--and the pursuit of happiness

[Duff Miver]

Nope -common sense would tell me the ignorant would be those groveling for higher taxes on productive and Gov Tit for the parasites--
--and eat and drink nightly at flowershops :SIB



Back to immigrants--and The Truth
You can continue to blow smoke up the flowershop crews ass or

-- all you got to do is point us to a few of those early immigrants-- Japanses-German-French getto's --then explain what why cultures prospered and others declined

Ya I know--see ya around --AGAIN

I'm getting tired of having to educate your ignorant ass. NO matter how often facts and the truth prove that you are completely wrong, you keep making up lies, like your recent lie that immigrants prospered when they arrived in the USA.

You said "pick a group"? Okay, here's a large one - The Irish, and here's what happened to them after they arrived in the USA.

As the poor immigrant had no means of moving on, they settled in the port of arrival. Almshouses were filled with these Irish immigrants. They begged on every street. One honest immigrant wrote home at the height of the potato famine exodus, "My master is a great tyrant, he treats me as badly as if I was a common Irishman." The writer further added, "Our position in America is one of shame and poverty." No group was considered lower than an Irishman in America during the 1850s. ...Our immigrant ancestors were not wanted in America. Ads for employment often were followed by "NO IRISH NEED APPLY." They were forced to live in cellars and shanties, partly because of poverty but also because they were considered bad for the neighborhood...These living conditions bred sickness and early death. It was estimated that 80% of all infants born to Irish immigrants in New York City died....The Chicago Post wrote, "The Irish fill our prisons, our poor houses...Scratch a convict or a pauper, and the chances are that you tickle the skin of an Irish Catholic. Putting them on a boat and sending them home would end crime in this country."

http://www.kinsella.org/history



THAT'S what happened to first generation immigrants, you dumb fuck.

Now go dig a hole, jump in, and pull the dirt in behind your redneck ass. I'm tired of teaching you facts you should have learned in grammar school.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Only thing you've educated anyone on to date is-

---that "family tradition" you speak of--and "vacation specials" :lol:



--for the upteenth time I'm STILL WAITING > and you can add your Irish to the list--


-- all you got to do is point us to a few of those early immigrants-- Japanses-German-French- Irish getto's --then explain why cultures prospered and others declined

Hey come back here---------kurby

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[bleedingpurple]

Only thing you've educated anyone on to date is-

---that "family tradition" you speak of--and "vacation specials" :lol:



--for the upteenth time I'm STILL WAITING > and you can add your Irish to the list--


-- all you got to do is point us to a few of those early immigrants-- Japanses-German-French- Irish getto's --then explain why cultures prospered and others declined

Hey come back here---------kurby

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Are you basically asking why white and Asian cultures prospered quicker than black cultures?

 

[Chadman]

Considering what white people did to black people "when they came to this country," I don't think it should be any mystery why blacks had plenty more problems "making it" in this country and had more difficulty prospering. And the ghetto scenario - no doubt whites had more to do with that than blacks... segregation and pushing blacks to certain areas is long known in the history of our country. Blacks had a much different initiation and start in America, compared to all of the groups you single out to compare them to. Except maybe Native Americans.

But in your mind, blacks just don't succeed, except for the ones you play golf with, Wayne.

 

[Duff Miver]

Considering what white people did to black people "when they came to this country," I don't think it should be any mystery why blacks had plenty more problems "making it" in this country and had more difficulty prospering. And the ghetto scenario - no doubt whites had more to do with that than blacks... segregation and pushing blacks to certain areas is long known in the history of our country. Blacks had a much different initiation and start in America, compared to all of the groups you single out to compare them to. Except maybe Native Americans.

But in your mind, blacks just don't succeed, except for the ones you play golf with, Wayne.

doggie knows blacks never succeed. Not Herman Cain, Not Colin Powell, not Thurgood Marshall, not Alex Haley, not Clarence Thomas, not even Barack Obama.

Nope, white redneck insurance salesmen - there's REAL success. :142smilie

 

[Trampled Underfoot]

Are you basically asking why white and Asian cultures prospered quicker than black cultures?

I guess that explains why he bought an Asian for a wife.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Are you basically asking why white and Asian cultures prospered quicker than black cultures?

I think you know the question--its the answer your all dancing around.

Chad
How do liberals plan to fix the problem when they bury their heads in the sand.. If we really cared about peoples welfare we'd try to solve problem-not make excuses.
--but thats not going to happen unless people admit there is a problem.

When all the #s in every category point grossly in one direction--and people try to bring issue to light--they are greeted with only cop out possible--racist rants or if they are black--it's uncle tom.

I can tell you with certainty--any group of people red- white-black or green--that have 70% + of the group grow up with no family values--they will be confined to a substandard life until they correct problem.

 

[Duff Miver]

I guess that explains why he bought an Asian for a wife.

And he won't show her papers either.

 

[Trampled Underfoot]

And he won't show her papers either.

I think that is the only thing we don't know about doggie. :mj07:

 

[bleedingpurple]

I think you know the question--its the answer your all dancing around.

I don't think anyone is dancing. I think Chadman answered some of it..

You really believe that black people were given the same chances as Irish, French, and Asians?

Have you ever heard of the KKK? Do you realize that thousand of blacks were lynched from 1900 to 1960, blacks were segregated and not offered valued employment that whites and others received.

Education? Has only been fair in the past couple decades.

Not to mention that great black leaders were assassinated.

Do your beliefs make you racist? Not necessarily, just ignorant.

Your beliefs that blacks had the same chance as the people you mention is about as bright as one poster's comment about Native Americans losing their land to dialogue. Gheesh!!:facepalm:

 

[Trampled Underfoot]

We tried explaining the benefits of being white to rusty months ago and he never did understand the point we were all trying to make. Do you really think doggie is any smarter?

 

[Trench]

We tried explaining the benefits of being white to rusty months ago and he never did understand the point we were all trying to make. Do you really think doggie is any smarter?

Queue up Dogs responding with... "What about the NAACP, Affirmative Action, the United Negro College Fund, BET, the Miss Black USA Pageant, Def Comedy Jam, Soul Train, the NBA, the NFL, Michael Jordan, Tiger Woods, Bill Cosby, Eddie Murphy, Chris Rock, Popeye's Chicken... seems to me they've got it pretty good?" :142smilie

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

I don't think anyone is dancing. I think Chadman answered some of it..

You really believe that black people were given the same chances as Irish, French, and Asians?

Have you ever heard of the KKK? Do you realize that thousand of blacks were lynched from 1900 to 1960, blacks were segregated and not offered valued employment that whites and others received.

Education? Has only been fair in the past couple decades.

Not to mention that great black leaders were assassinated.

Do your beliefs make you racist? Not necessarily, just ignorant.

Your beliefs that blacks had the same chance as the people you mention is about as bright as one poster's comment about Native Americans losing their land to dialogue. Gheesh!!:facepalm:

--explain how irish french asians or anyone had more chances please--were they getting quotas or other advantages :SIB

--and we can blame illegitamcy-crime-poverty and every other stat on MLK being shot and the KKK-- 50 years ago and that's your arguement--correct?

Interesting--somehow I think all these gang/flash mobs really didn't have that in mind--when their doing "their" redistribution of wealth thing.

--but as long as people continue to make excuses I expect things will get worse not better--as they have in last decade.

Now consider in your own mind why do some communties such as Amish-Mormons-Mennonites etc have virtually no crime?

You have examples of extremes on both ends of spectrum--pretty simple to figure out the problem by comparison--then your only recourse will be :00x7

 

[Chadman]

Wayne, it's very convenient for you to call what blacks went through in America "excuses" for original and future behavior. I call it irresponsible verbiage, and ignoring the obvious. If you can't see how slavery and subsequent racial injustices held back the black race in America simply because of skin color, then you're just not being honest or realistic.

If you don't understand how blacks continue to be marginalized and discriminated against in America to this day, then you are either not really looking at the issue fairly, or considering the issue from what blacks go through on a daily basis that whites and other minorities (especially asian) do not. As for Asians being looked at in such a positive light, I've spent time here explaining that misconception about being the "best" minority race at least once. I know you're sensitive to that due to your marriage, but there are reasons - mostly not earned, but actually promoted in the early years of this country by white men - why they were given their "best minority" badge of honor. Absolutely no offense to any Asians here, it's just a given for some people, especially when they are demeaning blacks as a race.

Do I think that blacks as a race could try to take more positive steps to tackling their own issues, especially in primarily black areas? Yes. Do I think many blacks are lazy, ignorant, sucking government tit? Yes. Do I pretent to know what a black person has to go through on a daily basis? No. Other than I have gone through the exercise of thinking about and writing down all the areas where they are stereotyped and devalued on a daily basis, and it's pretty eye opening. I also think many whites are lazy, ignorant, sucking the government tit. And they have far less to overcome due to the color of their skin.

The simple answer to your question is that none of the groups were brought here against their will and introduced into lives of slavery, as the blacks were. Pretty big damn difference, if you ask me. And clearly, many people to this day regret that that isn't the case now.

 

[Trampled Underfoot]

--explain how irish french asians or anyone had more chances please--were they getting quotas or other advantages :SIB

--and we can blame illegitamcy-crime-poverty and every other stat on MLK being shot and the KKK-- 50 years ago and that's your arguement--correct?

Interesting--somehow I think all these gang/flash mobs really didn't have that in mind--when their doing "their" redistribution of wealth thing.

--but as long as people continue to make excuses I expect things will get worse not better--as they have in last decade.

Now consider in your own mind why do some communties such as Amish-Mormons-Mennonites etc have virtually no crime?

You have examples of extremes on both ends of spectrum--pretty simple to figure out the problem by comparison--then your only recourse will be :00x7

Holy shit. What an asshole. :facepalm:

 

[bleedingpurple]

Holy shit. What an asshole. :facepalm:

It's truly amazing!! :facepalm:

I wish everyone on this board would read this thread.

DTB.... Not trying to make excuses for the black communities, but what happened to them did happen. I realize what happened to MLK was almost 50 years ago, but severe racism still exists. It is much better now than it ever was but is still not where it should be.

 

[Trampled Underfoot]

I wish everyone on this board would read this thread.

Done. It won't really mean anything though. Lots of rednecks on here. doggie bought them a beer or a round of golf and they will put up with anything from our resident bigot.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Wayne, it's very convenient for you to call what blacks went through in America "excuses" for original and future behavior. I call it irresponsible verbiage, and ignoring the obvious. If you can't see how slavery and subsequent racial injustices held back the black race in America simply because of skin color, then you're just not being honest or realistic.

If you don't understand how blacks continue to be marginalized and discriminated against in America to this day, then you are either not really looking at the issue fairly, or considering the issue from what blacks go through on a daily basis that whites and other minorities (especially asian) do not. As for Asians being looked at in such a positive light, I've spent time here explaining that misconception about being the "best" minority race at least once. I know you're sensitive to that due to your marriage, but there are reasons - mostly not earned, but actually promoted in the early years of this country by white men - why they were given their "best minority" badge of honor. Absolutely no offense to any Asians here, it's just a given for some people, especially when they are demeaning blacks as a race.

Do I think that blacks as a race could try to take more positive steps to tackling their own issues, especially in primarily black areas? Yes. Do I think many blacks are lazy, ignorant, sucking government tit? Yes. Do I pretent to know what a black person has to go through on a daily basis? No. Other than I have gone through the exercise of thinking about and writing down all the areas where they are stereotyped and devalued on a daily basis, and it's pretty eye opening. I also think many whites are lazy, ignorant, sucking the government tit. And they have far less to overcome due to the color of their skin.

The simple answer to your question is that none of the groups were brought here against their will and introduced into lives of slavery, as the blacks were. Pretty big damn difference, if you ask me. And clearly, many people to this day regret that that isn't the case now.

The slavery bit and being brought against there will 100 years ago.:tongue

Sheez Chad What does todays values have to do with what happed 100 years ago.

Yes they are discriminated against to a lesser extend--why

Ask yourself why you won't drive through a getto with your family--I guarantee you what happen 100 years ago won't be concern. You know real reason as well as everyone--yet want to do that liberal 2 step.

If we could all go back 100 years looking for excuse there would never be a conviction of a crime.

The sad part is--things like these kid gang bangers of late reflect badly on the productive black people--I can imagine the toll it will be taking on business owners in these areas.

I waiting for a GPS system that will identify "high democrat voting districts" --for safety issues. :lol:

 

[The Sponge]

Done. It won't really mean anything though. Lots of rednecks on here. doggie bought them a beer or a round of golf and they will put up with anything from our resident bigot.

:mj07:

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Thomas Sowell

Rose and Milton Friedman Senior Fellow
The Hoover Institution
Stanford University
Stanford, California 94305

http://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/s...0-Thomas-Sowell-Poisoning-present-by-2741.ece

Thomas Sowell: Poisoning present by distorting slavery's past


Those who mine history for sins are not searching for truth but for opportunities to denigrate their own society, or for grievances that can be cashed in today, at the expense of people who were not even born when the sins of the past were committed.

An ancient adage says: "Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." But apparently that is not sufficient for many among our educators, the intelligentsia or the media. They are busy poisoning the present by the way they present the past.