--and the pursuit of happiness

[Chadman]

The slavery bit and being brought against there will 100 years ago.:tongue

Sheez Chad What does todays values have to do with what happed 100 years ago.

Yes they are discriminated against to a lesser extend--why

You admit the inequities of the early years of this country, after asking some of us to explain why white immigrants who came to the country succeeded, when blacks did not. I answered your question directly and completely. I explained why there is an ongoing problem with skin color in this country that can not realistically be argued against. You dismiss the problem as something that happened a long time ago. And yet, you say yourself you have never provided service for a black person. Mystery there? Hard to think there is one.

Today's values, for some people, are virtually the same as 100 years ago. That's the issue. And I argue it is the same for many people, not a select few. And studies prove that, and continue to prove that.

Again - if you think things were the same for all ethnic groups in America, and as of today, they should be measured equally as to opportunity and way of life, I suggest you are either not being honest, or are as racist as anyone I can think of. If you were being realistic about this discussion, that would be different. But you ask us to dismiss history and common sense without even a half acknowledgement of what almost anyone with a brain could admit to. Unless that brain is clouded with racism, which many are.

Luckily for you, you only have to play golf once a year with the blacks. And your business doesn't depend - or cater - to them. I'm sure the blacks you play golf with might have a different opinion about you personally if they read half of the stuff you post. I have a lot of respect for you Wayne, and appreciate our conversations (especially privately via e-mail), but this subject continues to be a sore spot with me. Carry on...

 

[Trench]

The slavery bit and being brought against there will 100 years ago.:tongue

Sheez Chad What does todays values have to do with what happed 100 years ago.

By your self-serving "logic", the slate was wiped clean in 1865 and not only did America become a color-blind society following the emancipation proclamation and the 13th Amendment, but all wealth, privilege and land ownership was redistrubited equitably at that time as well.

There's denial and then there's an alternate reality where unicorns, leprechauns and sugar-plum fairies roam. You appear to live in the latter.

 

[Duff Miver]

there's an alternate reality where unicorns, leprechauns and sugar-plum fairies roam. You appear to live in the latter.

It's called Kentucky, where obesity is rampant, infant mortality is high, and they suck the Federal government tit for $3 for every $2 they pay in.

And yet they want government expenses cut.

I hope they get their wish.

 

[Trampled Underfoot]

By your self-serving "logic", the slate was wiped clean in 1865 and not only did America become a color-blind society following the emancipation proclamation and the 13th Amendment, but all wealth, privilege and land ownership was redistrubited equitably at that time as well.

There's denial and then there's an alternate reality where unicorns, leprechauns and sugar-plum fairies roam. You appear to live in the latter.

....as if slavery ended in 1865. Some people are just assholes. It's as simple as that.

 

[Trampled Underfoot]

And yet, you say yourself you have never provided service for a black person.

Is that really true? Did he say that.

 

[Duff Miver]

By your self-serving "logic", the slate was wiped clean in 1865 and not only did America become a color-blind society following the emancipation proclamation and the 13th Amendment, but all wealth, privilege and land ownership was redistrubited equitably at that time as well.

r.

Here's one from a hundred years later. I think the LEO is doggies daddy -

 

[Trampled Underfoot]

There is a Twilight Zone episode in doggie's future where he is sent to live in a black ghetto. Then he looks in the mirror and he is a darkie. Would that be sweet justice or what? I think I will pray for that tonight. Where is rusty when you need him? :mj07:

 

[Duff Miver]

There is a Twilight Zone episode in doggie's future where he is sent to live in a black ghetto. Then he looks in the mirror and he is a darkie. Would that be sweet justice or what? I think I will pray for that tonight. Where is rusty when you need him? :mj07:

:0074 :mj07: :mj07: :mj07: :0074 :mj07: :mj07: :mj07:

 

[rusty]

I don't think this clown will ever understand that a strong middle class ends up buying things. This clown will never realize that when u break the back of the middle class u have less customers buying things like say his insurance.

TU didn't call u out on the u?What gives?Oh,you guys are on the same side,nevermind.

 

[Trench]

Here's one from a hundred years later. I think the LEO is doggies daddy -

Here's something a little more recent for Dogs...

Shoal Creek Golf and Country Club

Shoal Creek Golf and Country Club, located in Shelby County, east of Hoover, Alabama, USA, (Birmingham metro area) is an invitation-only private golf club which opened in 1977. Up until 1990, Shoal Creek had no African-American members, similar to other clubs across the nation.

A firestorm began when club founder Hall Thompson commented that the club would not be pressured to accept African-American members, stating "this is our home, and we pick and choose who we want." These comments, made prior to the 1990 PGA Championship, made the tournament front-page news as civil rights groups such as the Southern Christian Leadership Conference threatened to protest the event and sponsors pulled advertising from the tournament. The PGA considered moving the tournament away from Shoal Creek, but in the end reached a compromise with the club: local insurance executive Louis Willie was invited to become an honorary member with full membership to come after the waiting-list period of any membership application.

This incident forced everyone associated with golf--clubs, the PGA, and the USGA--to look at minority access in the sport. The PGA and USGA changed rules regarding course selection, requiring clubs that hosted events to meet inclusive membership requirements.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoal_Creek_Golf_and_Country_Club

 

[Trampled Underfoot]

There is a Twilight Zone episode in doggie's future where he is sent to live in a black ghetto. Then he looks in the mirror and he is a darkie. Would that be sweet justice or what? I think I will pray for that tonight. Where is rusty when you need him? :mj07:

TU didn't call u out on the u?What gives?Oh,you guys are on the same side,nevermind.

Hey rusty, can you help me out with something? :mj07:

 

[The Sponge]

TU didn't call u out on the u?What gives?Oh,you guys are on the same side,nevermind.

He reprimands me privately. It is why I can't gain any ground with these green boxes. Rusty? Why is it so easy for u to put a space between words but not one let alone two after a punctuation symbol? :shrug:

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

You admit the inequities of the early years of this country, after asking some of us to explain why white immigrants who came to the country succeeded, when blacks did not. I answered your question directly and completely. I explained why there is an ongoing problem with skin color in this country that can not realistically be argued against. You dismiss the problem as something that happened a long time ago. And yet, you say yourself you have never provided service for a black person. Mystery there? Hard to think there is one.

Today's values, for some people, are virtually the same as 100 years ago. That's the issue. And I argue it is the same for many people, not a select few. And studies prove that, and continue to prove that.

Again - if you think things were the same for all ethnic groups in America, and as of today, they should be measured equally as to opportunity and way of life, I suggest you are either not being honest, or are as racist as anyone I can think of. If you were being realistic about this discussion, that would be different. But you ask us to dismiss history and common sense without even a half acknowledgement of what almost anyone with a brain could admit to. Unless that brain is clouded with racism, which many are.

Luckily for you, you only have to play golf once a year with the blacks. And your business doesn't depend - or cater - to them. I'm sure the blacks you play golf with might have a different opinion about you personally if they read half of the stuff you post. I have a lot of respect for you Wayne, and appreciate our conversations (especially privately via e-mail), but this subject continues to be a sore spot with me. Carry on...

I have weekly game with 3 black gents--will be in wedding of one this fall. We discuss much of what is discussed here--some things we agree on-some things not.

I hate to trap you but--

I don't think you really believe in excuses for failure per what happen 100 years ago as you try to project.

Your hypothetical scenrio-
-You have 10 students all of who refuse to turn in any homework and flunk every test--5 are black-5 are not. What grade do you give the 10 at the end of the term.

Do you hold "all" accountable for their failure or do give 1/2 them passing grade?

You may be surprised that we are on same accountabilty tangent after all.

--Back to golfing buddies per one topic

We had discussion on affirmative action one day--and it was unanimous all 3 agreed it was slap in face--as it was statement they couldn't compete on normal playing field. Of course all 3 had competed and were success--so they may be prejudice. :SIB

--as with all people of all races--you will find entirely diff attitude in the productive and those making exuses.

++++=====
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...es_welfare_programs_encourage_dependency.html

Obama Acknowledges Welfare Programs Encourage Dependency

"Well, you know, here's what I would say. I think we should acknowledge that some welfare programs in the past were not well designed and in some cases did encourage dependency. As somebody who worked in low income neighborhoods, I've seen it, where people weren't encouraged to work, weren't encouraged to upgrade their skills, were just getting a check, and, over time, their motivation started to diminish. And I think even if you're progressive you've got to acknowledge that some of these things have not been well designed."

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

There is a Twilight Zone episode in doggie's future where he is sent to live in a black ghetto. Then he looks in the mirror and he is a darkie. Would that be sweet justice or what? I think I will pray for that tonight. Where is rusty when you need him? :mj07:

If I was black I'd be sitting right where I am now--doing the same thing. I'd have same attitude and values. Why would anything change?

Only diff would be I'd have to be constantly running from Muffies family--I'd probably have to get restraining order on most. :lol:

--and wouldn't make any diff from your end on what color you were per your values and attitude.

You'd still be a 50 year- short- little fat ass with hair parted on 40 yard line--livng with your momma --and groveling for that gov tit.

--and only claim to fame is proficiency in profanity and a spell check.

Success isn't about color--its about attitude and values.

 

[shawn555]

If I was black I'd be sitting right where I am now--doing the same thing. I'd have same attitude and values. Why would anything change?

Only diff would be I'd have to be constantly running from Muffies family--I'd probably have to get restraining order on most. :lol:

--and wouldn't make any diff from your end on what color you were per your values and attitude.

You'd still be a 50 year- short- little fat ass with hair parted on 40 yard line--livng with your momma --and groveling for that gov tit.

--and only claim to fame is proficiency in profanity and a spell check.

Success isn't about color--its about attitude and values.

I can honestly say there is ZERO chance that is true.

You may think that it would be true but there is just no way it would be true.

And for you to be bringing up attitude and values makes me laugh.

 

[Trampled Underfoot]

Success isn't about color--its about attitude and values.

If it was about values you would be fucked.

 

[Trench]

If I was black I'd be sitting right where I am now--doing the same thing. I'd have same attitude and values. Why would anything change?

If Scotty were here, he'd say:

"Wow... just wow... :facepalm: "

 

[Chadman]

I hate to trap you but--

I don't think you really believe in excuses for failure per what happen 100 years ago as you try to project.

Your hypothetical scenrio-
-You have 10 students all of who refuse to turn in any homework and flunk every test--5 are black-5 are not. What grade do you give the 10 at the end of the term.

Do you hold "all" accountable for their failure or do give 1/2 them passing grade?

You may be surprised that we are on same accountabilty tangent after all.

I would always do my best to consider the situation each student deals with in the classroom and at home, and make attempts to figure both out. If all 10 students "refused" to turn in any homework and flunked every test, at face value I would give them all F's. However, if this were the case, I would be the one failing these kids in large part if I couldn't get them to participate in any way. I would also try to figure out why they aren't doing anything, and there's probably a good reason they aren't doing anything - and it's probably at home, or school problems, or many possibilities.

Not sure what this has to do with how blacks were - and are - persecuted and discriminated then and now. Your situation is hypothetical and probably rarely if ever would happen. On the other hand, each black student faces difficulties that the white students don't face every day, which makes their situation tougher at least mentally. They simply have to overcome more because of the color of their skin, and do not have the same row to hoe. You can dismiss that - because it's easier to do that than actually think about what black students go through compared to what white students go through - let alone adults.

If you don't think that many teachers profile and make assumptions based on race or gender, then you'd be wrong. Almost all due to a certain extent. You act like there is no discrimination or stereotyping going on in our country, and that's patently ridiculous. You say that everything is essentially now equal, or should be, and that what an entire race of people went through for the formative years of this country has no bearing on anything at this point. That is also patently ridiculous. And what is saddest of all, is that there seem to be a group of people that agree with you, and they generally vote the same way you do, and feel somehow persecuted themselves when things seem to "favor" black people in particular.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Thanks Chad

I would expect you would give them grade they earned--as I wouldn't expect you to expose your family to an unsafe environment.

We agree on basics after we both strip away the political posturing.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

I can honestly say there is ZERO chance that is true.

You may think that it would be true but there is just no way it would be true.

And for you to be bringing up attitude and values makes me laugh.[/quote]


--hmm speaking of attitude and values-- we all thought it was killiing ole whitey that made you laugh--:shrug:

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