Anders' World Cup Game-by-Game Plays

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Be very interesting to watch tonight...

Gotta admit I'm worried about the Brazil v Turkey game tho' .... I don't rate Kim Milton Nielsen as a very good ref AT ALL! Given what happened in the 1st rd between those 2 teams, the potential is here for an explosive match and I don't think Nielsen controls the game well :(
 

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South Korea v Germany: I just don't see this match as a great betting game. Given what's gone before, it's difficult to handicap objectively.
How you play it may depend on what school of trends and theories you follow. Do you back Germany because you believe the co-hosts have had such a fortunate run to get to this stage; therefore it must end now?
Or are you a believer in fate and back Sth Korea, believing that they are irresistible given the home advantage and good fortune with officiating?
They've certainly beaten better teams than Germany to get this far; even allowing for the mitigating factors when they were outplayed by Italy and Spain. Whose to say they won't now, buoyed by an almost invincible confidence, that they won't produce their best game of the tournament. It's not like their results have been that much of a fluke _ they showed in their build-up matches this year they were at least capable of pushing the big-name sides all the way.
Veteran captain Hong Myung-bo has ancored the defence in front of emerging goalkeeper Lee-Woon jae while midfielders Yoo-Sang chul and Lee-Young Pyo will test the Germans defence and midfield that seemed to lack the explosiveness of the US side in the quarter final.
Dietmar Hamman will need to pass a late fitness test for the Germans _ if he fails old RatFace Jeremies will start for Voeller's side. Hamman is the younger, more mobile player and may be needed to combat the movement in the opposition. He's a tough tackler with a dangerous long-range strike from either open play or set-pieces, while Jeremies is nearing the latter stages of his career.
The talk thru-out Gemmany's run to the last four is that they lack the class of previous German sides that have challenged for the title. Impossible to disagree with. Only Ollie Kahn is world class while Michael Ballack may be nearing that crown.
After the 8-0 demolition of stage-frightened Saudi Arabia in their opening game, Germany have done just enough to get thru. The win over Paraguay was uninspiring and they were the second-best team against the US but went thru on a combination of Kahn's keeping, some poor finishing and the controversial no-penalty call on the handball on the line.
It's inevitable they will look to Ziege, the wide midfielders and fullbacks to sling crosses in regularly - Korea's last three opponents have faced teams with very little aerial ability up front yet conceded a headed Vieri goal from a corner and hd two Spanish headed goal disallowed.
Klose hasn't scored in the knockout round and still looks to me like a player polishing the raw edges of his game _ he can look incredibly green and coltish at times.
Germany has had an extra day to prepare while the co-hosts have played two consecutive extra-time periods.
I have no feel at all on the side here. The total has a strong 'under' feel to it but the price reflects this and your take may again boil down to how u view trends _ the under is 10-2 in the knockout stage so far.
Am going to pass _ if you are looking for little value u could do worse than back both sides for a half-unit to win with a Golden Goal at a little over 10-1.

GL all :)


PS - gotta love that new Pat Avatar :D
 

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Pat Avatar-brilliant! You're definitely switched on Anders...:D

I think your analysis is well put but I'm a gambling derelict and am backing the Germans so I sink or swim tomorrow. Take care eh?
 

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Brazil v Turkey: Huge relief for all Brazilian fans and backers with the news that Ronaldo is set to play.
Brazil team doctor Jose Luis Runco said ``It was not an injury, it was just muscular fatigue. He rested, he followed the treatment he was instructed to. There's no problem anymore and he's allowed to play,'' Runco said on Tuesday.
Ronaldo, scorer of five goals in five games, had complained of a pain in his left thigh and was substituted in the second half of the 2-1 quarter-final defeat of England on Friday.
``He worked with more intensity today. Muscular fatigue can occur with any athlete. The natural tendency with rest and the work that has been done in the last five days is that he can play as usual,'' Runco said.
``This is the target, that he can play whatever length of time is necessary. This is what we have prepared him for.''
Goalkeeper Marcos has also been passed fit for the game after hurting himself in training on Monday.
``He trained as usual with no problem whatsoever,'' said Runco.
Scolari may have revealed his thoughts for tonight's line-up at training yesterday as he makes an enforced change with Ronaldinho suspended.
Most pundits had expected Scolari to replace the in-form Paris Saint Germain player with diminutive playmaker Juninho, dropped against England after playing in Brazil's opening matches.
But at a final training session, Scolari pulled Rivaldo back into a deeper midfield position and paired the exciting youngster Edilson in attack with Ronaldo.
With the new system, Rivaldo would be flanked in midfield by Kleberson and Gilberto Silva, with Cafu and Roberto Carlos acting as wingbacks.
The biggest decision facing Turkish coach Senol Gunes must be whether to stick with veteran striker Hakan Sukur.
Sukur has been absolutely awful during the entire tournament and Gunes must be having nightmares about whether to drop his side's most experienced player for the biggest match Turkey have ever played in favour of Ilhan Mansiz. Mansiz scored the Golden Goal winner over Senegal with an exquisite finish and was the topscorer in the Turkish league with Besitkas _ his confidence must be sky high compared to Sukur and he is far sharper.
It's been tough on the likes of Sas, Emre, Basturk and Davala to carry the attacking load so far; I don't think that will be enough tonight.
I backed Turkey with the start in the 1st rd encounter so was pretty gutted by the late penalty. But looking back on the game objectively, Brazil were the better side.
They outshot Turkey by a whopping 19-6 and did make some decent holes in an otherwise solid Turkish defence without taking their chances; couple with Rustu's fine display between the sticks.
They may not be the Brazil of '70 or even '82, but they shown some spirit to come from behind twice _ v Turkey and England _ and kill off a stubborn Belgium.
Turkey were probably value for money v Senegal but didn't get much of a challenge from a flat-looking Japanese side.
Brazil haven't lost a semifinal since 1938. I think if Scolari sticks with his training experiment then Rivaldo will give them great shape, balance and fluidity in midfield.
Riding the $9 outright ticket on them to win it all so will play the chalk here too.

PLAY BRAZIL ML $1.62/-158

GL all :)
 

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Anders, thanks for the time and effort you put into your discussions. I know its takes much of your time and I just wanted to thank you kindly!

Congrats on a great tourney, looking forward to the final!!!
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Cheers Poofs-man :D
And thanks heaps TTM$ - been a pleasure and an honour keeping u company

Yep, as much as I wanna ride the Brazil outright I'll hedge for a tournament profit...

Going on hols for a week on Sat, may only get one more post in... :(

hope this one is more use than a tit on a bull :)



Thought smugly to myself _ well, only an absolute sucker would have a bet on the 3rd v 4th place match at the World Cup. After all, no one's interested in kissing their sister (unless your sister is Angelina Jolie...) and there are a lot of intangibles to work with.
Then I started really thinking. Does the bookmaker think the same way and put out a line that may be able to be exploited? Are there angles and trends that we can find that may give us an edge?
So I did a little homework looking at three of factors _ motivation, fatigue and totals as I went back thru the last seven 3 v 4 playoffs off the modern era.

TOTALS:
In that time, the key fact to emerge which I'm sure most of us strongly suspected, is that the OVER is very dominant if there is a 2.5 goals line.
The last six games have all gone over the total _ the last under was Poland's 1-0 win over Brazil at West Germany '74.
Since then the goal tallies have been 3, 5, 4 (6 incl extra-time), 3, 4 and 3.
The reasons are fairly obvious too _ the fear of losing that drives teams particularly thru the knockout stage no longer exists. Defence goes out the window priority-wise in preference to providing a spectacle for the fans and displaying the skills that have been reined in until now (unless u r Brazil).
Another ingredient _ unfamiliarity. No longer will most sides field their first choice defence which has developed a trusted understanding of each other's roles. Instead, the whole side could be virtual strangers to each other as a combination. This may also hinder the fluidity off the offence but can be balanced by off-the-cuff sparks of flair and illuminated by defensive lapses.

FATIGUE: Most semifinal matches _ or the last game of group play when the 2nd rd used to work under that system _ are played on the same day, unlike this year's tournament.
In the 2 instances of teams playing on different days in the past 7 tournaments, there's been a win and a loss to the team with the extra day's rest _ Holland lost to Croatia in '98, Italy bt England in '90.

MOTIVATION: Usual theory is that one team may have a little more to play for in this game. It occurs when u may have a team favoured to win the World Cup or at least a real contender gets knocked out in the semi and faces a team that was an upstart in the last four and is delighted with what it has done already.
Team A, the favoured side, doesn't give a rats ass about this game after having its dream shattered, but Team B, the lesser light, is still on a high and wants to celebrate one last fling at its memorable big dance.
So how does the theory work on holding water?
By my amateur reckoning, the "Most Devastated" (MD) team has lost two and won one of the 3 v 4 playoffs when u could definitely separate the two sides into the above categories. That is: Holland lost to Croatia in '98, France lost to Poland in '82, while the win went to France in extra-time over Belgum in '86.
I don't think we can categorise a MD team here _ both teams did better than expected. So it's not a great help for handicapping this match but useful info to keep around for 2006...lol...
I nominated a favourite (without past prices/lines) for the past 7 matches as another exercise and came out with, somewhat surprisingly, 4 wins for the favourites and three for the dogs.

CONCLUSION: Is there any edge here for us bettors in this match?
I believe there is on the total, with an OVER play.
The line has been set (approx) at $2.13/$1.75; based mostly on what has gone previous in recent matches.
Sth Korea's totals in the playoffs were 3 goals in 3 games (not incl extra time) and 5 in 3 1st rd games _ every single game has gone under!
Turkey went over in 2 of 3 of their group matches then when the pressure heated up there were three consecutive unders (1, 0, 1).
But remember the unders were a standout 12-2 in the playoffs _ a number/percentage well out of synce with the past two Cups and one that should come back to the mean in time.
And as has been discussed, this game should see a totally different approach taken by both sides.
Yes, there'll be a lot of the 'stars' missing _ inJured, rested, suspended. But there'll be bench players busting a gut to impress and that likelihood of disorganised defences.
With the last 6 games going over, my onl fear is that this total could resort to the mean too. But the nice price sways me towards a value bet.

PLAY OVER 2.5 GOALS $2.15/+115 (best price I found)

GL all :)
 

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Anders,

I was going to do some looking into the exact same thing (over/under history on 3rd place matches).

You have done all the work for me !!!!

I will definately be having something on the over.

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I know virtually nothing about Soccer, but I scored an "A" in my psychology class about 12 yrs. ago.

Of course, both teams took their loss hard......but I think Turkey looked more devastated after their loss.

More importantly, I think the home folks will still be pumped and will not let their boys get down. Got to think S. Korea wins this one.
 

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The Last Post :)

Am off on a week's hols starting tomorrow so will watch the two final matches of the 2002 World Cup in semi-comfort.

Despite the horrendous effects of sleep dep, the long hours spent doing newspaper, radio and website commitments and the linesmen, I've has a fantastic time watching and wagering on the tournament and will miss it like crazy. I hope everyone who has ploughed thru my rantings has got some small tidbit that they found useful and I give many thanks to all those who have helped out, got in touch and been a football fanatic companion for the past mad month.

I have 3 futures bets still outstanding - Brazil to win WC @ $9, total red cards u19 -110 and total goals 161-180 +135.
It seems I may split the latter two. I have one red card to give and don't expect anyone to go silly in the 3 v 4 playoff, but we'll see. The goals total looked a great play until the unders cashed at an alarming rate in the knockout rounds and I'll now need a 7-goal thriller between Sth Korea and Turkey to collect.

I am going to hedge the Brazil outright. I pondered hard sitting on it but the amount of effort I've put in to be disciplined and manage the bankroll in the past 2 years won't let me. If you can make a guaranteed profit with one bet, you have to do it so I virtually insist anyone who took Brazil early as one of my plays to follow suit and take the Germans to win the cup x 2 units.

That will ensure the "tournament record" will finish around +5.32 units - given the topsy-turvey nature of the competition, I think I can live with that; hope u guys can too.

That means I haven't paid too much attention to the final itself. I don't think it's a great betting game to be honest. Because the unders since the start of the 2nd rd have gone 12-2 and everyone suspects it to happen again here included the linesmakers, the over has a tinge of appeal first. Remember, if Brazil score first (and early) the complex of what we all expect to happen will alter greatly and +155 is a nice price.

Well, gonna go pour me a Black Russian and read some Bukowski. See you all in 9 days.

GL team :)

Anders
 

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Why I am playing the over 2 1/2 in the 3rd place game.

Rarely can you find a game as predictable as this. As Anders stated the pressure is off. Of the entire tournament, this is the only "nothing" game. Certainly in the first round there were a few games where one side had clinched a spot in the next round, but their opponents had not, and even in these instances the teams may have been resting some star players, but they still had games remaining. Also the subs should have been giving their best effort in these earlier games.
The World Cup comes around only once every 4 years. For many of these players it may be their last chance. Since neither team is a dominant power they may not even qualify next time. For many of these players it is their last opportunity to score a World Cup goal. As far as team accomplishments go, well, there is not much difference between 3rd and 4th place.
I am not a big fan, but before the tournament, I checked the numbers from past WC. The one game I was really interested in was this one.

Going back the last 5 WC, this game went over 2 1/2 all 5 games
Average Goals Per Game of 4.2
The 10 teams(in the 5 games) averaged 2.55 goals per game in their previous games.
The 10 teams had played 33 unders and 27 overs in their previous Tournament games.

One year worth looking at is 1990 in Italy. The 3rd place game was between Italy and England. Two teams who knew each other. Of all the 3rd place games, certainly this is the one that may have meant something, especially to Italy who were the home team.
In their previous 6 games Italy had scored 8 goals while allowing only 1
In their previous 6 games England had scored 7 goals and allowed 4.
Only one of these teams previous 12 tournament games had gone over 2 1/2
If a third place game was going to go under 2 1/2 this is the one??
Final score Italy 2 England 1

The ten previous semi final games had produced 8 unders and 2 overs.
The 10 teams have scored a total of 8 goals between them in their semi-final game.
One other time had both teams in the 3rd place game both been shutout in the semi-final game, and that was in 1986. In that game France beat Belgium 4-2.

So it seems to me that regardless of team styles, previous tournament results, or even past rivalries, there is plenty of goals in this game.

I will have a large play on the over 2 1/2. I will also have 2 small plays on the halftime/fulltime results. Since I expect lots of goals, perhaps one team will lead at the half and the other will win. I think it is worth a shot at 26-1, and 34-1.

Good luck.
 

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Anders,

Good to see that the Red Card play and the Total Goals play fell your way in the end.

Nice call on Brazil - although that will teach you for being a pussy and hedging !!

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Hello, Hello....it's good to be back ... :D

Well, not good to be back at work :cry:

But did enjoy watching the World Cup's last 2 games on hols :cool:

Nice finish to the tournament for moi aussi, cashing the goals total, the under on the red cards, the Korea/Turkey over and of course, BRAZIL :clap:

So here's how I ended up:

World Cup: 54-67 +9.88 units
Sides: 21-32 -5.02 units
Totals: 12-10 +2.90 units
Props: 21-25 +12.00 units

:spotting:

Now I'm trying to decide which sport to concentrate on for the next few months... :confused:
 

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Good job on the World Cup Anders :D. Belated thanks for all the time you put in. Haven't seen you in the golf forum recently. Maybe it's time to dust down and make a comeback.
 
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