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20% is about 20% too many illegals receiving three hots and a cot on our dime.

Just one reasonable man's opinion.

So what is the answer?

Don't let them be punished for their crime?

Just send them back immediately?

I am thinking if they kill or rape someone the victims or victims family would like them to go to prison.

Let them serve for their crime and then when its been served you send them back.
 

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So what is the answer?

Don't let them be punished for their crime?

Just send them back immediately?

I am thinking if they kill or rape someone the victims or victims family would like them to go to prison.

Let them serve for their crime and then when its been served you send them back.

On the one hand, you want immigration reform, but on the other you do not want to step on any toes in the process. Grow a ball sack.

The following is the post that I made on this tpoic earlier today. As anticipated, I did not receive one response from your kind........


Background: I am the first american born member of my family. A large portion of my family resides in Spain today. My mom immigrated here at the age of 8 and was a US citizen by the time she met my dad. My parents were married in Spain and lived in the Canary Islands until I was conceived.

My father agreed to move here at her insistance, and he was obviously allowed entry and eventual citizenship because he was legally married to a US citizen. My mom has a small spanish accent, while my dad's is severe.

I called my dad, whose accent alone may warrant someone to request his documentation during a traffic stop. He is a 35 year citizen of the US, and the president/CEO of a multi-national corporation, yet said he welcomes the idea, and would gladly provide any documentation necessary- which in his case would be a Louisiana driver's license. He would not take any offense to being asked to prove his citizenship, as he feels that this would be a step in the right direction in terms of controling illegal immigration. If need be, he would begin carrying his passport. I was proud to hear his response.

If you are legal, and you want to solve the illegal immigration issues, then you are behind this. It is time that we take back our borders. I love immigration, and promote legal immigration as much as anyone I know, but something needs to be done, and I feel that police requesting citizenship documentation during the course performing their duty(i.e. during a traffic stop, at a domestic call, etc.) makes perfect sense.
 

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So what is the answer?

Don't let them be punished for their crime?

Just send them back immediately?

I am thinking if they kill or rape someone the victims or victims family would like them to go to prison.

Let them serve for their crime and then when its been served you send them back.

Almost forgot, the answer is to toughen up on immigration adn remove ALL civil rights from those here illegally. I said it....ALL civil rights. If you are here illegally, then you should be scooped up and deported without any questions.
 

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On the one hand, you want immigration reform, but on the other you do not want to step on any toes in the process. Grow a ball sack.

The following is the post that I made on this tpoic earlier today. As anticipated, I did not receive one response from your kind........


Background: I am the first american born member of my family. A large portion of my family resides in Spain today. My mom immigrated here at the age of 8 and was a US citizen by the time she met my dad. My parents were married in Spain and lived in the Canary Islands until I was conceived.

My father agreed to move here at her insistance, and he was obviously allowed entry and eventual citizenship because he was legally married to a US citizen. My mom has a small spanish accent, while my dad's is severe.

I called my dad, whose accent alone may warrant someone to request his documentation during a traffic stop. He is a 35 year citizen of the US, and the president/CEO of a multi-national corporation, yet said he welcomes the idea, and would gladly provide any documentation necessary- which in his case would be a Louisiana driver's license. He would not take any offense to being asked to prove his citizenship, as he feels that this would be a step in the right direction in terms of controling illegal immigration. If need be, he would begin carrying his passport. I was proud to hear his response.

If you are legal, and you want to solve the illegal immigration issues, then you are behind this. It is time that we take back our borders. I love immigration, and promote legal immigration as much as anyone I know, but something needs to be done, and I feel that police requesting citizenship documentation during the course performing their duty(i.e. during a traffic stop, at a domestic call, etc.) makes perfect sense.

I read your post.

What the fuck does that have to do with illegals who commit crimes?

And don't tell me to go grow a sack.

What are you twelve.

I thought we were having a discussion I guess I was supposed to comment on your every post.
 

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Almost forgot, the answer is to toughen up on immigration adn remove ALL civil rights from those here illegally. I said it....ALL civil rights. If you are here illegally, then you should be scooped up and deported without any questions.

What the fuck are you even talking about.

If an illegal commits a crime your response is to just send them back?

You said the 20% of illegals in prison is 20% too many.

Well what happens when one of them commits a crime? You just send them back? They do not have to be punished for their actions?
 

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it is strange,isn`t it?...i mean,who knows why those miguided arizonans would want to protect their peeps from ms-13/mexican drug cartel violence, safeguard the public treasury, or prevent the strain on their already choked social services?...

i mean, not doing that has done wonders for l.a.!..


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I read your post.

What the fuck does that have to do with illegals who commit crimes?

And don't tell me to go grow a sack.

What are you twelve.

I thought we were having a discussion I guess I was supposed to comment on your every post.

My point is that illegals should not be here to begin with, not that criminals should not be punished. Scoop up non-criminal illegals and ship them out. Punish criminals for violent offenses. Put rapists in a guantanamo-style prison, then deport them after their term. Hang murderers and child molesters swiftly. They are not legal, so not entitled to the rights that we enjoy. Swift trials, limited appeals.

It is like raising a child. Keep looking the otehr way, and see what happens. Set rules, discuss the consequences, and enforce the rules, and your child will learn the correct way of doing things.
 

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Drug offenders and non-violent criminals should be deported immediately without trial, as there is no need to house them.......
 

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speaking of gangs,can anyone explain why people that run from cops for a living wear baggy pants?...

it just doesn`t seem suitable for folks that chose this career path...:confused:
 
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Learn something new every day. I'll have my guard up when I'm around people wearing baggy pants from now on ;)

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guarantee i could beat either one of these mofos in a footrace.....of course,they "could" smuggle a medium sized watermelon out of a grocery store by hiding it in their crotch....

i couldn`t do that even in my $9.99 walmart lounge pants...
 

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Illegals shouldn't be here period,hence the word "illegal". If they can be here illegally then i should be able to rob a bank and get away with it without punishment its the same shit,apparently i woldn't be doing an illegal activity :rolleyes:
 

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Arizona governor: Boycott is misguided

Jan Brewer, the governor of Arizona, responds to calls for sports boycotts of her state

Special to ESPN.com

In my 28 years of public service, I have made a lot of tough calls. But with a federal government unwilling to secure our border for years and years, Arizona is left with little choice. Imagine a sporting event in which rules have been agreed to for 70 years, but the umpires refuse to enforce those rules. It makes no sense. Although I recognize that Arizona Senate Bill 1070, as amended, is not the entire solution to our illegal immigration problem in Arizona, most people are united in the hope that it will finally inspire the politicians in Washington, D.C., to stop talking and to start action now.

By now, sports fans everywhere have heard something about the passage of Senate Bill 1070, a measure I signed into law. It has resulted in protests outside ballparks hosting our Arizona Diamondbacks and has led to calls on Major League Baseball commissioner Bud Selig to strip the City of Phoenix's opportunity to host baseball's Midsummer Classic in July 2011.

Urging Major League Baseball to take away next year's All-Star Game from Phoenix is the wrong play. In Arizona, both proponents and opponents of Senate Bill 1070 have stated that economic boycotts are an inappropriate and misguided response to an issue that is clearly worthy of proper public debate and discourse. Put simply, history shows that boycotts backfire and harm innocent people. Boycotts are just more politics and manipulation by out-of-state interests. As a border state, Arizona has already paid a heavy price for the federal government's failure -- hundreds of millions, if not billions, of dollars in unreimbursed costs -- and its citizens should not be punished further.

It is critically important that all Americans understand the impetus for this new law and have a clear understanding of the law itself. Our neighbor to the south, Mexico, is in a massive battle with well-organized drug cartels. Because of Washington's failure to secure our southern border, Arizona has become the superhighway of illegal drug and human smuggling activity. In December 2008, the U.S. Justice Department said that Mexican gangs are the "biggest organized crime threat to the United States." In 2009, Phoenix had 316 kidnapping cases, turning the city into our nation's kidnapping capital. Almost all of the persons kidnapped were illegal immigrants or linked to the drug trade.

Essentially, our border leaks like a team with a last-place defense. The very same week that I signed the new law, a major drug ring was broken up and Mexican cartel operatives suspected of running 40,000 pounds of marijuana through southern Arizona were indicted.

While drug smuggling is the principal cause of our massive border-violence problem, many of the same criminal organizations also smuggle people. Busts of drop houses, where illegal immigrants are often held for ransom or otherwise severely abused, are not uncommon occurrences in Arizona neighborhoods.

Today, Arizona has approximately 6,000 prison inmates who are foreign nationals, representing a cost to our state of roughly $150 million per year. Arizona taxpayers are paying for a vast majority of these incarceration expenses because the federal government refuses to pay what it owes. Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano, as governor of Arizona, sent numerous requests to the federal government to pay for these prisoners -- only to be given the same answer she and President Barack Obama are now giving Arizona: They will not pay the bill.

When I signed the legislation, I stated clearly I will not tolerate racial discrimination or racial profiling in Arizona. My administration worked for weeks with legislators to improve SB 1070, to specifically clarify and strengthen its civil rights protections. I issued an executive order to implement proper training and enforcement protocols for our police so that the intent of the language could not be misconstrued. Although it is already against the law, the new law undeniably prohibits law enforcement officers from considering race, color or national origin in implementing the new statute.

I have worked for years without fail to solve problems diligently and practically. I have done so always with an eye toward civility, and always with the greatest respect for the rule of law.

This new law is no different. As committed as I am to protecting our state from crime associated with illegal immigration, I am equally committed to holding law enforcement accountable should this statute ever be misused to violate an individual's rights.

There have been countless distortions, honest omissions, myths and bad information about Arizona's new law -- many, undoubtedly, spread to create fear or mistrust.

So here are the facts:

1. The new Arizona law creates a state penalty to mirror what already is a federal crime. Despite the most vile and hate-filled portrayals of proponents of the law as "Nazis," actions that have been condemned nationally by the Anti-Defamation League, it is ALREADY a federal requirement for legal aliens in the United States to carry their green card or other immigration document. The new Arizona law enforces what has been a federal crime since before World War II. As anyone who has traveled abroad knows, other nations have similar laws.

2. Contrary to many of the horror stories being spread -- President Obama suggested families risk being pulled over while going out for ice cream -- law enforcement cannot randomly ask anyone about their immigration status. Much like enforcement of seat belt laws in many states, under SB 1070 there must first be reasonable suspicion that you are breaking some OTHER non-immigration law before an officer can ask a person about their legal status. Only then, after law enforcement officers have a "reasonable suspicion" that another law has been broken, can they inquire about immigration status -- but ONLY if that individual's behavior provides "reasonable suspicion" that the person is here illegally.

"Reasonable suspicion" is a well-understood concept that has been thoroughly vetted through numerous federal court cases. Many have asked: What is reasonable suspicion? Is it race, skin color or national origin? No! Racial profiling is prohibited in the new law. Examples of reasonable suspicion include: a person running away when approached by law enforcement officers, or a car failing to stop when the police turn on their lights and siren.

3. Arizona's local law enforcement officers, who already reflect the great diversity of culture in our state, are going to be trained to enforce the new immigration law in a constitutional manner. It is shameful and presumptive for opponents to question the good will and the competence of Arizona's law enforcement personnel. The specter that is raised of rogue, racist police harassing people is insulting to those in Arizona who risk their lives in the name of law enforcement every day.

President Theodore Roosevelt said, "No man is above the law and no man is below it; nor do we ask any man's permission when we require him to obey it. Obedience to the law is demanded as a right; not asked as a favor." Arizona has been more than patient waiting for Washington to act. Decades of federal inaction and misguided policy have created a dangerous and unacceptable situation. Arizona has acted to enforce the rule of law equally and without bias toward any person.

It is time for our country to act to resolve our border security problem; an economic boycott in Arizona would only exacerbate it -- and hurt innocent families and businesses merely seeking to survive during these difficult economic times.

A boycott that would actually improve border security would be to boycott illegal drugs. Dramatically less drug use and production would do wonders for the safety of all our communities.


Jan Brewer is the governor of Arizona.
 
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