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good work anthony .. i took the draw betn senegal and turkey at
-110 in the 72'nd minute just before line changed to -330 :D

small bet as usual for me but a win is a win :)

Glad to see u got the Senegal +0.5

Cheers !!!
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Germany@Korea 7:30 AM EST


Some things that worry me about the Germany game, from a Korean point of view:

Tired legs - Team Korea has done a lot of running the past week, with 2 double overtime games in a row. Kim Nam-il, who is so important in Korea's midfield, will be out. He helped shut down Portugal, frustrated the heck out of Totti until he sprained his ankle, and played the first half against Spain until he got spiked. After he left against Spain, Joaquin ran wild on the Lee Eul-yong, Kim's replacement, with Lee Young-pyo switching over into the middle. Ahn Jung-hwan also got kicked in the chest and has a bruise, but should be able to play. Kim Tae-young played his heart out - what a race with Luis Enrique to stop a possible breakaway. But he definitely played tentatively with a broken nose, thanks to Vieri, and was replaced by Hwang, I believe.

Sneaky Klose - Klose is another controversy waiting to happen. His diving against the US was very surprising. Arena, as gracious a sport as there is, mentioned how surprised he was at how easily the big strong Germans went down. The refs will be tested again.

Air attack - Germans will try to take it to the air as much as possible. Korea usually has a good air game, but Spain dominated against Korea in the air, winning most of the 50-50 balls. Korea's tired legs do not help. Choi Jin-cheul had a very strong game against Spain, and as Korea's tallest defender at 1.87m, he has to rule the skies against the Germans.

Set pieces - Korea defended well for the most part against Spain's set pieces. German's best chance to score will be from their set pieces, I believe.

Weather - If it rains, does that help Korea or Germany? The ball gets faster and little bit more unpredictable, but the wet turf slows down the players.

Referee - Please, no more controversies.



Why I could see a Germany victory


The Koreans biggest asset, their fitness, will be less of a factor due to having played two double overtimes within the past 4 or 5 days.

The Germans, who are very efficient passers and tacklers, will make the Koreans run a lot.

The Germans biggest asset, their size and heading ability, is Korea's biggest weakness. I wouldn't be surprised to see Jancker in for Nueville in order to further exploit this advantage.

The Germans are deadly on set pieces and the Koreans are not great on defense of set pieces.

The Koreans, while their approach play is often excellent, are not the best finishers.

Oliver Kahn is a monster. The Koreans will have be better than their very best in order to beat a solid German defense and the amazing Kahn.

While whining about the refs is pointless, Korea's luck with the calls in the last two games was unquestionably very good. Their luck is likely to run out. True, the Germans were lucky on the Frings no-call hand-ball against the USA, but that was an inadvertant hand ball (the ball played the arm, not the other way around). As much as I wanted the penalty for the USA, I had to admit that the no-call was justifiable.

The Germans know how to get results. Yes, their play has been lackluster at times, but they fight enough and are smart enough to get positive results.


Korea's only REAL advantage coming into this game is they are playing at their true home ground - Seoul. The most claustrophobic and biggest stadium in Korea.. I wonder how the Germans will handle it.

The Germans have all the cards going in this match:

- They will most probably get a few calls going their way. The refs are aware of the controversy and don't want to look any worse.
- Korea won't be the fitness freaks they were in the group stage. All their key players have run their arses off (250 minutes in 4 days)
- Germany has prepared to face a team like Korea with their defeat of the USA
- Germans get their goals from set-pieces and headers. Korea's two defensive weaknesses..
- Oliver Kahn is a MONSTER. What are you supposed to do to get a goal against him??

I won't be surprised at all if Korea end up losing this match the same way Spain did..in controversy.. because of the people who overreacted to the one truly obvious mistake by the referee (which by the way would probably have been stopped by the keeper had he even cared)

Prediction:
Germany 1 Korea 0 in extra time
With a mistake by the ref which may have resulted in a Korean goal (I'M NOT SAYING DISALLOWED GOAL THERE IS NO SUCH THING UNLESS THE WHISTLE ISN'T BLOWN) in the first half

Hence I am making a play on the under for 2 units

UNDER 2.5 -155
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You guys don't know how nervous I was at the end there, man was that ever so close on the 2nd half UNDER -1.5, wow.

Recap: 2-0, +22.00 Units

I really needed this...

Record: 17-13, -12.03 units

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good job on the 2nd half under:clap: +22.00 units on one game:toast:
lookin at the brazil game now, be back later.
 

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Am I invited? :) , Congrats on a great nite with the Under Germany/Korea. Way to go TIME TO MAKE $$$. Good luck today.

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Thanks for the kind words guys, here is how I see the Brazil-Turkey game:



"...Gunes sensationally revealed he could pair Ilhan Mansiz with Hakan Sukur up front. A change of tactics is also being considered by Gunes, who could be more daring than in Turkey's first encounter with the Tetracampeao outfit. The Turkish boss could then rely on a 5-man midfield and 3 defenders.."



This could be interesting, also dangerous in my opinion, if Gunes plays attacking football vs Brazil. It could be a blow for blow match..

On another note, I don't see why the media are thinking this is gonna be a romp.

Other than Brazil's loss in the final last time, there are VERY few blowouts at this stage of the cup because everything's so tactical.

Ger 1:0 Kor. Last time's semis: 2-1, penalties. Before that: 1-0, 2-1. Before that: both penalties.

And just adding up players, Turkey seems to me to have the advantage in at least six positions--Rustu, Alpay, Tugay, Davala, Sas (as midfielder), Basturk.

Brazil have Roberto Carlos, Ronaldo and Rivaldo. I would've said, Lucio, too, but his clanker against England was horrible. I guess add Cafu, on a good day, but he hasn't been as good as Davala in this WC.

Roque Junior/Edmilson and Bulint/Fatih seems like a tossup.

Even giving Brazil the benefit of the doubt, I think they could get swamped with Turkey's midfield work, especially if they do go 3-5-2. It's still 6-5 or 7-4 advantage to Turkey, in my opinion, in terms of positions.

But Gunes has to learn the lesson from the England game--don't give Brazil too much respect. Ronaldo WILL tire in the second half.

But Brazil is clearly the favorite.....

Brazil Goals For 15
Turkey Goals for 7

If you throw out their respective results against China, the only weakling in Brazil's opponents, in regulation:

Brazil: Goals for: 11 (2.75 per match)
Turkey goals for: 3 (0.75 per match)

In defense
Brazil Goals allowed: 4
Turkey Goals allowed: 3

Post round of 16 opponents:
Brazil: Belgium, England
Turkey: Japan, Senegal


With all this said, I expect Brazil to advance and the wager of Turkey +1.5 -185 is tempting, but I smell a trap.



My previous 5 unit wager was a three way wager, not a ML wager, hence Pinnacle was kind enought to cancel my wager.

Plays:

2 units UNDER 1.5 1st H @-223
1 Unit Turkey +1.5 -185
2 units Brazil -.5 @ -195
1 unit UNDER 2.5@ -120


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Sure, I go 4-0, but small units, if I had wagered larger units I am sure I would have gone 0-4,

Nice to finally get a sweep

Recap: 4-0, + 6.00 Units


Record: 21-13, -6.03 units
;) :)

Congrats to Brazil, I am off to join the SAMBA party happening in Little Brazil area in Toronto, nothing like seeing beautiful cladly dressed women at 9 30 in the morning
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Here's one prediction:

Absent the context that makes a 3rd-place match largely irrelevant and makes a WC Finals match more important than any other match, S.Korea-Turkey will be a better match than Brazil-Germany. The Koreans and Turks are much more likely to play an open, entertaining match ... what does either team have to lose? ... while Germany is almost certain to at best play their usual "we'll eventually get one goal on a cross or freekick and Kahn will then shut down the other team" or at worst go for 0-0 and penalties.

Of course, the matches are NOT absent the context, so the Brazil-Germany match is the one to watch. But I predict three goals in the 3rd place match and one goal in the championship match.

Play:

Korea 2 units OVER 2.5 +115
Brazil 6 units UNDER 2.5 -159

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Key's to Germany's Victory

1. Maintain your shape defensively. Do not push up from the back so much that you expose yourself to a quick counter.

2. Try to slow the pace of the match. Work hard at winning balls particularly in the midfield. This to me is the biggest hurdle for Germany. Without Ballack, they are without a creative midfielder.

3. Foul tactically. Foul Brasil when they have space and room to run at the top of the attacking third, not deep into it.

4. Play hard, challenge and mark Ronaldo, Rivaldo and Ronaldinho out of the match. Force the other players to beat you. Doing so will force Brasil to rely on the wing play of Roberto Carlos and Cafu. This could expose Brasil to counter attacks.

5. Don't play the ball up the middle of the field, play the flanks particularly if Carlos and Cafu overlap.

6. Be patient. The longer the game goes, the more desperate Brasil will be to pull back a goal.

7. Pick your chances to counterattack.

8. Oliver Kahn must come up big again


I think the key to beating Brasil is controlling the midfield and frustrating their attack before the forwards can ever break with the ball. In the 98 Cup, two teams were very successful with this against Brasil - Holland and France. It seemed they dominated the possession in the middle third of the field.

I do not propose trying to "beat Brasil at their own game", but they key IMO is not to pull into a shell and try to defend everything. Defend AND counterattack, letting possession be part of your defense, and continue to pressure Brasil's defense. They will make mistakes under pressure, IF you can keep it on them and not make sporadic advances.

Germany's strength is Brasil's weakness - organization and tactical passing. Brasil will overpower them given the slightest opportuntity, but as the game goes on, they will become more frustrated (as in Rivaldo's selfishness towards the end of the game if he hasn't scored yet).

I think the odds are about 60-65% in Brasil's favor, but I can definately see Germany with a clear chance. If Kahn plays brilliantly, he could keep them in long enough to break Brasil down.


GL and enjoy the game!!!
 
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