Zab Judah-Amir Kahn betting lines...

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if caliente sportsbook in tijuana offers under at -125 at 9.5 rounds

i'm there

5dimes has Khan ITD at -115

that's a nice price

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i just looked at undercard of khan-judah... there seems to be a bunch of juicy tba's

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air vs air
 
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:facepalm:

if caliente sportsbook in tijuana offers under at -125 at 9.5 rounds

i'm there

5dimes has Khan ITD at -115

that's a nice price

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i just looked at undercard of khan-judah... there seems to be a bunch of juicy tba's

:mj07:

air vs air

they`re baiting us...even given all his issues,judah knows how to go rounds...

still,that is tempting...
 

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they`re baiting us...even given all his issues,judah knows how to go rounds...

still,that is tempting...

I was having similar thoughts. I think Khan would be quite happy with a decision win, split, majority or any way he can get it. If Zabby forces the action, Khan will respond I am sure, and then they might mix it up. Khan won't run, and Zab is ring savvy. I just can't forget the image of Khan dropping Maidana with a gorgeous liver shot. OUCH. Khan will wear ole Zabby down.
 

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i'm nostradumbass

i don't see zab being able to stand amir's offense for 12 rounds

lucas and kaizer let zab breathe and rest too much

like freddie roach said, amir will overwhelm zab
 

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Stations Casinos, one of the larger off strip shops, has a round prop; will go 9 full rds.-125/won't +105. I noticed some off shores have over 7.5-190. I like the over 7.5 better. As weasel said, Zabby could slip and slide for at least 8 rounds, or take a cue from the Mosley play book and totally run all freaking nite! They all want to be Bernard Hopkins, but that isn't so easy. Zab was probably born with a mental disorder, and it hasn't gone away yet. Khan forces him to lose focus, and he goes on tilt, as usual.
 

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I don't know why, but I am not feeling comfortable about betting this fight. I feel there are just too many variables. Or maybe I am over analyzing it? Only thing I am sure of is I am not laying 6-1 odds SU on Khan. Maybe Khan rounds 7-9/10-12, something like that. Or Zab by decision as a hedge, even though that seems preposterous!
 

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Don't know jack about Chisora or Fury, unless YOU do! Would love to do that but I was leaning toward Fury based on the little I think I might know.
 

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Vegas lines as of 9am 7/17/2011

Vegas lines as of 9am 7/17/2011

Well, still no real list of props. Khan-500/+375 back. Round prop-will go 8 full -170/won't +150. That's it. And they get pissed off when I ask for a rundown! Lazy mooks sit there staring into space and bitch if I ask them to press a button; "check the sheet, I have to sit on my fat elephant ass so it gets bigger"!!!
 

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I'm thinking Judah does not want to go 12 with a young lion like Khan. Also Judah I think is possibly an improved fighter, if that's possible after so many years of boxing. I think he may finally have his head screwed on all the way and will fight a more tactical, intelligent fight. He is still fast and has power to do damage, which is why I will not lay almost 6-1 on Khan. Way too risky. Khan needs to avoid Judah early for sure. Judah still has the flaw of becoming overly defensive if he starts getting clipped. Judah by KO is an idea at this point at attractive odds.
 

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Article from vegasrunner@pregame.com

Article from vegasrunner@pregame.com

This clash began as a war of words that gained momentum via social media. And after months of jabs being thrown by both fighters on Twitter, they will settle their score in the ring.

Just days before facing Khan (25-1, 17 KO) I spent the afternoon at Judah?s Hit Factory Gym in Las Vegas. The five-time world champion (41-6-2, 28 KO) was adamant about becoming the first boxer to unify the light welterweight titles after doing so at welterweight back in 2005.

Judah thought Khan would face Timothy Bradley (WBO and WBC title holder) and then take on the winner for the undisputed 140-lb. title. Instead, Bradley sat on the sidelines, forcing Khan to look elsewhere for an opponent.

Khan also wants to unify the light welterweight title, but then he wants a shot at Floyd Mayweather if Junior gets past Victor Ortiz.

As Judah puts it, "It fell into my lap" after being involved in so many blockbuster fights over the years.

This one may be the biggest. With a win at age 33, Judah would receive his sixth world title and put his name right at the top of the list to face the likes of a Pacquiao or even a rematch with Mayweather. Zab gave Floyd all he could handle and even knocked him down, although Richard Steele called it a slip, before losing a unanimous decision.

At just 24, Khan is a former Olympic silver medalist who won his first world title at 22. After fighting at lightweight and going through a handful of trainers, including Roger Mayweather, Khan suffered his first defeat at the hands of Breidis Prescott. The devastating KO loss took only 54 seconds, and promoter Frank Warren decided to hand Khan off to trainer Freddie Roach.

Since joining forces with Roach, Khan was moved up to light welterweight where he?s won five straight fights.

And, odds makers have Khan a huge favorite of anywhere from -450 to -550.

This should be an easy night for the Brit. In fact, the Over/Under for rounds is being offered as low as 7? and as high as 9?, reflecting it won?t go the full 12. Most don?t give Judah much of a chance against the younger, quicker, and very likely stronger Khan.

But before you go out and lay that chalk thinking it?s easy money, I urge you to take a look at a very live dog.

At an average lay price of -500, the favorite needs better than an 83% win probability to be worth the money. At the average take-back price of +350, the dog would need to win a little more than 22% to offer value.

It all comes down to value and knowing I?m getting the best of it. The betting value here is on Judah. Since returning to the sport, he?s shown so much of the talent and potential that was taken for granted in the past.

Zab is the first to admit he only has himself to blame for any and all downfalls earlier in his career. It all seemed so easy when he first turned pro at 18 and became a world champion by 20. Rather than work on perfecting his craft, Judah instead relied on sheer talent alone.

And at the highest levels, that?s rarely ever enough to get it done.

After finding his faith and escaping many of the temptations that come with success, Judah is more focused than ever on his career. He is now being trained by six-time world champion Pernell Whittaker and fighting back at his ideal weight class.

It?s Khan?s connection to both Manny Pacquiao and Freddy Roach that is the main reason behind the heavy premium being charged by bookmakers. Because as talented as he may be, Khan has not done enough in the ring to warrant being that heavily favored over a veteran like Judah.

All the talk about Judah not having the toughest chin and not having enough stamina in the later rounds can just as easily be said about Khan.

The only question remaining is whether or not Judah can win this fight if it does go the distance. Khan is a relatively busy fighter who throws in bunches, and he usually is able to get ahead on the score cards. So Judah would have to beat him convincingly to get a decision.

I like the fact that Zab was willing to bet Khan 100k this fight won?t go the distance. It?s obvious both camps figure it ends in a knock out. If that?s the case, we?ve already witnessed a handful of upsets in 2011.

Personally, I don?t believe a Judah victory would be much of an upset at all except at the betting window. The only way I could look to bet this fight is by backing Judah at such generous odds.
 

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I copied and pasted this as this guy said better than I could what I was thinking. Khan at almost 6-1 is way out of line. And because it seems whatever Roach touches turns to gold, well, there it is. If Judah was ever going to rise to the occasion, it is now. Skill, focus, determination and massive experience give Judah a real shot here. Khan could possibly mature into and absolute killing machine, but maybe not just yet, though.
 

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Play; Judah+405; 5Dimes...

Play; Judah+405; 5Dimes...

Well, enough jawing for me. 5Dimes has Judah SU+405 and I bit. Judah by decision is crazy like +1350. My play is Zab. If he is going to be victorious, it's now.
 

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I can understand that in a way, but we know stranger things have happened. I mean, like back in April when Kirkland got dropped 3x in the first round versus a supposed light hitting Ishida. If there was a prop on that happening it would have been like 50,000-1. But it happened. Lets hope for an exciting, competitive fight at least. I have a shot as long as you don't say you parlayed Khan with anything; then I know I am doomed!
 

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yeah, i know man

i'm not saying khan is a lock or anything and zab been working with the magic man.. victor conte

:popcorn2

focking tarver KO'D danny green machine in australia :facepalm:

shit happens in the fight game :sadwave:
 

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yeah, i know man

i'm not saying khan is a lock or anything and zab been working with the magic man.. victor conte

:popcorn2

focking tarver KO'D danny green machine in australia :facepalm:

shit happens in the fight game :sadwave:

conte?...i slept on this one...didn`t know that judah "worked" with conte.....

conte has turned a few careers around in mma(as i read somewhere else,kyle kingsbury has had a resurgence under conte)...

this should scare khan backers just a little....scares me...i have khan in a par...

i`m gonna have to take zab at +400 as a hedge....

thanks for posting that,thongie....:toast:

here`s some more...

http://ringtv.craveonline.com/blog/168131-judah-credits-whitaker-controversial-conte-for-great-camp
 
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