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As great as the forefathers were, not "all men were created equal" at that point in time. It seems as though only white men were created equal.

As for taking more from the rich, as unfair as it may seem the country needs to get money from somewhere.. Not going to get it from the poor? Where do people expect the money to come from? :shrug:

As for the poor doing their share.. Not all cases, but in many cases the people who were poor have been suppressed for a very long time. When born poor, it can be very difficult to overcome it.

Comparing what is happening today to what the forefathers would think is rather laughable.
 

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Forgetting the Founders' Tough Love
- Michael Goodwin, New York Post


Never mind that you lived with the old values, that you sacrificed and worked and saved for what you have. Now you must pay and pay again for those who didn't. Oh, and shut up about it, too.

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/...ugh_love_wOLf1lt9EE7IV3WfYkqWIM#ixzz1R8Th42Px

You gotta love it. An insurance salesman fighting for corporations. :facepalm:
 

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You gotta love it. An insurance salesman fighting for corporations. :facepalm:

I don't think this clown will ever understand that a strong middle class ends up buying things. This clown will never realize that when u break the back of the middle class u have less customers buying things like say his insurance.
 

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Forgetting the Founders' Tough Love
- Michael Goodwin, New York Post


Never mind that you lived with the old values, that you sacrificed and worked and saved for what you have. Now you must pay and pay again for those who didn't. Oh, and shut up about it, too.

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/...ugh_love_wOLf1lt9EE7IV3WfYkqWIM#ixzz1R8Th42Px

Not surprising you would make a statement with a link to someone who shares the same value system that you do. Using a few words of the Constitution as being something unalienable and undeniable, as long as it's something specifically designed and protected by and for rich white men.

You again equate your position with a blanket value of working hard, saving money, and living with old values. There are plenty of people in this country that work hard, save money, and have old world values that are not successful. There are plenty more that did none of what you are describing that control a huge amount of wealth in our country that you worry about protecting. And many, if not most, do not emply anyone, care about anyone, and only protect their own interests - at the expense of many others in this country.

But it's more important to protect those people, and others like them, or at least believe in the same. And ridicule others.

Wayne, I'm curious - do you employ anyone in your business? You don't have to tell me, I'm just curious. Or are you a solo business?
 

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Not surprising you would make a statement with a link to someone who shares the same value system that you do. Using a few words of the Constitution as being something unalienable and undeniable, as long as it's something specifically designed and protected by and for rich white men.

You again equate your position with a blanket value of working hard, saving money, and living with old values. There are plenty of people in this country that work hard, save money, and have old world values that are not successful. There are plenty more that did none of what you are describing that control a huge amount of wealth in our country that you worry about protecting. And many, if not most, do not emply anyone, care about anyone, and only protect their own interests - at the expense of many others in this country.

But it's more important to protect those people, and others like them, or at least believe in the same. And ridicule others.

Wayne, I'm curious - do you employ anyone in your business? You don't have to tell me, I'm just curious. Or are you a solo business?

1st to answer your question--at one time serveral agents work for me (8 being the most) It was a 2 edged sword and a revolving door--you had those that were worthless or would steal and lie--and those that were good and after learning the ropes would go out on their own. Decided probably 10 years ago to get rid of all agents and while earning less I slept much better. Has worked well for me.

--back to constitution.

It's always the rich white man-song and dance

Immigrants of decades past came here poor with nothing but a chance for opportunity--and prevailed because they worked hard and had values They didn't want free ride.
in our past generation everyone has opportunity/24 hours in a day--and free education. What they do with it-will dictate their lives.

You need to get away from the liberal logic and look at what stares you in the face everyday.

All cultures had same opportunity--yet can you point me to Japanese-German-French etc getto--why not?

Amish children grow up poor with no luxuries--yet they have zero crime-why?

Both questions can be answered with same word.
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---and yes I share same value as author


"For most of our history, it was a given that success and failure were two sides of the same coin -- and that both were necessary. The world was a nasty place, and for generations of newcomers, liberty was blessing enough.
No more. Our culture now demands not just the chance for happiness, but also the result. Millions of Americans believe that are entitled to get what they want because they want it.
They are not pursuing happiness. They are demanding it. "


Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/...ugh_love_wOLf1lt9EE7IV3WfYkqWIM#ixzz1RECJ29y1
 

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As for taking more from the rich, as unfair as it may seem the country needs to get money from somewhere.. Not going to get it from the poor? Where do people expect the money to come from? :shrug:

As for the poor doing their share.. Not all cases, but in many cases the people who were poor have been suppressed for a very long time. When born poor, it can be very difficult to overcome it.

I think you're looking at it differently than me, and I guess I'm looking at it differently than most. I don't think we should tax the rich more because they have it, I think they should feel the burden the way others do. If you make $40k a year, and that is taxed at the current rate (add in sales tax, property tax, etc.) you're fighting to make things work. The tax burden you carry is much greater than that of the multi-millionaire that is living off interest/investment monies. One guy is being crushed by the burden while the other guy is annoyed by it. There is a huge difference.
 

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I think you're looking at it differently than me, and I guess I'm looking at it differently than most. I don't think we should tax the rich more because they have it, I think they should feel the burden the way others do. If you make $40k a year, and that is taxed at the current rate (add in sales tax, property tax, etc.) you're fighting to make things work. The tax burden you carry is much greater than that of the multi-millionaire that is living off interest/investment monies. One guy is being crushed by the burden while the other guy is annoyed by it. There is a huge difference.

I agree with you 100% I just think In this time of struggles the nation is in, there is no other alternative but to take a little more from the rich because they do have it and the rest dont. Maybe some of them can make it up when the middle class can afford more product
 

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Did Ford ever pay back the $7000 a car rebate the Gov't gave them back about a year ago? The CEO had no problem taking a $56,000,000 bonus. Why would it be so bad to tax that at a higher rate? Oh yes, and explain to me how he "earned" it. He earned it no more than the guy who cleans his toilet.
Look at how the spread between the middle class and the CEO's has grown. That is the redistribution of wealth that has already occured. That 56 mill will never see the light of day. It will be buried in some Hedge Fund further screwing up the stck market. But there are those who say we shouldn't these people. Why not?
 

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If you get off that welfare tit with your momma and get out in real world you might know a little more about the job industry --:popcorn2


http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2009/moneymag/0910/gallery.bestjobs_highestpaid.moneymag/10.html

And ur statement is a full blown distortion saying the guy is on welfare when the guy is trying to reason with ur stupid ass. Always going back to people on "Gov't assistance" when people are trying to wake ur hillbilly ass up. Do u assholes have any theories on why u are so greedy or just the "im gonna show him and say he is getting assistance from the gov't"? When do i start paying on ur gov't assissted military retirement benefits"? In ur world it is a disgrace that u collect one cent of this money the way u talk. So what is it? Will u be taking this money on the back of tax payers or will u give the tax payers a break?
 

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You don't know a thing about me. :)

Your tale about all liberals living at home is getting older than you are.

The bizzare point with this is that we are all part liberal as well as part conservative. Most everyone of us but trying to show him this is impossible when he has that Kentucky logic in his holster.
 

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These CEO types had no problem taking public assistance along with their bonuses that for some reason we are not allowed to raise the tax on. What a disgrace!
 

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Did Ford ever pay back the $7000 a car rebate the Gov't gave them back about a year ago? The CEO had no problem taking a $56,000,000 bonus. Why would it be so bad to tax that at a higher rate? Oh yes, and explain to me how he "earned" it. He earned it no more than the guy who cleans his toilet.
Look at how the spread between the middle class and the CEO's has grown. That is the redistribution of wealth that has already occured. That 56 mill will never see the light of day. It will be buried in some Hedge Fund further screwing up the stck market. But there are those who say we shouldn't these people. Why not?


And the sad part is he will probably be able to declare it as long term capitol gains, and it won't even be taxed as regular income.
 

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Immigrants of decades past came here poor with nothing but a chance for opportunity--and prevailed because they worked hard and had values

And that's just some right wing wet dream.

The truth is most first generation immigrants worked in sweat shops, lived in poverty, were paid starvation wages, lived miserable lives, and died young and poor.

Fer Crissake, doggie, do you think everyone else is as fucking ignorant of history as you are?
 

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Never mind that you lived with the old values, that you sacrificed and worked and saved for what you have.

The old values won't work today. Unless you are a financial expert, simply "saving money" won't work. The way this country prints money, you could save and save, and it will be worthless in a few years when inflation bites us in the ass.

You have to play the stock market/financially gamble in order to save for retirement, and every time there is a recession,well connected wealthy people get bailed out and the working-class people saving for retirement get shafted.

I could get behind eliminating government assistance, but first stop printing worthless money, it focks up old fashioned savers, then stop providing corporate welfare... THEN get rid of individual welfare. Do things in that order and this man is on board. :0008
 

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And that's just some right wing wet dream.

The truth is most first generation immigrants worked in sweat shops, lived in poverty, were paid starvation wages, lived miserable lives, and died young and poor.

Fer Crissake, doggie, do you think everyone else is as fucking ignorant of history as you are?

Nope -common sense would tell me the ignorant would be those groveling for higher taxes on productive and Gov Tit for the parasites--
--and eat and drink nightly at flowershops :SIB



Back to immigrants--and The Truth
You can continue to blow smoke up the flowershop crews ass or

-- all you got to do is point us to a few of those early immigrants-- Japanses-German-French getto's --then explain what why cultures prospered and others declined

Ya I know--see ya around --AGAIN
 

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The old values won't work today. Unless you are a financial expert, simply "saving money" won't work. The way this country prints money, you could save and save, and it will be worthless in a few years when inflation bites us in the ass.

You have to play the stock market/financially gamble in order to save for retirement, and every time there is a recession,well connected wealthy people get bailed out and the working-class people saving for retirement get shafted.

I could get behind eliminating government assistance, but first stop printing worthless money, it focks up old fashioned savers, then stop providing corporate welfare... THEN get rid of individual welfare. Do things in that order and this man is on board. :0008

Some good points Fek--but believe old values will always prevail.

The extent to which they are success might diminish somewhat per your angle--
but the flip side of the savers (spendthrifts) will be more adversely effected in their fight against arch enemy- interest.

The family earning $30,000 a year and saves 10% will always end up ahead of family that earns $50,000 but spends $60,000.

There are lots of govs currently discovering the perils of excessive debt currently--and wait until their current bargain basement interest rates subside. They can't manipulate low interest rates forever.For every action there is a reaction--we can't escape it indefinately.

Got some things I'd like to add on ideas on probs--but women U.S. open this week and just had book drop some lines--gotta run

--be well-
-your input always appreciated.
 
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