken and there are good reasons for them - so, what arguments do the companies use in their defense? :nono:

It seems that the most common defense is that the practice of giving gifts is, well, common. According to Solvay Pharmaceuticals, "a policy statement that declares well-established commercial practices potentially criminal creates a chilling effect on commerce and ultimately harms all consumers." A a coalition of 19 pharmaceutical companies, including Pfizer and Eli Lilly has said proposals to restrict gifts were "not grounded in an understanding of industry practices."

The recipients of the gifts agree. According to the American Association of Health Plans, representing most of the nation's H.M.O.'s, the proposed changes would "cast doubt on the propriety of many well-established practices undertaken by health plans to develop and administer their drug benefits."

In other words, because it is a common industry practice for drug companies to give gifts to those who prescribe more of their drugs, it should be permitted to continue. That, unfortunately, is a logical fallacy; the mere fact that something is common does not make it ethical. If that is the best that the various interest groups can offer, the practices should be discontinued.

Fortunately, there are a couple of other arguments to consider. One is that restrictions on gifts could have a "chilling effect" on efforts to cut costs - for some reason, HMOs think that if it becomes illegal for them to receive financial gifts from drug makers, then drug makers will be afraid to give bulk discounts. That sounds like nonsense, but just to allay their fears, it would be reasonable to make a provision permitting bulk discounts.

Another argument, this time from the American Medical Association, contends that drug companies should be allowed to give doctors pens, notepads and other items of "nominal value" that have "no correlation to any service provided by the physician to the pharmaceutical company." According to the AMA, such items are "harmless."

That leads us to address just what all of the fuss is about in the first place. Who cares if drug companies are giving pens, pads, bags, or even cash to doctors, HMOs, and others who make decisions about what drugs you use? The problem is, patients are under the perception that doctors recommend particular drugs because they will have the best balance of good effects vs. bad effects for their particular situation. In other words, this drug should do the best job at alleviating symptoms and curing an illness without producing too many negative side effects.

However, gifts from powerful drug companies begin to skew that situation. What if a doctor is being influenced to prescribe heart medication A over heart medication B not because it is more effective, but because the manufacturer provides greater financial gifts to her and and to the insurance plan? To return to the statement from the AMA, are even "nominal" gifts really so "harmless"?

The fact of the matter is, even though the gifts are "nominal" to the physician, the costs of producing so many are not insignificant - and the drug manufacturers would not bother if they didn't serve as an effective form of advertising. As the Massachusetts Medical Society has asked:

Is the physician who writes a prescription with a company's logo on the pen more likely to write a prescription for that advertiser? Are patients more likely to request a certain drug because they see the notepad on the doctor's desk?

Sadly, physicians themselves don't seem to be entirely cognizant of the problem. In the January 19, 2000 edition of the Journal of the American Medical Association, Dr. Ashley Wazana revealed that while 85% of medical students belived it improper for politicians to accept gifts from lobbyists, only 46% thought it improper for doctors to receive gifts from drug companies. Evidently, while they distrust the ability of politicians to remain uninfluenced, they do trust themselves to be free of such burdens.

The next time your doctor prescribes a medication, considering asking why that drug rather than some other drug. Consider asking the doctor if she receives any financial gifts or benefits from the manufacturer of that drug. If you see "nominal" items advertising the drug, consider asking if they influence the doctor's decision. Such questions are uncomfortable, but ethical questions often are - and they may be more uncomfortable for your physician than for you.
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Oh wait a minute if the Doctors accept gifts instead of money then its OK.

Wake the fawk up America. They have been doing this to us for many many years. They want the status quo to stay the same.

Wouldnt you ?

Every other month you get a trip to Paris if you just get out them prescriptions that you are asked to do.

Damn people are stupid .

what say you freeze ?

or maybe hedge or RAYMOND will come in to help you answer fraud in the medical system that is taking America down the tubes.

But I woudnt count on it.

Scott,glad to se ya posting again.I know that the healthcare system is flawed,criminal,even a billion dollar business for the insurance companies ,never mind the docters.

The coverage my family has is pretty good actually.
For a family of 4 its 160 a month.Its has great services such as flex spending,low co-pay,resonable pharmacy fees,etc. it really is a good plan.

I know others have either worse or no insurance.
I just think a govt. spending plan wont work.
You cant give every person in the world health care at a cheap price,it just wont work.

The only way I would agree with healthcare reform is this.All the congressmen,the president,and all local state workers and government workers must use the same plan.

We all know that is not gonna happen.
There all on the GOLD plan.
 

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News flash for Dr. Freeze:

Big Insurance, Big Pharma and Big Healthcare have been lobbying and buying politicians on both sides of the isle for far too long. But their days are numbered. We Americans ARE waking up from our long sleepwalk and what we've decided is that we cannot and will not continue to sacrifice the interests of the many for the greed of the few.

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Nice one Frenchy.

That had to of left a mark.

The greed of a few ? how many doctors are on the take accepting gifts for being influenced ?

50 % ? 76 % 90% ???????

guaranteed you we are talking billions here .

probably enough to pay for every American to have health insurance in America. And let the damn illigals in too.

The Doctors will be so pissed they will quit.

Well then so be it.

Change

Yes we can
 

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Doc, don't even try with them. Most truely don't understand healthcare and more importantly the reimbursement side of it. I feel bad for physicians that spent years in school, ran up massive debt and are now looking at not making anything close to what they should.

Wait now you have all the answers?
 

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scotty go buy some insurance you cheap ass:142smilie

Ray,alot of concrete drivers and pump drivers are either layed of or working to keep there union dues.

Only like half the fleet still working fulltime,maybe less!:scared
 

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Scott,glad to se ya posting again.I know that the healthcare system is flawed,criminal,even a billion dollar business for the insurance companies ,never mind the docters.

The coverage my family has is pretty good actually.
For a family of 4 its 160 a month.Its has great services such as flex spending,low co-pay,resonable pharmacy fees,etc. it really is a good plan.

I know others have either worse or no insurance.
I just think a govt. spending plan wont work.
You cant give every person in the world health care at a cheap price,it just wont work.

The only way I would agree with healthcare reform is this.All the congressmen,the president,and all local state workers and government workers must use the same plan.

We all know that is not gonna happen.
There all on the GOLD plan.
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I agree that you cant give every person health care at a cheap price. But we can offer them the same plan that you have. And your satisfied so you keep your insurance.

I agree with federal goverment should be under the same plan we all are offered. They can choose the most complete coverage as they can afford it,

How does the Senate get off for the month of August anyways ? Do they still get their regular vacations ? Alot of problems all around.

What really has to stop is pre existing conditions. I am dealing with this now trying to upgrade our coverage. Also the mazimum limits have got to be thrown out.

We can do this. It can be better .

Its hard to believe that we are so close to this after so many years.
 

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scotty go buy some insurance you cheap ass:142smilie
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Yeh its complicated for my family right now.

But I notice that you didnt commnt on the obvious billions of dollars of fraud and schemes
going on in the medical field.

Guess you just take it for granted.
 

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How Drug Reps Make Friends and Influence Doctors

November 4, 2008 by Kevin Flatt
Filed under Ethical Issues in Health

This article, which grew out of conversations between a former drug rep and a physician who researches pharmaceutical marketing, reveals the strategies used by reps to manipulate physician prescribing.

Shahram Ahari is a former pharmaceutical sales representative for Eli Lilly, and the primary findings of this paper summarize points he made in testimony as a paid expert witness on the defendant?s side in litigation against a New Hampshire law prohibiting the sale of prescription data.

Adriane Fugh-Berman has accepted payment as an expert witness on the plaintiff?s side in litigation regarding menopausal hormone therapy.

This work was supported by a grant from the Attorney General Prescriber and Consumer Education Grant Program, created as part of a 2004 settlement between Warner-Lambert, a division of Pfizer, and the Attorneys General of 50 States and the District of Columbia, to settle allegations that Warner-Lambert conducted an unlawful marketing campaign for the drug Neurontin (gabapentin) that violated state consumer protection laws.

SEE: Neurontin Used for Pain: Doctors Influenced by Drug Reps

It?s my job to figure out what a physician?s price is. For some it?s dinner at the finest restaurants, for others it?s enough convincing data to let them prescribe confidently and for others it?s my attention and friendship?but at the most basic level, everything is for sale and everything is an exchange. - Shahram Ahari. Read more

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The drug reps that I have seen come into my doctors office are very often female with nice asses.

not sure how they might use that power of pursuasion though.
 

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Lawsuit alleges kickbacks paid to local doctors
Wednesday, August 13, 2008
By Steve Twedt, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
A Monroeville medical supply company has filed suit against six out-of-state medical device companies, alleging they made kickback payments to several local doctors to gain a competitive edge.

Named as defendants are Zimmer Inc. and Zimmer Holdings Inc.; DuPuy Orthopedics; and Biomet Inc., all of Warsaw, Ind.; Smith and Nephew Inc. of Memphis, Tenn.; Stryker Orthopedics of Mahweh, N.J.; and Stryker Inc., of Kalamazoo, Mich.

More than two dozen local physicians also are mentioned in the suit, with a listing of payments allegedly made to them by the defendants. The payments ranged from less than $100 to more than $8 million.

In the suit, filed in U.S. District Court in Pittsburgh on Monday, Richard and Holly McCullough, owners of Intermedics-McCullough, say the companies blocked them out of the market with inferior and more costly products by offering kickbacks "for the purpose of gaining exclusive access to the lucrative replacement hip, knee and joint industry and to the orthopedic industry in general."

Intermedics-McCullough sold replacement hip joints, knees, shoulder implants and other orthopedic and surgical products to local hospitals and orthopedic surgeons.

According to the suit, it was an independent contractor for Sulzer-Medica Inc. with an exclusive agreement to sell its products in the western half of Pennsylvania and West Virginia.

But, from 1988 to 2007, the McCulloughs said the defendants "paid illegal kickbacks and provided numerous forms of illegal payments" to doctors and hospitals, and that sales began to drop after 1996.

"The defendant's kickbacks and illegal payments prevented McCullough from competing in the replacement hip, knee and joint industry in his territory and destroyed his business," the lawsuit says.

The suit contends that the companies combined made more than 2,000 payments "for the purpose of inducing the physicians and institutions to buy its products and to not do business" with competitors.

The largest payment, according to the suit, was $8,073,997 from Zimmer to Dr. Harry Rubash, :scared :scared formerly of UPMC and now chief of orthopedic surgery at Massachusetts General Hospital. Other payments included up to $825,000 in "royalty income" to Dr. James D'Antonio from Stryker, $408,000 from Zimmer to Dr. Anthony DiGoia's consulting company, and up to $300,000 by DuPuy to Dr. Lawrence Crossett.
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Doctors took MRI kickbacks, suit says
State alleges fraud costs insurers, patients millions
By Bruce Japsen and Tribune Staff Reporter
January 18, 2007

The Illinois attorney general?s office claims that more than 20Chicago-area radiology centers engaged in a widespread scheme to win referralsfor MRIs by paying illegal kickbacks to doctors.
The alleged scheme, which potentially resulted in health insurers beingbilled fraudulently for millions of dollars in claims, was disclosed in alawsuit kept under seal until Wednesday, when the state announced that it wasjoining the suit as a plaintiff.
According to the suit, the doctors paid the centers a reduced rate for themagnetic resonance imaging and other services but charged patients? healthinsurers a higher rate, keeping the difference.
The MRIs were performed at the radiology centers, though the financialarrangement made it appear that the doctors were in charge of the equipmentand billed the services as their own, the suit said. The attorney general?soffice alleged that the centers concocted ?sham `lease? agreements? to benefitthe doctors, who then referred patients to the centers, sometimes forunnecessary tests.
?Illinois has a clear policy against kickbacks, and making payments todoctors for referral of patients is illegal, no matter how those payments aredisguised,? Atty. Gen. Lisa Madigan said in a statement. ?Our investigationrevealed evidence showing that this practice occurs among doctors andradiology centers in Illinois. This is an illegal practice that must stop.?
The lawsuit was filed in February 2006 by the owner of a radiology servicein Illinois. The suit was kept under seal in Cook County Circuit Court whileMadigan?s office investigated and decided whether to intervene. According tothe suit, the scheme had been in place for 18 months prior to the suit beingfiled.
The scope of the fraud outlined in the lawsuit could cost insurers andconsumers millions of dollars, an attorney involved in the case said. Understate law, penalties can run as high as $10,000 for each fraudulent claimbilled to an insurance company.
The number of claims could run into the thousands. The attorney general?soffice said the scope of the alleged fraud is still being calculated.
The ordering of diagnostic tests such as MRIs by doctors has long beenconsidered a significant contributor to soaring health-care costs.

Under a scenario outlined by attorneys involved in the case, a physician may pay $400 as a ?lease rate,? then that physician bills the privateinsurance company $1,000, pocketing the difference for doing nothing otherthan referring the patient.
Although only 11 companies that operate MRI centers were named in thelawsuit, the attorney general?s office thinks the scheme stretches beyondIllinois and across the country.

A spokeswoman for one of the operators, MIDILLC of Virginia, which operates 13 Open Advanced MRI facilities in the Chicagoarea, said the company?s general counsel would not comment Wednesday becauseshe had not had time to review the complaint.
?The physicians provide no services, but merely refer the patients,? thelawsuit states. ?Each participating MRI service center involved performs thesubject MRI services and then engages in the making of illegal and unlawfulkickbacks to the physician from payments made by both Illinois citizenpatients and their insurers.?:SIB
No doctors were named in the lawsuit.
An attorney for the plaintiff, John Donaldson, who runs a competing MRIservice, said consumers are harmed because they could be subject to tests thatare not medically necessary because the doctors make money for every time theyrefer a patient for the MRI. Donaldson?s attorney would not disclose the nameor location of her client?s business.
?The harm to consumers is overutilization of imaging services because thereferring physician makes a significant amount of money each time for eachreferral,? said Donaldson?s attorney, Anne Haule of Chicago law firm Ungaretti& Harris. ?It also leads to potential lower quality of the MRI servicesbecause the MRI facility has to share its revenue with the referringphysicians, so they have less money to spend on state-of-the-art equipment andquality personnel.?
By intervening in the case, Madigan?s office essentially takes on the civilprosecution of the case from attorneys for Donaldson, the initial plaintiff.The lawsuit alleges the defendants violated the Consumer Fraud and DeceptiveBusiness Practices Act, Illinois? anti-kickback law and the Insurance FraudPrevention Act. The lawsuit seeks an unspecified amount of restitution,damages and penalties
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Its out there in America everyday. Its rampant.

It has to be stopped.
 
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