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Who cares where people got drafted... Gilbert Arenas and Giniobili were drafted in the second round. Kwame has sucked his first few years in the league and L. Odom has always underachieved. Boris Diaw is an absolute STUD and is better than anyone besides Odom on the Lakers.

I don't know if Shaq could have carried this team to the playoffs. Kobe was injured a lot last year and that had to do with some of the problems. Too me Shaq looks lazy and tired. Phoenix has more overall talent than the Lakers. Not one organization in the league would trade S. Marion and B. Diaw for L. Odom and K. Brown. Who cares if Nash has won back to back MVPs... Hasn't Shaq only won ONE. Is Nash better than Shaq. Those awards are voted on by the media. I bet most of the players would want to face Nash than Kobe. But who cares its all speculation and personal theories.
Last time i checked it isnt a 1 on 1 game, and if you put kobe on a team with 4 blank slates and nash on a team with 4 blank slates, everyone in the league would want to face kobes team. He is near impossible to stop but he makes no one better on his team, and his teams plan of "give it to kobe and he might kick out if triple teamed" is a pretty easy one to figure out and beat. Im not going to sound like a suns homer, but Kobe needed the refs help more than he needed any other teamates help in game 4, if it wasnt for those terrible no calls this wouldnt even be a series.
And even if Kobe is near impossible to gaurd, Lebron IS impossible to gaurd. Anyone coming on here after a lakers victory and saying Kobe is the best player in the league should go back to unpacking their dusty gold and purple 34 jerseys and hop back on the lakers bandwagon.
 

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Last time i checked it isnt a 1 on 1 game, and if you put kobe on a team with 4 blank slates and nash on a team with 4 blank slates, everyone in the league would want to face kobes team. He is near impossible to stop but he makes no one better on his team, and his teams plan of "give it to kobe and he might kick out if triple teamed" is a pretty easy one to figure out and beat. Im not going to sound like a suns homer, but Kobe needed the refs help more than he needed any other teamates help in game 4, if it wasnt for those terrible no calls this wouldnt even be a series.
And even if Kobe is near impossible to gaurd, Lebron IS impossible to gaurd. Anyone coming on here after a lakers victory and saying Kobe is the best player in the league should go back to unpacking their dusty gold and purple 34 jerseys and hop back on the lakers bandwagon.

IF, IF, IF, IF, IF - All I know is that Kobe will be taking down the almighty Steve Nash tommorrow night. It also looks like Dallas is better without Nash. BTW - Phoenix has been to the FT line more than the Lakers this series.
 

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and if you put kobe on a team with 4 blank slates and nash on a team with 4 blank slates, everyone in the league would want to face kobes team. He is near impossible to stop but he makes no one better on his team


it's obvious you hate the lakers so arguing with you would be futile.

kobe is on a team with four blank slates. nash is on a team loaded with talent.

kobe's the best player in the nba bar none and its not even close. check out espn's interview of nba players of who they thought was the best player in the league and it was a landslide to kobe bryant. this was done last year. but i guess other players in the league don't know any better.

when its said and done, kobe will be considered the best ever even better than jordan. when that is said and done, lebron will be considered the best player ever, even better than kobe. and when that's all said and done, theres a 5 year old somewhere who will be better than lebron someday. its impossible to compare different players in different eras as atheletes and the game itself change. anyone who thinks dr. j, or kareem, or other top caliber players would be as dominant today is smoking something. atheletes are just taller, faster, and stronger today.

and as for kobe, he's made a bunch of nobody's better in this series. only lamar odom would be a starter on another team in the nba.

you have every right to your opinion and to hate him, but its ignorant to not recognize how truly awesome he is. he might not be a role model, but then again neither was jordan who got kicked out of the league for a year for gambling to spend time with his family while riding school buses in the back woods of alabama trying to hit a baseball. and i'm sure he never cheated on his wife. i don't think any other nba player has ever cheated on their wife. except shaq who has children from multiple women. he might be the exception. and maybe shawn kemp, although he denies it. the rest of the league is full of real prominent citizens.

gl
 

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Duncan hasn't won 6 Championships like Jordan... Tim Duncan was the best player in the NBA the last few years. But age is starting to hang it's heavy hand on Duncan. He doesn't dominate games like Duncan in the past. Plus, he has a better supporting cast with Ginobili and Parker than Lebron or Kobe

Its not the age, its injuries. Just want to cliarify.
 

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its Kobe hands down
take off your blinders...and stop drinking that Haterade.

I suppose you also believe that a stock Mustang is faster than a Stock Vette too......
 

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Nash is reigning & back2back mvp, and not KOBE. The suspension was crap. Kwame and Luke shoud have received a one gamer. Kobe is cheap n a dirty player, always begging the refs for a call.

Nash will lead them at Staples and the suns will win one for Raja.

Its quite obvious the league put money on the Lakers to advance. The Suns are getting bent over and taking it up the ass....Kobe in Colorado style!
 

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someone obviously thinks Nash makes his team better than Kobe does his, so saying "who cares if he has b2b MVPs" is a little confusing IF the object is to improve your team like Bird, Magic, Kidd have done it in the past ... Marbury, Iverson, Tmac types are antithesis of that concept ... is Kobe better than those guys, of course, not comparing him to them, I am saying people in the know have picked Nash for 2 years over Kobe and I for one applaud it
 

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just a reminder.....

His own coach wrote a book lighting Koby up pretty good. Of course, money talks and everyone is buds now.
 

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it's obvious you hate the lakers so arguing with you would be futile.

kobe is on a team with four blank slates. nash is on a team loaded with talent.

gl
Its Obvious your an LA Homer, so it is futile to talk to you about LA Teams.

Kobe is on a team with four blank slates because he makes them four blank slates, cause it is the Kobe show. When Kobe passes the few games of the series the guys makes shots and plays, and the media hypes them as being a great team and "developing".

On another note, Im tired of hearing how Kwame is "developing", yes he is only 23, but he still sucks this year. Does he need another 5 years to get decent?!?!

Anyways, Nashs team IS loaded with talent, they are injured on the bench!!! And they are loaded with talent because he makes them look very good, he gives them the wide open 3s and the easy jams.

If you think Kobe is the best player in the league I can honestly respect that, but I disagree. Kobe is one of the most gifted and talented for sure. But Kobe will not be the next jordan, 10 years into Jordans career they were saying "will there ever be one better, he is easily the greatest", 10 years into Kobes career they are surprised his selfish ass made the playoffs and he made a practice because his rape trial got out early.

All Kobe had on Lebron was that Kobe was soooo clutch, and he was. But After Lebrons game tonight, whose more clutch Kobe or Lebron, easily could make an argument for both. But you cant make an argument that Kobe is better than Lebron, he is just the greatest player in the league right now, take off your lakers goggles and then reevaluate.
 

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FWIW in comparing KObe and MJ on the "other" end

Jordan earned first team all defense 8xs (tying bobby jones for most) most probably wouldve had ten had he not sat out in prime 2 years.

Kobe altho excellent defender has 3 first team awards and slipped to 3rd team this year
 

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interesting grist

interesting grist

Late-game heroics


Throughout much of his career, Kobe Bryant has been heralded as one of the premier "clutch" scorers in the NBA. In a sense, this term refers to a player's ability to take over and lead his team to victory under pressure during tight games, notably at the end of regulation or in overtime periods. Bryant's exceptional ability to will his team to victory in the last seconds of a close game has often been compared to the legendary Michael Jordan's capacity to do the same thing. According to an NBA poll directed at general managers throughout the league before the 2005?06 season, Bryant was overwhelmingly voted as the player they would choose to take the last shot during the crucial moments of basketball games.

Interestingly though, there are some who question whether Bryant's reputation in this regard is fully justified. One prominent such group would be APBRmetricians, who have performed a number of statistical analyses yielding results indicating that Bryant's reputation for performing "in the clutch" exceeds his actual deeds in that regard.

In February of 2006, USA Today conducted an analysis which took into account NBA players' scoring, rebounding, assist and turnover statistics within the final two minutes and in overtime periods of the games of the 2005-2006 NBA season prior to the All-Star break. Kobe Bryant's name was noticeably absent from the league's individual leaders in every category, as were the Lakers in every team category.

Moreover, from the 2003-2004 season through March 16, 2006, Bryant has hit a lower percentage of his "game-winning" shot attempts (defined as a shot taken when one's team is tied or trailing by one or two points, and with 24 seconds or less left in the game) than the overall league average, and a substantially lower percentage of such shots than many other players, such as Allen Iverson, Michael Redd, Carmelo Anthony, and Jalen Rose, who are not nearly as widely lauded for late-game heroics as is Bryant.
 

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it's obvious you hate the lakers so arguing with you would be futile.

kobe is on a team with four blank slates. nash is on a team loaded with talent.

kobe's the best player in the nba bar none and its not even close. check out espn's interview of nba players of who they thought was the best player in the league and it was a landslide to kobe bryant. this was done last year. but i guess other players in the league don't know any better.

when its said and done, kobe will be considered the best ever even better than jordan. when that is said and done, lebron will be considered the best player ever, even better than kobe. and when that's all said and done, theres a 5 year old somewhere who will be better than lebron someday. its impossible to compare different players in different eras as atheletes and the game itself change. anyone who thinks dr. j, or kareem, or other top caliber players would be as dominant today is smoking something. atheletes are just taller, faster, and stronger today.

and as for kobe, he's made a bunch of nobody's better in this series. only lamar odom would be a starter on another team in the nba.

you have every right to your opinion and to hate him, but its ignorant to not recognize how truly awesome he is. he might not be a role model, but then again neither was jordan who got kicked out of the league for a year for gambling to spend time with his family while riding school buses in the back woods of alabama trying to hit a baseball. and i'm sure he never cheated on his wife. i don't think any other nba player has ever cheated on their wife. except shaq who has children from multiple women. he might be the exception. and maybe shawn kemp, although he denies it. the rest of the league is full of real prominent citizens.

gl


:mj07: :mj07: :mj07:

And I suppose you think the Dodgers are the best team in baseball too, LMAO!

Homer! :142smilie

prominent citizens-------------> :mj07:
 

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where the fck do any of you yokels think i have laker goggles. you're all a bunch of immature fcking morons which make posting on this board a chore.

i never said the lakers are great. i laid over 2 dimes against them when the playoffs started.

i've constantly said all season they were lucky to get in the playoffs. so what if i like them. i'm not blinded by them. and their talent sucks. imo kobes the best in the league. its not my fault your all blind if you think he's not good or whatever. you are entitled to your own opinion.

if the league disbanded today, kobes in the hall of fame and nash isn't. thats reality. when its said and done will nash be...probably. i like nash. he deserves an mvp. doesn't mean hes' better than kobe. was barkley a better player than jordan when he won in 92-93 which by the way was jordans 2nd most points per game scoring average of his career. was malone better in 96-97 when jordan and his bunch won a title.

you can all say whatever your opinion is, but don't make up facts about mine. i like the lakers but aren't blinded by them. and if you think kobe has no talent and isn't one of the leagues elite and a first ballot hall of famer, then you don't know basketball.

i'm done with the subject and with trying to talk any sense in the nba forum. have a wonderful playoffs and good luck to all

gl

and for anyone who can't see, try taking kobe out of the lakers starting 5 and then take nash out of the suns starting 5. and then play a game of 4 on 4. the lakers would lose by 50 every time.
 
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The man is unreal, no doubt about it. How can you truly argue Nash is better or that Kobe isnt the best player in the league??? About the only guy I put up there is Iverson right now but Kobe has so many more plusses over him it isnt funny. Lebron is in the mix also but I would take Bryant every time.

GL
 

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score 50 and lose means nothing, its like throwing 60 passes in nfl, you dont win ... include your mates, AI disease ... lakers suckered into phx tempo and watching kobe go one on one
 
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score 50 and lose means nothing, its like throwing 60 passes in nfl, you dont win ... include your mates, AI disease ... lakers suckered into phx tempo and watching kobe go one on one

Kobe played amazing that game... Are u serious? He shot over 50% from the field and tried early on to get everyone involved. Nash PLAYED like an MVP should. Props to him...

Phil Jackson lost the game for the Lakers. With 6 seconds to go, up by three points, and a foul to give... I have never seen such a stupid play. After the missed three pointer they should have tackled whoever got the ball and made them inbounds from the side with under 3 seconds to shoot. Just plain stupid... But props to T. Thomas made a great shot.
 

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Kobe is hands down the best as of today but baby Lebron has shown maturity beyond his years and will be the best of the best when it is all said and done. i may be a lil premature i am willing to say lebron will be the best ever when he is done. i know thats a bold statement but this kid and i will say kid he is only 21. 21 and he is the leader and voices his opinion. it is his team already and he is showing it. i seen jordans entire career and lebron way ahead of him at this stage of the game. of course all will be measured by championships which i doubt that lebron can get 6. but he is a an awesome player beyong his years and once he develops a solid outside game he will excel even more.
 
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Kobe is hands down the best as of today but baby Lebron has shown maturity beyond his years and will be the best of the best when it is all said and done. i may be a lil premature i am willing to say lebron will be the best ever when he is done. i know thats a bold statement but this kid and i will say kid he is only 20. 20 and he is the leader and voices his opinion. it is his team already and he is showing it. i seen jordans entire career and lebron way ahead of him at this stage of the game. of course all will be measured by championships which i doubt that lebron can get 6. but he is a an awesome player beyong his years and once he develops a solid outside game he will excel even more.

I agree with everything you just said. Kobe has the mantle today, but he will hand it off to Lebron very soon.
 
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