Arizona governor signs immigration enforcement bill
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dtb black gumby
thats pretty funny
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Great job avoiding the question. Another example of run on sentence king Skeet winning another debate.
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I used to love to play paint ball. A friend and I would go out for 24 hours right though the night.
we had night visiion and exploding paint ball balloons.
We played with alot of cops and firemen.
Then one day I was up in a tower waiting for someone to come along. This teenager walked up the path and wasnt really watching where he was going. I jumped up and shot him one time in the neck. He dropped like a rock and couldnt breathe
They had to call a ambulance for him.
It wasnt so fun anymore for me after that.
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yeh hit him on the front throat
the firemen were going to do a trach on him while he was laying on the ground
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for me its always one shot one kill
No scott here's whats funny/amusing
"Obama has called the new law "misguided" and instructed the Justice Department to examine it to see if it's legal. It requires police to question people about their immigration status ? including asking for identification ? if they suspect someone is in the country illegally. Opponents say it would lead to racial profiling because officers would be more likely to ask people who look Hispanic."
Lets see police might conclude illegals from mexico may be Hispanic --Making them racial profilers--DUH WTF
If they didn't can we label them liberal logic lunatics!!!!!!!!
Guess that makes me a racial profiler--maybe even a blatant profiler cause if they put a Skin Head--a muslim on a prayer mat--and a person with gang tats all over him--
I will have strong leanings on which is white supremist-gangbanger and suicide bomber.
Somehow I believe our law enforcement will be much more effective taking courses in profiling than liberal logic.
I have no problem with this bill
Sheriff Arapo running for Gov of Arizona
I like that idea.
Starting in Georgia now to look at illigals alot closer.
Send the fawkers back.
If they have kids born in USA, send them back too
No more free ride
you should love this DTB black gumby
its right up your alley getting rid of freeloaders.
Sheriff Arapo running for Gov of Arizona
I like that idea.
Starting in Georgia now to look at illigals alot closer.
Send the fawkers back.
If they have kids born in USA, send them back too
No more free ride
you should love this DTB black gumby
its right up your alley getting rid of freeloaders.
Feds? push to seize restaurant a rare one
Illegal workers at heart of French Gourmet case
By Greg Moran, UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER
Sunday, April 25, 2010 at 12:04 a.m.
The government is attempting to seize properties of The French Gourmet, open in Pacific Beach since 1979. John Gibbins / Union-Tribune
For more than three decades, The French Gourmet restaurant has been serving high-end cuisine in its 45-seat dining room, catering events across the county, and producing hundreds of wedding cakes annually.
But now the business on Turquoise Avenue in Pacific Beach finds itself the target of federal immigration authorities and prosecutors who want more than just a great Coquille St. Jacques or strawberry bagatelle cake.
In an indictment released last week, the government said it wants the property where the iconic restaurant has done business since 1979.
That move makes the case against The French Gourmet more than a simple immigration enforcement case. Prosecutors could have several reasons for seeking the property, legal experts said. They may want to make a prominent example of the restaurant as they pursue businesses that hire illegal workers. Or perhaps they want to increase the stakes and the pressure to get guilty pleas.
Whatever the reason, such a move is a rare and maybe even unprecedented wrinkle in the federal government?s enforcement program that for the past year has focused on employers who hire illegal workers.
Virginia Kice, a spokeswoman for U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, said she was unaware of any other instances in which a business was seized as the result of a work-site violation criminal case.
On Wednesday, the U.S. Attorney?s Office unsealed the indictment charging owner Michel Mal?cot, the restaurant corporation that he heads and manager and pastry chef Richard Kauffmann with knowingly hiring undocumented workers.
The indictment seeks criminal forfeiture of the two land parcels the business occupies, which records show have an assessed value of more than $1.3 million.
Mal?cot and Kauffmann pleaded not guilty to charges of conspiracy, false attestation and harboring illegal immigrants. The government alleges the restaurant for several years had a ?pattern and practice? of hiring illegal immigrants and continued to employ them after being told that the workers? Social Security numbers were bogus.
On Friday, Mal?cot said that he was ?very shocked? by the indictment and the charges. While he said he has been heartened by an outpouring of support from longtime customers and others, he said he was worried by the specter of losing his business.
?Of course I?m concerned,? he said. ?We?ve worked for so many years on that property.?
The indictment is in one sense the latest example of a stepped-up effort by the Obama administration to attack illegal immigration by cracking down on the employers who hire them. Several high-profile cases, including one in Maryland and another in Illinois, targeted restaurants, an industry that historically has been a magnet for illegal workers.
U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement has increased its investigative audits of employers by scouring their books and employment records for evidence they were illegally hiring.
But in another sense, the forfeiture bid is a way to signal to employers they must comply with the law.
?It changes the complexion of the case,? said Charles LaBella, a defense lawyer and former U.S. attorney in San Diego. ?The government is upping the price of poker here.?
And the possibility of losing the business through forfeiture may also be a tactic to pressure Mal?cot to plead guilty.
?They are all about leverage, and if they can threaten someone with the loss of property, it gives them one more tool to work with,? said San Diego defense lawyer Gerald Singleton.
The U.S. Attorney?s Office declined to comment on the case, which began in May 2008 when Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents raided the restaurant and arrested 18 undocumented workers. Discussions since then on settling the case proved fruitless, apparently over the amount of the fine the government was seeking.
?There were some efforts to try to negotiate the case and get it resolved,? said Kauffmann?s lawyer, Jeremy Warren. He added the government wanted an ?outrageous? amount of money but declined to reveal how much.
The government has gained assets of businesses in forfeiture proceedings stemming from work-site immigration violations. In San Diego in 2007, the owner and vice president of the Golden State Fence Co. pleaded guilty to criminal charges of hiring illegal workers, and they forfeited $4.7 million.
In the indictment of The French Gourmet, the government says the property should be given over because it was used to facilitate the illegal hiring, among other charges. But that can be tricky, said Richard Barnett, a San Diego lawyer whose practice concentrates on forfeiture law.
?Here you?re talking about what are alleged paperwork violations, and they are trying to take someone?s entire property,? he said. ?The question is how did this property facilitate the violation?? To him, the property is not involved in the violation, and he said arguing such a concept might not be enough to persuade a judge to approve a forfeiture.
The indictment says the company?s managers, including Mal?cot and Kauffmann, would certify on required Employment Verification Forms, known as I-9 forms, that documents employees gave them appeared to be genuine and they appeared to the best of their knowledge to be eligible to work in the U.S.
Workers were then put on the payroll. But later, the Social Security Administration would send ?no match? letters to the restaurant, saying that the Social Security numbers provided did not match the names of the actual holders of those numbers.
At that point, the indictment said, the workers would be taken off the payroll and paid in cash under the table, until they acquired employment documents that included new Social Security numbers. Those would also be sent in, with the restaurant attesting they appeared genuine.
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Illegal workers at heart of French Gourmet case
By Greg Moran, UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER
Sunday, April 25, 2010 at 12:04 a.m.
The government is attempting to seize properties of The French Gourmet, open in Pacific Beach since 1979. John Gibbins / Union-Tribune
For more than three decades, The French Gourmet restaurant has been serving high-end cuisine in its 45-seat dining room, catering events across the county, and producing hundreds of wedding cakes annually.
But now the business on Turquoise Avenue in Pacific Beach finds itself the target of federal immigration authorities and prosecutors who want more than just a great Coquille St. Jacques or strawberry bagatelle cake.
In an indictment released last week, the government said it wants the property where the iconic restaurant has done business since 1979.
That move makes the case against The French Gourmet more than a simple immigration enforcement case. Prosecutors could have several reasons for seeking the property, legal experts said. They may want to make a prominent example of the restaurant as they pursue businesses that hire illegal workers. Or perhaps they want to increase the stakes and the pressure to get guilty pleas.
Whatever the reason, such a move is a rare and maybe even unprecedented wrinkle in the federal government?s enforcement program that for the past year has focused on employers who hire illegal workers.
Virginia Kice, a spokeswoman for U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, said she was unaware of any other instances in which a business was seized as the result of a work-site violation criminal case.
On Wednesday, the U.S. Attorney?s Office unsealed the indictment charging owner Michel Mal?cot, the restaurant corporation that he heads and manager and pastry chef Richard Kauffmann with knowingly hiring undocumented workers.
The indictment seeks criminal forfeiture of the two land parcels the business occupies, which records show have an assessed value of more than $1.3 million.
Mal?cot and Kauffmann pleaded not guilty to charges of conspiracy, false attestation and harboring illegal immigrants. The government alleges the restaurant for several years had a ?pattern and practice? of hiring illegal immigrants and continued to employ them after being told that the workers? Social Security numbers were bogus.
On Friday, Mal?cot said that he was ?very shocked? by the indictment and the charges. While he said he has been heartened by an outpouring of support from longtime customers and others, he said he was worried by the specter of losing his business.
?Of course I?m concerned,? he said. ?We?ve worked for so many years on that property.?
The indictment is in one sense the latest example of a stepped-up effort by the Obama administration to attack illegal immigration by cracking down on the employers who hire them. Several high-profile cases, including one in Maryland and another in Illinois, targeted restaurants, an industry that historically has been a magnet for illegal workers.
U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement has increased its investigative audits of employers by scouring their books and employment records for evidence they were illegally hiring.
But in another sense, the forfeiture bid is a way to signal to employers they must comply with the law.
?It changes the complexion of the case,? said Charles LaBella, a defense lawyer and former U.S. attorney in San Diego. ?The government is upping the price of poker here.?
And the possibility of losing the business through forfeiture may also be a tactic to pressure Mal?cot to plead guilty.
?They are all about leverage, and if they can threaten someone with the loss of property, it gives them one more tool to work with,? said San Diego defense lawyer Gerald Singleton.
The U.S. Attorney?s Office declined to comment on the case, which began in May 2008 when Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents raided the restaurant and arrested 18 undocumented workers. Discussions since then on settling the case proved fruitless, apparently over the amount of the fine the government was seeking.
?There were some efforts to try to negotiate the case and get it resolved,? said Kauffmann?s lawyer, Jeremy Warren. He added the government wanted an ?outrageous? amount of money but declined to reveal how much.
The government has gained assets of businesses in forfeiture proceedings stemming from work-site immigration violations. In San Diego in 2007, the owner and vice president of the Golden State Fence Co. pleaded guilty to criminal charges of hiring illegal workers, and they forfeited $4.7 million.
In the indictment of The French Gourmet, the government says the property should be given over because it was used to facilitate the illegal hiring, among other charges. But that can be tricky, said Richard Barnett, a San Diego lawyer whose practice concentrates on forfeiture law.
?Here you?re talking about what are alleged paperwork violations, and they are trying to take someone?s entire property,? he said. ?The question is how did this property facilitate the violation?? To him, the property is not involved in the violation, and he said arguing such a concept might not be enough to persuade a judge to approve a forfeiture.
The indictment says the company?s managers, including Mal?cot and Kauffmann, would certify on required Employment Verification Forms, known as I-9 forms, that documents employees gave them appeared to be genuine and they appeared to the best of their knowledge to be eligible to work in the U.S.
Workers were then put on the payroll. But later, the Social Security Administration would send ?no match? letters to the restaurant, saying that the Social Security numbers provided did not match the names of the actual holders of those numbers.
At that point, the indictment said, the workers would be taken off the payroll and paid in cash under the table, until they acquired employment documents that included new Social Security numbers. Those would also be sent in, with the restaurant attesting they appeared genuine.
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Texas town vows fight to keep illegal immigrants from renting houses
The Fort Worth Star-Telegram
As the national debate over illegal immigration reignites, Farmers Branch remains in the middle of the battle as city leaders refuse to accept the unconstitutionality of rules they put in place to prevent illegal immigrants from renting homes.
The Dallas suburb plans to appeal a court ruling against its ordinance, which would prevent landlords from renting houses or apartments to illegal immigrants ? and it hopes to serve as an example to other communities trying to deal with illegal immigration.
"Farmers Branch is a town of law and order ... a patriotic, American-loving town," Mayor Tim O'Hare said. "I think this is important for America. It's important to show other cities and towns that you can make a difference, you can stand up for what's right."
This comes as cities such as Hazleton, Pa., and states including Arizona and Oklahoma work to address problems they believe are brought on by illegal immigration.
Arizona ignited a political firestorm Friday when Republican Gov. Jan Brewer signed what is believed to be the nation's toughest anti-illegal-immigrant law. President Barack Obama blasted the bill as "misguided" and told the Justice Department to determine whether it's legal.
Democrats in Congress want to overhaul federal immigration laws before year's end.
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The Fort Worth Star-Telegram
As the national debate over illegal immigration reignites, Farmers Branch remains in the middle of the battle as city leaders refuse to accept the unconstitutionality of rules they put in place to prevent illegal immigrants from renting homes.
The Dallas suburb plans to appeal a court ruling against its ordinance, which would prevent landlords from renting houses or apartments to illegal immigrants ? and it hopes to serve as an example to other communities trying to deal with illegal immigration.
"Farmers Branch is a town of law and order ... a patriotic, American-loving town," Mayor Tim O'Hare said. "I think this is important for America. It's important to show other cities and towns that you can make a difference, you can stand up for what's right."
This comes as cities such as Hazleton, Pa., and states including Arizona and Oklahoma work to address problems they believe are brought on by illegal immigration.
Arizona ignited a political firestorm Friday when Republican Gov. Jan Brewer signed what is believed to be the nation's toughest anti-illegal-immigrant law. President Barack Obama blasted the bill as "misguided" and told the Justice Department to determine whether it's legal.
Democrats in Congress want to overhaul federal immigration laws before year's end.
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I don't have a pony in this race, but find it interesting. Seems some of what I said is trying to come true: A state or two calling for an Arizona ban for vacationers and a boycott of DBack games because of the owner.
A boycott of beisbol y touristas? poque?
Uh, silly idea here? Why not just enforce the FEDERAL LAW ON THE STATE LEVEL?
Sorry for being silly, it happens from time to time
--and which states would that be???--only ones I'm seiing is ACLU a few caucuses and other liberal entities but--
Nice to Da Base out protesting again--was getting tired of seeing those racist tea party people :SIB
The slogan on the back of a protesting Puerto Rican singer from the band Calle 13 says ?Luz verde para invadir Arizona.? Translation: ?Green light to invade Arizona:?
But they keep telling us there?s no such thing as a ?no borders? movement:
More Anti-Immigration Talking Points
More Anti-Immigration Talking Points
Opponents of Ariz. measure say it's racial
profiling
Colin Atagi ? The Desert Sun ? April 27, 2010
Nearly 100 people rallied in Desert Hot Springs on
Monday to protest a law targeting undocumented
immigrants one state east of the Coachella Valley.
Standing at Palm Drive and Two Bunch Palms Trail,
the crowd denounced the Arizona law that lets law
enforcement officers ask about immigration status if
they have a ?reasonable suspicion? a person is
undocumented.
The protesters didn't deny there is a problem with
people illegally crossing the United States-Mexico
border.
However, they called the law a form of racial
profiling that lumps troublemakers with
undocumented immigrants who try to live peaceful
lives.
?We're almost going backwards? with racial equality,
said Marisela Davila, 46, of Desert Hot Springs, a
first generation Mexican-American.
The law has revved up the national debate over what
to do with the estimated 12 million illegal
immigrants living in the United States.
President Barack Obama has called the new law
?misguided? and instructed the Justice Department
to examine it to see if it's legal.
Meanwhile, protesters waved American flags and
carried signs that read ?America was built on
immigration,? and ?Immigration is not police duty?
as several motorists honked their horns in support.
At least one passerby shouted at protesters to ?go
home,? but the rally otherwise remained peaceful as
people argued their case against the Arizona law.
?As a teacher, I don't want to check IDs every time a
brown kid is in my classroom. That's racism,? said
Palm Springs resident Carl Bodon, 45, a teacher at
Two Bunch Palms Elementary School in Desert Hot
Springs.
Rally organizers said they hope the United States
government instead pursues immigration reform
and controls the border instead of using the general
Latino population as ?scapegoats? for the nation's
economic downturn.
?Immigrants who come here do the hardest labor,?
said Francisco Camacho of the Desert Hot Springs
Committee for Social Justice.
Except for American Indians, ?No matter what color
you are, you're an immigrant,? he said.
More Anti-Immigration Talking Points
Opponents of Ariz. measure say it's racial
profiling
Colin Atagi ? The Desert Sun ? April 27, 2010
Nearly 100 people rallied in Desert Hot Springs on
Monday to protest a law targeting undocumented
immigrants one state east of the Coachella Valley.
Standing at Palm Drive and Two Bunch Palms Trail,
the crowd denounced the Arizona law that lets law
enforcement officers ask about immigration status if
they have a ?reasonable suspicion? a person is
undocumented.
The protesters didn't deny there is a problem with
people illegally crossing the United States-Mexico
border.
However, they called the law a form of racial
profiling that lumps troublemakers with
undocumented immigrants who try to live peaceful
lives.
?We're almost going backwards? with racial equality,
said Marisela Davila, 46, of Desert Hot Springs, a
first generation Mexican-American.
The law has revved up the national debate over what
to do with the estimated 12 million illegal
immigrants living in the United States.
President Barack Obama has called the new law
?misguided? and instructed the Justice Department
to examine it to see if it's legal.
Meanwhile, protesters waved American flags and
carried signs that read ?America was built on
immigration,? and ?Immigration is not police duty?
as several motorists honked their horns in support.
At least one passerby shouted at protesters to ?go
home,? but the rally otherwise remained peaceful as
people argued their case against the Arizona law.
?As a teacher, I don't want to check IDs every time a
brown kid is in my classroom. That's racism,? said
Palm Springs resident Carl Bodon, 45, a teacher at
Two Bunch Palms Elementary School in Desert Hot
Springs.
Rally organizers said they hope the United States
government instead pursues immigration reform
and controls the border instead of using the general
Latino population as ?scapegoats? for the nation's
economic downturn.
?Immigrants who come here do the hardest labor,?
said Francisco Camacho of the Desert Hot Springs
Committee for Social Justice.
Except for American Indians, ?No matter what color
you are, you're an immigrant,? he said.
