Halleluja!!

[Toledo Prophet]

The ever so corrupt Daley now saying taxes will have to be raised if the gun ban gets over turned. As if ANYTHING was going to stop him from raising taxes/fees/fines/charges. Right now he's trying to have a kids museum built in Grant Park. Against what the locals and the area alderman wants. Against what has been historically been seen as sacred ground. But the PRITZKERS want it. BFD! So the Mayor is steamrolling it through. He can't do any steamrolling this time LOL

Yes I do hate this fuking puke.

Same guy was fighting police/fire contact raises during 9/11.

I'll be glad when I live outside of this city.

Between the City of Chicago, Cook County and our Oval Office in DC we can see what happens when nepotism permeates our public offices. Our mayor (although, I cant say our any more since I am over here in Ohio) and our president would be nowhere if their names were Richard Smith and George Lewis respectively. Too bad those aren't their names as a great country and great city would be better off.

Sigh.

Anyway,here's hoping the Sox gets the sweep tonight!!

 

[Toledo Prophet]

I have never been one for any of these bans....I am all for expanding rights, not constricting them....not sure if that sentiment makes me a liberal or a conservative.

Anyway, in lieu of the above commentary of the racial makeup of crimes and what not......i do think some of these gun laws have value if looked upon from this perspective......how did the authorities finally crack organized crime like Capone's mob?They nailed him on income tax invasion. Now, we have these inner city gangs destroying our cities. We cant seem to pin them down for any of the violence they commit, but if we can throw them in the clink for a long time if they're caught with a illegal weapon......well, thats a win, in my book.

Most of these "cats" carry something more large than a simple handgun, so I think there's a way to follow this route without prohibiting people who live in those areas from carrying hand gunsto protect themselves.

But, I am probably making too much sense for the fringe crowds on both sides of this issue. :shrug:

 

[Cie]

I have never been one for any of these bans....I am all for expanding rights, not constricting them....not sure if that sentiment makes me a liberal or a conservative.

Anyway, in lieu of the above commentary of the racial makeup of crimes and what not......i do think some of these gun laws have value if looked upon from this perspective......how did the authorities finally crack organized crime like Capone's mob?They nailed him on income tax invasion. Now, we have these inner city gangs destroying our cities. We cant seem to pin them down for any of the violence they commit, but if we can throw them in the clink for a long time if they're caught with a illegal weapon......well, thats a win, in my book.

Most of these "cats" carry something more large than a simple handgun, so I think there's a way to follow this route without prohibiting people who live in those areas from carrying hand gunsto protect themselves.

But, I am probably making too much sense for the fringe crowds on both sides of this issue. :shrug:

Excellent post. I agree with each point. In a ''black or white'' society, it's always nice to run across folks who deal in shades of grey.


I don't own a firearm, nor do I anticipate obtaining one in the future. Like you, I prefer the liberty to make my own decisions in most cases. However, it is my sincere opinion that automatic weapons, aussault rifles, etc., should be banned completely with a no mercy law. If you get convicted of carrying one, then you go to jail for a substantial mandatory term. Seems like everybody wins this way.

 

[smurphy]

This link was sent to me by a black friend....

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm

Looks like some tremendous progress occurred in the 1990's. The overall trend appears to be decreasing. I'd say that's encouraging.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Excellent post. I agree with each point. In a ''black or white'' society, it's always nice to run across folks who deal in shades of grey.


I don't own a firearm, nor do I anticipate obtaining one in the future. Like you, I prefer the liberty to make my own decisions in most cases. However, it is my sincere opinion that automatic weapons, aussault rifles, etc., should be banned completely with a no mercy law. If you get convicted of carrying one, then you go to jail for a substantial mandatory term. Seems like everybody wins this way.

Tough for citizens to have auto weapons--generally only criminal element has them--which would be same for other fire arms if banned.

Agree--no excuse for anyone other than military or law enforcement to have them.

----here is deterant for citizens

Prior to 1934, the U.S. Post office would deliver a Thompson submachine gun to your door, and some farmers bought them to control coyotes. All lawfully owned fully automatic firearms were documented years later by the Treasury Department, and the owners who declared them were provided with "amnesty papers". Those that weren't declared have been illegal ever since, and any dealer will send you packing if you show up without amnesty papers.

Any law-abiding U.S. citizen, with the approval of the local authorities (typically the Sheriff) and knowledge of the federal BATFE (Bureau of Alcohol, Tax, Firearms and Explosives)can buy a fully automatic firearm through or from a dealer with a class 3 federal license. The guns are scarce, so they are very expensive, and there is a $200 federal transfer fee. They can only be transfered to another qualified buyer through a class 3 dealer and another $200 transfer fee is charged for each transfer. You also need at least a $30 "C&R" permit to transport a full-automatic firearm, even across town to show it to a friend.

These firearms are typically bought by serious collectors and some re-enactors. A very small number of them actually get fired, typically in large desert areas with the knowledge and cooperation of the local and state law enforcement agencies

 

[kosar]

Looks like some tremendous progress occurred in the 1990's. The overall trend appears to be decreasing. I'd say that's encouraging.

Wayne,

Any comment on smurphys observation that the homicides by the blackies went way down in the 90's.

Now, since you proudly said that you have Cie's link, that smurphy is citing, in your 'favorites', we can't fall back on the usual 'bad source' alibi. It's in your favorites.

Would you agree that the homicides by the blackies went way down in the 90's?

 

[kosar]

----here is deterant for citizens

Prior to 1934, the U.S. Post office would deliver a Thompson submachine gun to your door, and some farmers bought them to control coyotes. All lawfully owned fully automatic firearms were documented years later by the Treasury Department, and the owners who declared them were provided with "amnesty papers". Those that weren't declared have been illegal ever since, and any dealer will send you packing if you show up without amnesty papers.

Any law-abiding U.S. citizen, with the approval of the local authorities (typically the Sheriff) and knowledge of the federal BATFE (Bureau of Alcohol, Tax, Firearms and Explosives)can buy a fully automatic firearm through or from a dealer with a class 3 federal license. The guns are scarce, so they are very expensive, and there is a $200 federal transfer fee. They can only be transfered to another qualified buyer through a class 3 dealer and another $200 transfer fee is charged for each transfer. You also need at least a $30 "C&R" permit to transport a full-automatic firearm, even across town to show it to a friend.

These firearms are typically bought by serious collectors and some re-enactors. A very small number of them actually get fired, typically in large desert areas with the knowledge and cooperation of the local and state law enforcement agencies

What the hell does any of this mean? Or better yet, what is the point? You go out drinking with smurphy tonight?

 

[djv]

Kosar the 90's with all those jobs might have helped. I wonder what the numbers were before I believe 1900 when it became leigal for blacks to buy a gun. Not saying they didn't have them. But were allowed to buy them. We know what happen down South if a gun was found in there home even later then 1940's.

 

[Cie]

Looks like some tremendous progress occurred in the 1990's. The overall trend appears to be decreasing. I'd say that's encouraging.

I was pleasantly surprised at the apparent reduction in the national murder rate by 50% since the early 90's. Much of this occurred on Clinton's watch. Any clue as to why:shrug:

 

[Cie]

Kosar the 90's with all those jobs might have helped. .

Makes sense for sure......

 

[smurphy]

I was pleasantly surprised at the apparent reduction in the national murder rate by 50% since the early 90's. Much of this occurred on Clinton's watch. Any clue as to why:shrug:

Don't know why. Maybe the general plight of inner cities was getting better.:shrug:

 

[Cie]

Don't know why. Maybe the general plight of inner cities was getting better.:shrug:

Was thinking the same, but have no data or personal experience of inner city life in the 90's to back it up.

 

[Roger Baltrey]

Between the City of Chicago, Cook County and our Oval Office in DC we can see what happens when nepotism permeates our public offices. Our mayor (although, I cant say our any more since I am over here in Ohio) and our president would be nowhere if their names were Richard Smith and George Lewis respectively. Too bad those aren't their names as a great country and great city would be better off.

Sigh.

Anyway,here's hoping the Sox gets the sweep tonight!!

To IO and Toledo Prophet,

I am an ex Chicagoan who travels all over the country and goes back frequently. It is the best, cleanest big city in the country hands down. Whatever tactics he has used (nepotism, corruption, heavy handedness) the man has an vision and that city Rocks. It has more young wealthy people living in the city limits than any other city by percentage. His lakefront is incredible and he did this over the objection of many. Check out Detroit or L.A. or Houston or Philly some time and then complain about Mayor Daiey!

 

[BobbyBlueChip]

To IO and Toledo Prophet,

I am an ex Chicagoan who travels all over the country and goes back frequently. It is the best, cleanest big city in the country hands down. Whatever tactics he has used (nepotism, corruption, heavy handedness) the man has an vision and that city Rocks. It has more young wealthy people living in the city limits than any other city by percentage. His lakefront is incredible and he did this over the objection of many. Check out Detroit or L.A. or Houston or Philly some time and then complain about Mayor Daiey!

Obviously, you haven't seen the misery index

 

[Roger Baltrey]

Obviously, you haven't seen the misery index

He doesn't control the weather and the traffic.

 

[BobbyBlueChip]

no, he doesn't - nor does he control what the inputs are in a stupid index.

My kind of town - it's recession proof, too

 

[Roger Baltrey]

Agree Bobby, when the man leaves people will understand what kind of effect he had on the city. I know young families who are staying in the city now instead of running to the burbs like in the old days and in every other big city. I am coming in next week and can't wait to see it again. Chicago Rocks!

 

[smurphy]

Obviously, you haven't seen the misery index

:mj07: :mj07: :mj07:

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Wayne,

Any comment on smurphys observation that the homicides by the blackies went way down in the 90's.

Now, since you proudly said that you have Cie's link, that smurphy is citing, in your 'favorites', we can't fall back on the usual 'bad source' alibi. It's in your favorites.

Would you agree that the homicides by the blackies went way down in the 90's?

1st point on automatic weapons is they are not accessable to most citizens--

--on your 2nd point I welcome improvement in any area from anyone--however long way to go--
When you got 12% of population committing over half of homicides--I think there is still work to be done--as with the 70% illegitamacy rates-school drop out rates-poverty etc etc.

How about everyone getting together to find solution to prob instead of making excuses--and having a candidate for pres--who was particpant in congregation for 20 years with mentor/uncle that is root of prob.

 

[Toledo Prophet]

To IO and Toledo Prophet,

I am an ex Chicagoan who travels all over the country and goes back frequently. It is the best, cleanest big city in the country hands down. Whatever tactics he has used (nepotism, corruption, heavy handedness) the man has an vision and that city Rocks. It has more young wealthy people living in the city limits than any other city by percentage. His lakefront is incredible and he did this over the objection of many. Check out Detroit or L.A. or Houston or Philly some time and then complain about Mayor Daiey!

Roger,

I love the city to.....lived there for five years.....I cant say it any better than you did, in that it rocks!!

Perhaps I was a bit harsh on Jr. My beef with him is more of a personality thing than anything else. Seems a bit too big for his britches. Also, never been a big fan of the whole political machine, if you will, so I naturally rebel when I see that.

One thing about Jr is that he truly cares deeply about the city and it shows. Sometimes, though, his rhetoric is just a bit over the top for me!