AFFLICTION 2 "Day of Reckoning" : Jan. 24th, Anaheim, CA

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I disagree with him being able to sub Brock in nothing flat. Brock got subbed in the Mir fight because he got sloppy and his nerves got the best of him. You do realize that 4 or 5 fights means ATLEAST 1yr? right? If Fedor had problems taking Arlovski to the ground, someone 238lbs, what do you think he'll do with Lesnar? Just throw him around? I honestly think Lesnar is the best HW in the world, he just isn't proven yet.


Bucs, you have to be kidding me right? Lesnar is in no way the best HW in the world. If it ever happens we can have a shirt bet on the fight. Fedor would smoke Lesnar. As far as Fedor having problems taking AA to the ground, I don't recall him trying to hard. Fedor likes to bang with people, if you recall his corner in the Cro Cop fight was yelling at him to go to the ground but he wouldn't. That fight was still in the feeling out stages but yet everyone is saying he was having trouble. I don't get it, the guy didn't even break a sweat to smoke the last two UFC champs and you think Leanar would be him?

And yeah, I realize what 4 or 5 fights means. In the UFC if you're anyone but the Spider it means 2+ years. And even then his sub defense won't be good enough.


I'm not kidding. He's unproven, but I think he proved in his last fight that he can exchange and defend the takedowns. Nobody has ever seen or faced a man like Lesnar. He's a maxed out heavyweight who is FASTER, QUICKER, and STRONGER then any other fighter.

If you don't think Fedor wasn't trying to take AA to the ground, then you weren't watching the same fight as everyone else. You could clearly see him having troubles taking him down. Do I think Fedor's punch was lucky? No, it was spot on. However, I do think Fedor was getting picked apart in the striking pretty good. That 1st round was by far EASILY 10-9 to AA before he got KTFO.

To say Fedor didn't break a sweat last night is laughable. Maybe not against Sylvia, but against AA he definately had his hands full.

ps- What the fuck AA? I don't think I've ever seen that dude try to throw a flying knee or superman punch LMFAO

I think Lesnar's sub defense in 2years will definately be good enough. He didn't get submitted by Mir because of his defense, it's because he got too damn careless. Anyone with experience and practice would've gotten out of that, yet alone wouldn't have tapped. We certainly know Fedor or anyone else will not out wrestle him.
 

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Bucs, what in the world man. I just re watched the fight twice and Fedor didn't try to take him down one time. They clinched ONE time which you can expect from Fedor but he didn't try to take AA down, he did defend a takedown attempt in the clinch at one point. I guess we did watch a different fight.
 

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. I guess we did watch a different fight.

Don't know what it is but it seems like a lot of guys in the MMA threads watch a different fight then i do. Not all just some. Then I go into the boxing threads and it looks like we all saw the same boxing match :mj07: :mj07: Not knocking anyone here, its just an observation i notice. I go into the boxing threads and I am ready to flip out but ten guys already beat me to it. I come in here to flip out and i get reprimanded :142smilie
 

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Don't know what it is but it seems like a lot of guys in the MMA threads watch a different fight then i do. Not all just some. Then I go into the boxing threads and it looks like we all saw the same boxing match :mj07: :mj07: Not knocking anyone here, its just an observation i notice. I go into the boxing threads and I am ready to flip out but ten guys already beat me to it. I come in here to flip out and i get reprimanded :142smilie

Was this a jab at me.:142smilie
We seem to have similar boxing views, but I really don't reprimand anyone(except Kickserv) because everyone has an opinion(except Kickserv).
 

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Was this a jab at me.:142smilie
We seem to have similar boxing views, but I really don't reprimand anyone(except Kickserv) because everyone has an opinion(except Kickserv).

How can it be about you Keg? You and i are the only two who knew Rampage got robbed of his belt. Oh and our talent evaluation skills regarding Kimbo. Can't forget that. :142smilie
 

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How can it be about you Keg? You and i are the only two who knew Rampage got robbed of his belt. Oh and our talent evaluation skills regarding Kimbo. Can't forget that. :142smilie

I forgot you were my only defense to that FACT.

I thought everyone except Kickserv had come around to the fact Rampage won and Kimbo is superior to all(except Seth on one lucky night).

The smart ones know Shane and Hopkins are on something.

Good to see Kickserv acknowledge Fedor beating someone for a change.
 
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Bucs, what in the world man. I just re watched the fight twice and Fedor didn't try to take him down one time. They clinched ONE time which you can expect from Fedor but he didn't try to take AA down, he did defend a takedown attempt in the clinch at one point. I guess we did watch a different fight.

What do you think they clinch up and grab each other for? Fedor clearly was going to work for a takedown and he couldn't.

Look, I have nothing against Fedor. I think he's the proven best HW in the world; But with that said, I also think Lesnar is the most talented, and will be the best when the dust settles.

If Arlovski didn't get cute in this fight, I honestly think he could've just outboxed Fedor into a 10-9, 10-9, 10-9 decision. Fedor had absolutely nothing to answer for Arlovski's quick fists.
 

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kickserv opinions are always right...therefore not opinions......just facts:mj07:

AND YES....FEDOR BEAT A LEGIT FIGHTER ABOUT TIME....PROPS TO FEDOR...HE WAS LOSING AND THEN ALL OVER...HE WON AND THAT'S THAT.

Be nice if he can continue to fight top level fighters.
 

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I think Fedor clinched and grabbed him to offset AA's speed. Watch the replay, at no point does he try to take AA down. If he wanted to he would have. Once they got in the clinch, Fedor used some punching and some knees.

do you think everytime someone clinches they are trying to take the other person down. I guess the term dirty boxing doesn't apply.
 

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I think Fedor clinched and grabbed him to offset AA's speed. Watch the replay, at no point does he try to take AA down. If he wanted to he would have. Once they got in the clinch, Fedor used some punching and some knees.

do you think everytime someone clinches they are trying to take the other person down. I guess the term dirty boxing doesn't apply.

He wasn't muay thai clinching him, so there was no kneeing and dirty boxing going on.

He clinched him to stop AA's speed and quickness, I agree. However, if you think that he was just going to do that and hold on to him for 5 minutes, then I don't know what the hell you're even watching this sport for. He clinched up to setup a potential takedown. Arlovski was doing great with those double underhooks and Fedor was clearly frustrated.

Maybe you should stick to boxing.
 

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the 1st time i watched fedor vs. andrei it looked like a shutout for andrei until the ko. however, after watching it again and watching the exchanges in slowmo, it appears that andrei didn't even land anything of note, he just looked smoother than fedor. lowkicks was the best thing andrei was doing.

fedor evaded the punches well with head movement and even knocked down andrei's lead hand just like he did to sylvia.

the 1st exchange in particular made it look that andrei stunned fedor, but if you watch it in slowmo, nothing landed.
 

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What do you think they clinch up and grab each other for? Fedor clearly was going to work for a takedown and he couldn't.

Look, I have nothing against Fedor. I think he's the proven best HW in the world; But with that said, I also think Lesnar is the most talented, and will be the best when the dust settles.

If Arlovski didn't get cute in this fight, I honestly think he could've just outboxed Fedor into a 10-9, 10-9, 10-9 decision. Fedor had absolutely nothing to answer for Arlovski's quick fists.
The fight was a 5 rounder mate. They were only 3 minutes into the first round.

AA was giving him trouble but the fight had only just begun.
Who is to say Fedor would not make the necessary adjustments?

He sometimes fights to his opponents strength's, crushing their will.
He stood with Cro Cop when he was a killer.
He blatantly made a point of going into Nog's guard when it was considered the most dangerous in the game.
He reversed Judo silver medalist Ogawa on the way down from a clinch before subbing him in 55 seconds.

I think he was trying the same tactic with AA and it was just not working out but it was very early in the fight.
 

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Can't we move on? Kickserv is getting married in the GSP thread and all u guys were invited.:shrug: By the way i first thought Fedor landed a lucky punch but im back pedaling on that statement.
 

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He wasn't muay thai clinching him, so there was no kneeing and dirty boxing going on.

He clinched him to stop AA's speed and quickness, I agree. However, if you think that he was just going to do that and hold on to him for 5 minutes, then I don't know what the hell you're even watching this sport for. He clinched up to setup a potential takedown. Arlovski was doing great with those double underhooks and Fedor was clearly frustrated.

Maybe you should stick to boxing.

hahahahahhahahah, I don't even watch boxing but if you insist. Do you think you have to be in a Thai clinch to dirty box or knee? I never see Randy in a Thai clinch and I'm pretty sure he dirty boxes a lot. Re watch the fight bud, Fedor didn't attempt to take him down. I'm not saying he wouldn't have tried, I'm saying he didn't try up to that point. And the whole reason I said that is because you said he was having trouble taking AA down. The FACT is, he wasn't because he didn't try. Bucs, I know you know the sport but you're off on this one.

Muhr, I totally agree with you. I thought Fedor looked a lot worse until I rewatched the fight. Fedor seems to toy with fighters, either that or looks like he's not interested.
 
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