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These do a pretty good job of explaining, I think. I cut and pasted parts of the articles bellow each...



http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/conspiracy_files/6354139.stm

"But in the 20th Century, and particularly since the 1960s, conspiracy theories have increasingly pointed the finger of blame at the powerful, usually the government and the intelligence agencies.

In effect, the principal target of conspiracy theories has shifted from the "red scare" of McCarthy's distrust of communism to the "fed scare" - a deep distrust of anything official.

This is partly a result of a loss of faith in authorities in recent decades: opinion polls show that in the US in the early 1960s three quarters of Americans trusted the government, but by the 1990s only a quarter claimed to do so. "



http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/conspiracy_files/6213226.stm


"Conspiracy theories abound all across the world and psychologists have begun to try to understand why people believe in conspiracy theories.

My own research suggests that people think that a major or significant event must have been caused by something similarly major, significant or powerful.

Magnitude of explanation

However, often official accounts for events, or more mundane, everyday explanations, fail to seem big enough.


We do not feel particularly comfortable with the idea that something unpredictable or accidental like a car crash could have a big effect like the death of a Princess, or that a single mad gunman could assassinate the most powerful man in the world.

That troubles our sense of the world as being a relatively stable, safe place to live in.

Sometimes we try and cast around for an explanation that matches the magnitude of the event that we see in front of us, and conspiracy theories can provide that explanation.

Psychological tests I have carried out suggest that the more you believe in conspiracy theories the more likely you are to mistrust reported facts.

This is, on one level at least, obvious. But it is important to help us to understand how conspiracy theorists often deal with those taking a critical position.

For instance, when I first started working in the area I received a number of messages from individuals implying I was working for some secretive government organization or another. This, they claimed, must explain why I was asking the questions I was."





http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/6368341.stm

"I think the most potent targets for conspiracy theories are events of disproportionate tragedy. For example, the president of the United States is assassinated by a lone gunman. It doesn't seem fair, it doesn't seem right, it can't be. This one guy couldn't have done it - there must be larger forces at work."


The most potent targets for conspiracy theory are events of disproportionate tragedy

Frank Spotnitz, The X Files writer


Frank Spotnitz on conspiracy theories
And so we take comfort in complicated stories about wider conspiracies, usually involving remote, distant figures.

In the past it was mythical gods and monsters. In the more secular modern world, ancient superstitions have been discarded - now it's out-of-touch leaders and unseen government agencies who fill the role of the bogeymen.

We find it reassuring to create an explanation that vindicates our world view. It reinforces our beliefs, suspicions and, yes, even our prejudices.



http://www.economist.com/science/PrinterFriendly.cfm?Story_ID=1648616


Meanwhile, back on planet Earth, Patrick Leman of Royal Holloway, a college of the University of London, has presented the results of his research into conspiracy theories to the annual meeting of the British Psychological Society, which was held last week in Bournemouth. He thinks the reason people believe in conspiracy theories is that humans have an innate tendency to try to link major events with major causes.

To test this idea Dr Leman presented 64 students with clippings of articles that looked as though they had been taken from a newspaper. In fact, the articles had been made up. They were about the president of a fictional country, and they came in four versions, of which each student saw but one. In the first version, the president was shot and killed. In the second, he was shot but survived. In the third, the shot missed, but he died shortly afterwards from an unrelated cause. In the fourth, the shot missed and he lived. The students were asked to rate the likely truth of six statements on the subject of whether the assassin was a gunman acting alone, or whether there was a conspiracy at work. They were also asked to rate the accuracy of the ?facts? in the article.

Some of the results were unsurprising. For example, subjects with high general levels of belief in conspiracy theories were much more doubting of the facts in the articles. That fits with what is already known?that people who like conspiracy theories tend to bat away any evidence that contradicts their point of view.

More surprisingly, Dr Leman found that if the fictional president ?died? after the shooting, readers were much more likely to believe that the gunman was part of a conspiracy. This was true even though the other facts in the story were unchanged, and even if the death was due to an unrelated cause, such as a heart attack. This curious observation is the basis of Dr Leman's hypothesis that there is some underlying process in human psychology that assumes that the bigger the effect is, the bigger the cause must have been.





Don't know who this guy is, but the research is interesting...

http://www.world-mysteries.com/newgw/gw_rmd1.htm

Given the number of respondents who admit believing that the four above-mentioned conspiracy theories may be true, we may now examine the possible reasons behind why such a significant portion of the population hold such beliefs.


Goertzel identified three traits as being correlated with a belief in conspiracy theories:


anomia, the respondent stated a belief that he/she felt alienated or disaffection relative to ?the system;?
a tendency to distrust other people; and
a feeling of insecurity regarding continued employment.

Citing Volkan5, who suggested that insecure and/or discontented people very often feel a need for a tangible enemy on which to externalize their anger, Goertzel notes that conspiracy theories may serve to provide an ?enemy? to blame for problems which ?otherwise seem too abstract and impersonal.? He further observes that conspiracy theories also provide ready answers for the believer?s unanswered questions and help to resolve contradictions between known ?facts? and an individual's belief system. The latter observation seems to be verified by the widespread acceptance within the Muslim world of the contention that the September 11 attacks were the work of Israel, in conjunction with the Bush Administration, in order to increase anti-Muslim sentiments abroad.6


Surprisingly, Goertzel found that there was no correlation between race, age, and economic status and the latter two traits. Although he did not suggest that the two latter traits mentioned above may be self-perpetuating (people who have experienced employment difficulties in the past may be more distrusting of others which, in turn, may lead to future interpersonal issues that can have a negative impact on employment), intuitive reasoning suggests that this could be possible.


In summary, I accept the published findings and opinions of Goertzel et al as being at least subjectively valid. Successful conspiracy theories are those that to some degree empower the believer against what are perceived as external forces that he/she blames for some unpleasant or undesirable facet of their lives. In addition conspiracy theories serve to absolve the individual of some degree of self-accountability since, if the individual is being ?oppressed? by some powerful conspiracy, the individual?s efforts at self-advancement will always be futile and thus become nothing more than ?a waste of time.? Sadly, it seems that conspiracy theories and their advocates are now deeply engrained in the popular psyche and without prospects for their ultimate refutation.


And, no, I?m not part of some conspiracy against conspiracy theories
 

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The latest news is there still standing. They have a special coating on them so you can't see them.
No Chit. Same stuff there useing in Iraq to hide the WMD's.
 

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wheres the brothers grimm as a source ... ever heard of operation northwood, jfk nutted up and vetoed it, would that have qualified as a conspiracy ... if two lowlifers conspire to rob a 7/11 is that a conspiracy ... what exactly is your defintion of a conspiracy, are there only big ones or small ones or mid-sized ones... or has there never been one

try reading one book instead of cut and pasting jung/adler tripe.... it would take about the same amount of time

comb thru other questions i aksed on here where others were too afraid to address them and then accused me of not offering 'proof', my proof is try to explain these things the gov. wont even repsond too...

general ahmad was in the DC during the ISI's restructuring of power in 1999 whereupon he rose to the top, and then he happened to show up week of 9/11 for the pakastani partnership agreement with usa....

coincidence that during the 2 biggest moments of his tenure he happened to be in washington dc, yeah right
 
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9-11 WAS a conspiracy, but the conspirators used box cutters and died when the planes they hi-jacked crashed - along with my aunt who was on one of the planes that flew into the WTC. Or, maybe my aunt wasn't really on that plane. Maybe she's still alive. Perhaps she was one of the thousands of people who have managed to pull off this conspiracy and then keep completely silent about it. I'll take a drive out to her old home in Palm Springs and see if she is just hiding out. My family will be sooo relieved and maybe I can break this conspiracy wide open over the weekend.
 

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comb thru other questions i aksed on here where others were too afraid to address them and then accused me of not offering 'proof', my proof is try to explain these things the gov. wont even repsond too...

Prove to me that Bush is not a robot from another planet. Can you show me one peice of proof that refutes my theory? Why won't the government take the time and money to refute my claim? I want answers!
 

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like all keaners too lazy to root past the obvious 4 'events' you cant see the forest... as soon as any of you guys read a david ray griffin book or watch any of his videos, get back to me; until then you arent exploring anything other than your already made up minds... ironically,i was where many of the naive and numbed minds were not that long ago .. so was griffins and dunne's; the shock is wearing off, more people will come around and in time enough of the truth will be so obivous that the world will be a better place ...
 

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do you try to teach this stuff to your students?

I hope not.

66 years after Pearl Harbor, we're still hearing stray conspiracy theories about how FDR knew about it and all that. With no direct, or even compelling indirect, evidence whatsoever.

This crap about 9/11 will live on forever, but I really, really hope that it's not being taught in our schools.
 

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not sure what you are talking about ... guliani SPEAKS... did you hear his words, he was told to leave the building b4 it collapsed ... why and how anyone cant take their head out of sand on simple proof he was 'in the know' astounds me ...

I am ashamed for ever opening this thread and feeding into this garbage
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like all keaners too lazy to root past the obvious 4 'events' you cant see the forest... as soon as any of you guys read a david ray griffin book or watch any of his videos, get back to me; until then you arent exploring anything other than your already made up minds... ironically,i was where many of the naive and numbed minds were not that long ago .. so was griffins and dunne's; the shock is wearing off, more people will come around and in time enough of the truth will be so obivous that the world will be a better place ...

I am ashamed for ever opening this thread and feeding into this garbage
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I hope not.

66 years after Pearl Harbor, we're still hearing stray conspiracy theories about how FDR knew about it and all that. With no direct, or even compelling indirect, evidence whatsoever.

This crap about 9/11 will live on forever, but I really, really hope that it's not being taught in our schools.

i don't know why you & the others are wasting your time with this nonsense. you're not going to change their minds.

btw..i'm still waiting for somebody to start a thread about who killed marilyn...
 

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these "troofers" (pt1 excluded)are a who's who of imbeciles, commies, conspiracy theorists, camel humpers, viva viagra, and `che lovers all rolled into one......



the one hole in the theory of evolution.....
 

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its apparent that most of you guys are sure of your own feelings just as i am of mine ...

still sad none of you can take time away from your hardwired facts to actually research and read 'in depth' ... like i said, i was where most of you were not long ago ...

again, when you want to bash griffin w/o reading a word he has to say we might as well be in the Fahrenheit 451 stage ...

ive offered you links to seek some other thoughts if you are open to actually admitting what you presently perceive as the truth 'might' possibly be challenged ... its equally interesting for those that wont delve and probe are bothered bc some of us do and see things that dont add up...

im glad you guys are for the most part are at least commenting on it all, and not getting too personal like some low lifes feel the need to do.

enjoy the fball
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marine,

like most people you embellish the fact i was relaying, did i say RG tried to zap his city ... the point is he verbalized he was told the buildings were coming down before they did; those are his words not mine ... you interpret them any way you want
 
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I still think that the answers to 9-11 goes through Ed McCaffrey. You may not remember, but this happened just a few hours prior to the attack...

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The talk of the day WOULD have been about another grizzly MNF injury. Somebody went out of their way to make sure McCaffrey wasn't the topic at water coolers across the nation. But who and why?
 

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What is Ed thinking? ...."Ow, my f*king leg just broke!" or more likely "Oh no, this means we are about to be attacked!"

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If you think it's just a coincidence that Denver was playing a team from NY that night, then you are naive enough to deserve another disaster.
 

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Ed McCaffery and Gary Condit - working with the free masons and the jewish conspiracy. Its as plain as the fingers on your hand. WAKE THE F UP!!!!!!

*** Actually Pt1gard, I really enjoy and appreciate your handicapping insight. You asked what others thought in this thread and my opinions are much different than yours. I look forward to what you have to say in the handicapping forums- I just wanted to make sure I added that.
 
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its all good flapjack and i appreciate your sentiments, thanks ...

i usually do well on futures and took the pats plus 750 to win the SB back in the spring ...

im trying to lay off gambling but if i find some games i do like i will be aboard ... only bet i took in week one was the huskies 2nd half plus 1/2

gl,
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more evidence the official story wont address

more evidence the official story wont address

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGAiyJ_l2a8

IF you have 4 mins watch this, if you would rather not know anything, then pass like 50 per cent of usa seems to prefer ... there are thousands of scientists and respected univ. profs that think the 911 kean commmsion is a joke ... how can anyone make learned comments without investigating
 
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