Biden/Palin In Game thread
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I'd pretty much agree with Wayne's take on this one, essentially. I can't say strongly enough after watching her in action again last night, though, that I am incredibly fearful that she could actually be in the Oval Office and in charge of this country. If anyone honestly feels that Sarah Palin showed enough last night to represent them as President, then I would submit that you are out of your mind. And in my opinion, that is the important thing that SHOULD come out of this scenario.
Some random thoughts:
? ABC News put up a graphic and talked about 9 VP's throughout history have taken over for the sitting President (for various reasons). My quick analysis, which could be wrong, shows that to be 20% or one in five, have taken over. Considering the age of McCain, his medical history and what he has gone through in life, and the pressures that the next President will have to face, this has to enter into the thinking of any voter. Simple question: Would you feel good about Sarah Palin running this country, with everything a President has to do?
? I honestly think that Palin asked Biden when they met on stage if she could call him Joe, that she was prepped to utter the catchphrase "Say it ain't so, Joe." Really weak.
? Biden's emotional retort to Palin trying to tug on American's heartstrings was the most individually "real" thing I've ever seen in a debate - about the family that he lost, sitting at the table with the kids he raised on his own, etc. He was visibly upset with her offhanded, rehearsed, scripted attempt to own that idea, and I hope that hit home with people.
? Palin was so lacking in content, depth, and understanding of ANYTHING throughout the night that I'm sure it had to sway objective undecided voters who hopefully saw through the fluffy orations for what she is - a pretty face with no cattle, or whatever Wayne says.
? The only reason we're saying Palin did an ok job is because nobody has any expectations of what she brings to the table. Is that REALLY a win, when people stop and think? If anyone else in the world had been up there with that kind of performance, would they get off this easily? Stockdale? Quayle? They had more to offer in many ways and were vilified by the press and commentators - and voters.
? I want to produce the first Obama campaign ad using the debate footage, starring Palin.
"Well, since I've only been at this for, like, 5 weeks..."
? When asked about what she would do as V.P., her initial comment was that she would try to increase the role of the office into more areas (or something similar to that) which is frightening considering what she brings to the office and what we've witnessed by Dick Cheney for 8 years. Biden hit that question out of the park, explaining that he would be a confidant of Obama, a balance with his experience and opinions, and work with him on issues when asked. He explained exactly what the VP is, and does, and he would follow all of that.
And Sarah wants to, um, do more stuff, and things.
There can be no doubt who actually won the debate, who did more for their candidate and more to discredit the opposition's candidate - he killed McCain all night, and she did nothing to refute most of it. Essentially, Biden debated McCain without him being there. Which shows an objective voter that he's a good choice as VP, and a real option to be President. Of course, people will say that she won because she didn't lose - but when you're side is 5 or so points behind going in, and headed south, simply avoiding every issue all night and exceeding the lowest possible expectations - well, that just ain't good enough.
Not sure which debate you watched but Fox had it 76 percent for Palin, 1 percent for Biden and 24 percent for Cheney.
On another note Chad when she said the Joe comment in the beginning, i figured Biden might be one of those guys that wants to be called something specific like Senator Biden, and hates being called Joe. Thought maybe some Republicans laugh at this, and told her to say it to get him worked up early. Some of the stuff Palin said makes me wonder why she is a Republican. Sounds like she would be a good democrat. She promised that her and the other Maverick will be working for the middle class :shrug:
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you know agent, unlike most people on here, I never had a problem with you. Now you call me racist and sexist, and I'd like to crack you in the side of the head. Evidently you don't understand it could be inexperience, not just racist or sexist. Funny how you'll agree with Chadman that Palin isn't capable, but yet I'm sexist.
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dont worry sham
agent is a racist and he trys to hide it by calling others that.
""In the English-speaking world, Bosniaks are most commonly known as Bosnian Muslims""....
fortunately,i happen to belong to the english speaking world....
but....
:142smilie ...he set us up....lol..and he actually used the term correctly,in referring to the bosniaks as "muslim" ....
i stand corrected...:142hail:
good work,stevie...now,maybe you can straighten out the "fdr on t.v. in 1929" comment?.....
Some #'s beside cbs and cnn's 500 people--"snap" polls--in "their" polling regions--once again the big polling #'s show same as Mac vs O.
T
Heres a million who voted
{{{{DRUDGE POLL}}}} WHO WON THE VICE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE?...
BIDEN
28% 149,851
PALIN
70% 369,544
NEITHER
2% 9,890
Total Votes: 529,285
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++
AOL poll
http://webcenter.polls.aol.com/modu...=1609&channel=aol_us_election08&pollId=152822
Palin 249,809
Biden 239,827
draw 45,828
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++
remember in future when you read anything into cs-nbc-cnn polls
T
Heres a million who voted
{{{{DRUDGE POLL}}}} WHO WON THE VICE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE?...
BIDEN
28% 149,851
PALIN
70% 369,544
NEITHER
2% 9,890
Total Votes: 529,285
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++
AOL poll
http://webcenter.polls.aol.com/modu...=1609&channel=aol_us_election08&pollId=152822
Palin 249,809
Biden 239,827
draw 45,828
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++
remember in future when you read anything into cs-nbc-cnn polls
Polls are either scientific or they aren't
Even scientific polls can be viewed with some scrutiny.
Unscientific polls are so beyond meaningless it's laughable.
Even scientific polls can be viewed with some scrutiny.
Unscientific polls are so beyond meaningless it's laughable.
I just call them like I see them brother. A LOT of peeps can't handle that. As much as anything, it was half joking, which most of my posts are. But hey, you wouldn't be the first guy to take a swing at ole Agent.
THE RACE IS OVER
Obama/Biden in a rout !
Couldn't care less what wishful republicans are saying, Sarah Palin and her "first dude" can go back up on the North Slope.
Obama/Biden in a rout !
Couldn't care less what wishful republicans are saying, Sarah Palin and her "first dude" can go back up on the North Slope.
Some #'s beside cbs and cnn's 500 people--"snap" polls--in "their" polling regions--once again the big polling #'s show same as Mac vs O.
T
Heres a million who voted
{{{{DRUDGE POLL}}}} WHO WON THE VICE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE?...
remember in future when you read anything into cs-nbc-cnn polls
Oh, great point! THESE polls you mention are not to be believed, and you prove it by showing the DRUDGE REPORT poll as being an objective reference why.
In the words of a favorite tv commercial..."EXCELLENT!!!"
C'mon, man, YOU can do better than that, can't you?
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I added AOL they had this time also--justfor that purpose--Just wanted to show how off base cnn and cbs polling demographics is.
on drudge--I would say Matt himslef leans right but has artices from both sides of fence--and mostly from NYT-AP and others--
Last time I got that I put up columnist that participate--this time I put up news media that contibutes---looks pretty unbiased to me:shrug:
Site is most viewed by tons for some reason?
Maybe Dems wouldn't be so mad if he didn't put up cable news ratings--or was it because he broke Clinton/Monica story when all others were afraid to touch it
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Well, Wayne, you might be able to convince others that don't follow Drudge, his past, the reasons for his success, and the headlines and actual content of the stories he links - when, and why - that his site is not mainly a mouthpiece against Dems, but you won't convince me, because it simply isn't true. Many times here I have referenced his headlines and subject matter to be damning and damaging (whether deserved or not) to democratic interests, and the lean is much more than slight.
If we need to do a daily check thread, and take a tally of the actual headlines he puts up (which is many times not the focus of the story, BTW) and the lean - I'd love it. You care to do that, or want to back down from your soft-sell of his motives and tactics, or just spin this some other way?
Of course his site is DESIGNED to be sensational and headline-driven, that's what makes it so visited - he was very smart in that setup, a real visionary, and I admire that part of his site. Of course he will mention negative stories for conservatives that are top of interest, because he has to to maintain his position - but they pale in comparison to his tactics the other way.
In no way can Drudge be considered unbiased, to anyone who checks it out on a daily basis. And to use his poll, which is about as far from a scientific or legitimate way to measure ANYTHING, as a reference, is easily questioned. Surely you can see how the numbers he says occurred on his site could be questioned, couldn't you? Especially the lopsidedness of them, in the direction they were, considering the debate and the participants?
If we need to do a daily check thread, and take a tally of the actual headlines he puts up (which is many times not the focus of the story, BTW) and the lean - I'd love it. You care to do that, or want to back down from your soft-sell of his motives and tactics, or just spin this some other way?
Of course his site is DESIGNED to be sensational and headline-driven, that's what makes it so visited - he was very smart in that setup, a real visionary, and I admire that part of his site. Of course he will mention negative stories for conservatives that are top of interest, because he has to to maintain his position - but they pale in comparison to his tactics the other way.
In no way can Drudge be considered unbiased, to anyone who checks it out on a daily basis. And to use his poll, which is about as far from a scientific or legitimate way to measure ANYTHING, as a reference, is easily questioned. Surely you can see how the numbers he says occurred on his site could be questioned, couldn't you? Especially the lopsidedness of them, in the direction they were, considering the debate and the participants?
A sampling from moments ago on Drudge - just for kicks. I doubt we'll need to compare as mentioned above - but here's some proof to my point. Check the headlines that are anti-Obama/Biden and are anti-McCain/Palin. Again, happy to do this any day we need to...
UPDATE: Teacher Suspended For Releasing 'Obama Youth' Video...
MCCAIN CALLS OBAMA A LIAR...
Pit bull! (Under cool Palin pic at the pulpit)
PALIN ON REV. WRIGHT: 'APPALLING'
GOP to file fundraising complaint against Obama...
Internet fraud? (In same box with above)
Mysterious contributions... (Same box)
OBAMA CALLS MCCAIN 'ERRATIC IN CRISIS'... (Hey, there's one!!!)
and two more...
'HOPE' AND 'CHANGE' AND 'KEATING 5'...
RNC UNLOADS ITS AYERS FILE...
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Does that group of Drudge headlines look remotely equal to you?
UPDATE: Teacher Suspended For Releasing 'Obama Youth' Video...
MCCAIN CALLS OBAMA A LIAR...
Pit bull! (Under cool Palin pic at the pulpit)
PALIN ON REV. WRIGHT: 'APPALLING'
GOP to file fundraising complaint against Obama...
Internet fraud? (In same box with above)
Mysterious contributions... (Same box)
OBAMA CALLS MCCAIN 'ERRATIC IN CRISIS'... (Hey, there's one!!!)
and two more...
'HOPE' AND 'CHANGE' AND 'KEATING 5'...
RNC UNLOADS ITS AYERS FILE...
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Does that group of Drudge headlines look remotely equal to you?
