Not going to get too heavily involved in the outrights for this marathon pitch and putt contest just one play Matt (the AT&T choker) Gogel, he proved on the Buy.com tour he can win and in this format where he seems at home he is a big price again this week, he was 7th here last year and 100-1 is a fair price. I have taken 125-1 at Alphabet, for those with accounts at Centrebet he is 160-1 which is very big
Bob Hope Chrysler
- Thread starter Ian
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Preview & plays:
A later slot in the PGA Tour schedule, but still the same old pro-am format. This is the only event played on four different courses and alongside the Invensys Classic it shares the distinction of being the only 90-hole events. It shares with the Invensys, formerly the Las Vegas Invitational, the distinction of being the easiest of PGA Tour events. In the 1990s, 71% of rounds recorded at the Bob Hope were under par, and second was the Invensys Classic with 69%. We wouldn't want to embarrass those amateurs would we!
While none of the four courses will embarrass the amateurs, there is a big difference between the courses, in particular between the easiest, Indian Wells and the hardest two, La Quinta and Bermuda Dunes. Look out for 18-hole matchups across the two courses! The other course, Arnold Palmer's course, PGA West, will be used twice this year as it is the venue for the final round. It was the venue for Duval's 59 in 1999. In such events, it reduces down to putting contests as the par-fives tend to be reachable for everyone, so whoever putts best on the Bermuda greens this week will win.
The three outright picks for the Bob Hope are David Duval, John Huston and Fred Funk. Duval may have missed two cuts in a row and taken a week off, but in a field that is somewhat weaker than in previous years and is very much weaker than in the previous two weeks, he stands out from the crowd. The winner with a closing 59 in 1999, he has finished in the top-five in both 1998 and 2000 and in an event which requires low-scoring, then he has shown himself to be at his best on easier courses. Now he has reverted back to his Titleist irons and spent a week on the range, he may rediscover his touch and with the short stick, that touch has always been best on Bermuda greens. With double-digits the benchmark for an e/w play, then he appeals at that mark.
John Huston is definitely a player with a reputation for shooting low on easy courses. And his reputation in this event is just as inspiring. He has not finished below 30th in the last ten stagings [he has been an ever-present in that time], shooting an incredible 195-under-par during that time. He has finished in the top-10 four times in the last five years and comes off decent finishes in Hawaii. This is a targeted event for Huston and he should not disappoint.
Fred Funk is proof that length is not a prerequisite at the Bob Hope. He has finished 7th and 4th here in the last two years and already has two top-10s and two further top-30 finishes in his four starts on the PGA Tour this year. With a weakened field and a record of shooting low in this event, he could be a profitable place finisher. With all the e/w bets paid on the first five places, the plays are ...
Outright plays:
David Duval to win 10/1 e.w. @ Stanley [no relation, honest!]
John Huston to win 22/1 e.w. @ Surrey or Victor Chandler
Fred Funk to win 50/1 e.w. @ Surrey
A later slot in the PGA Tour schedule, but still the same old pro-am format. This is the only event played on four different courses and alongside the Invensys Classic it shares the distinction of being the only 90-hole events. It shares with the Invensys, formerly the Las Vegas Invitational, the distinction of being the easiest of PGA Tour events. In the 1990s, 71% of rounds recorded at the Bob Hope were under par, and second was the Invensys Classic with 69%. We wouldn't want to embarrass those amateurs would we!
While none of the four courses will embarrass the amateurs, there is a big difference between the courses, in particular between the easiest, Indian Wells and the hardest two, La Quinta and Bermuda Dunes. Look out for 18-hole matchups across the two courses! The other course, Arnold Palmer's course, PGA West, will be used twice this year as it is the venue for the final round. It was the venue for Duval's 59 in 1999. In such events, it reduces down to putting contests as the par-fives tend to be reachable for everyone, so whoever putts best on the Bermuda greens this week will win.
The three outright picks for the Bob Hope are David Duval, John Huston and Fred Funk. Duval may have missed two cuts in a row and taken a week off, but in a field that is somewhat weaker than in previous years and is very much weaker than in the previous two weeks, he stands out from the crowd. The winner with a closing 59 in 1999, he has finished in the top-five in both 1998 and 2000 and in an event which requires low-scoring, then he has shown himself to be at his best on easier courses. Now he has reverted back to his Titleist irons and spent a week on the range, he may rediscover his touch and with the short stick, that touch has always been best on Bermuda greens. With double-digits the benchmark for an e/w play, then he appeals at that mark.
John Huston is definitely a player with a reputation for shooting low on easy courses. And his reputation in this event is just as inspiring. He has not finished below 30th in the last ten stagings [he has been an ever-present in that time], shooting an incredible 195-under-par during that time. He has finished in the top-10 four times in the last five years and comes off decent finishes in Hawaii. This is a targeted event for Huston and he should not disappoint.
Fred Funk is proof that length is not a prerequisite at the Bob Hope. He has finished 7th and 4th here in the last two years and already has two top-10s and two further top-30 finishes in his four starts on the PGA Tour this year. With a weakened field and a record of shooting low in this event, he could be a profitable place finisher. With all the e/w bets paid on the first five places, the plays are ...
Outright plays:
David Duval to win 10/1 e.w. @ Stanley [no relation, honest!]
John Huston to win 22/1 e.w. @ Surrey or Victor Chandler
Fred Funk to win 50/1 e.w. @ Surrey
At Sportsbook.....Can someone really go this low (62)... How about an over/under on Arnie? First I've seen that.....
Any Thoughts???
Bob Hope Chrysler Classic - Ov/Un Winning Score - 90 Holes
02/14/01 301 Winning Score - 90 Holes OFF OFF Over 331.5 (-130)
12:00 ET Winning Score - 90 Holes OFF OFF Under 331.5 (Even)
Bob Hope Chrysler Classic - Ov/Un Lowest Single Day Score
02/14/01 303 Lowest Single Day Score OFF OFF Over 62.5 (-120)
12:00 ET Lowest Single Day Score OFF OFF Under 62.5 (-110)
Bob Hope Chrysler Classic - Ov/Un Cut Score - 72 Holes
02/14/01 305 Cut Score -72 Holes OFF OFF Over 279.5 (-110)
12:00 ET Cut Score -72 Holes OFF OFF Under 279.5 (-120)
Arnold Palmer Ov/Un Lowest Single Day Score
02/14/01 307 Lowest Single Day Score OFF OFF Over 75.5 (-120)
12:00 ET Lowest Single Day Score OFF OFF Under 75.5 (-110)
Any Thoughts???
Bob Hope Chrysler Classic - Ov/Un Winning Score - 90 Holes
02/14/01 301 Winning Score - 90 Holes OFF OFF Over 331.5 (-130)
12:00 ET Winning Score - 90 Holes OFF OFF Under 331.5 (Even)
Bob Hope Chrysler Classic - Ov/Un Lowest Single Day Score
02/14/01 303 Lowest Single Day Score OFF OFF Over 62.5 (-120)
12:00 ET Lowest Single Day Score OFF OFF Under 62.5 (-110)
Bob Hope Chrysler Classic - Ov/Un Cut Score - 72 Holes
02/14/01 305 Cut Score -72 Holes OFF OFF Over 279.5 (-110)
12:00 ET Cut Score -72 Holes OFF OFF Under 279.5 (-120)
Arnold Palmer Ov/Un Lowest Single Day Score
02/14/01 307 Lowest Single Day Score OFF OFF Over 75.5 (-120)
12:00 ET Lowest Single Day Score OFF OFF Under 75.5 (-110)
Weather looks perfect except for showers on wed.........FWIW...Two players shot 62 last year, Lickliter & Barry Cheesman
http://weather.yahoo.com/forecast/Palm_Desert_CA_US_f.html
http://weather.yahoo.com/forecast/Palm_Desert_CA_US_f.html
You would have collected in each of the last 4 years by going under 62.5, Geiberger shot a 61 also last year and Duval had his 59 the year before I would say the under is a damn good bet
Stanley...Arnold teeing it up at Bermuda Dunes @ 9:48. If this is one of the tougher of the four courses, would we then have some decent value on over the 75 1/2 with th cut perhaps in early jeopardy?
Don't forget Arnold has 4 chances to shoot "low" before the cut and the courses are set up so as not to embarass the amateurs
Would agree with Ian, the 'under 62' looks decent proposition. I also like Arnie to get one round under 76. Last year was the only year he ever failed to shoot below 76 in this event and he did at least shoot 76! Form in Senior PGA Tour at the end of last year was decent and much better than the prop would suggest, even managed rounds in the 60s, and from what I saw of the Senior Skins game, he looked in pretty good shape to take advantage of one of the courses, maybe even his own private course PGA West.
Outrights:two longshots for 1/2 unit each E/W
@ Surry (Hopefully I get account credited in time)
Hoch 50/1
Beem 100/1
Got a little 72 match parlay @ WSEX I will play 1 unit on and count in 3ball stats.
All pups @ +100 or more
Zinger over May
Calc over Leonard
Tiplett over Sutton
Huston over Cink
Faxon over Roberts
$10 returns $342
Statistically I may have left best pup out there which is Toms +115 over Flesch.
Have not fared well with Toms of late so did not include.If added return would be $748
I sure took up lots of space for $20 worth of bets
@ Surry (Hopefully I get account credited in time)
Hoch 50/1
Beem 100/1
Got a little 72 match parlay @ WSEX I will play 1 unit on and count in 3ball stats.
All pups @ +100 or more
Zinger over May
Calc over Leonard
Tiplett over Sutton
Huston over Cink
Faxon over Roberts
$10 returns $342
Statistically I may have left best pup out there which is Toms +115 over Flesch.
Have not fared well with Toms of late so did not include.If added return would be $748
I sure took up lots of space for $20 worth of bets
DTB
Toms over Flesch is one of my match bets and already took him at -110 with Ladbrokes (with the tie) didn't realise he would be the dog in US books
By the way Surrey spelt with e, you might upset someone posh from the Home Counties (not me I'm from the provinces)
Toms over Flesch is one of my match bets and already took him at -110 with Ladbrokes (with the tie) didn't realise he would be the dog in US books
By the way Surrey spelt with e, you might upset someone posh from the Home Counties (not me I'm from the provinces)
Ian I plan on adding the E when I can log on to site in under 3 minutes
Been having problems pulling up additional stats at golfonline of late.Was going to try an check how Hoch fared in 1st event of year for past ten years and can't get in? Wish all my resources were as fast as Stans site.Its bang bang and I'm there.
Been having problems pulling up additional stats at golfonline of late.Was going to try an check how Hoch fared in 1st event of year for past ten years and can't get in? Wish all my resources were as fast as Stans site.Its bang bang and I'm there.
Yikes DTB, you don't need to go firing off your guns, I'll get you your stats quick as you like
More seriously,
90-hole plays:
Paul Azinger to beat Rory Sabbatini -118 @ Easybets
Zinger has not been in the best of form since the Mercedes, but in a putting contest on Bermuda greens he is as good as they come. Sabbatini was 2nd last year, but has shown no form since finishing 2nd at the Sony Open
Glen Day to beat Frank Nobilo -120 @ Victor Chandler [2 units]
Two players in decent form, but Day is much the better putter and has the course record to prove it. Nobilo missed the cut last year in his only appearance for some time
Justin Leonard to beat Jose Maria Olazabal -118 @ Easybets
Rested after a couple of surprise missed cuts, Leonard returns to this course on which putting on the Bermuda greens will be very important. He should improve on last year's mid-table finish and beat Olazabal who has not played in this event before and is hitting too many irons off the tee to challenge the leaderboard
More seriously,
90-hole plays:
Paul Azinger to beat Rory Sabbatini -118 @ Easybets
Zinger has not been in the best of form since the Mercedes, but in a putting contest on Bermuda greens he is as good as they come. Sabbatini was 2nd last year, but has shown no form since finishing 2nd at the Sony Open
Glen Day to beat Frank Nobilo -120 @ Victor Chandler [2 units]
Two players in decent form, but Day is much the better putter and has the course record to prove it. Nobilo missed the cut last year in his only appearance for some time
Justin Leonard to beat Jose Maria Olazabal -118 @ Easybets
Rested after a couple of surprise missed cuts, Leonard returns to this course on which putting on the Bermuda greens will be very important. He should improve on last year's mid-table finish and beat Olazabal who has not played in this event before and is hitting too many irons off the tee to challenge the leaderboard
You got me spoiled with your stats Stan.I now expect all others to be that competent
I like SurrEy's format once I'm in but takes a while to get there.Trying to get them funds but having bit of a time getting them to except them.Believe I will have account credited in lb$. It kind of fun and was very lucky for me,plus keeps me abreast of foreign exchange rates.
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Nice observation on Oly hitting the irons last week.I noticed that also but failed to retain it for this weeks event.Good job
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Thanks Ian Got right in myself this time.
[This message has been edited by DOGS THAT BARK (edited 02-13-2001).]
My 4 match bets for event
Toms over Flesch (best you can get)
Funk over Sutton -111 Ladbrokes
Faxon over Olazabal -111 Ladbrokes
Day over Nobilo -120 VC
Seems to be some strong agreement there Stan
DTB Golfonline now appears to be working
Toms over Flesch (best you can get)
Funk over Sutton -111 Ladbrokes
Faxon over Olazabal -111 Ladbrokes
Day over Nobilo -120 VC
Seems to be some strong agreement there Stan
DTB Golfonline now appears to be working
Duval is too short considering that he cannot decide which clubs to use and has not really been setting the world on fire...10/1 is a terrible price even with all the big guns missing. I would like to see some evidence that he has some stability with his club selection and that he is playing reasonably well before risking my money at such short odds.
John Huston was the first player I liked despite his record on bentgrass and in California. 16/1 is a fair price following his 5th in the Mercedes and 14th in Hawaii and he will be better rested than most but as my main selection I prefer -:
JIM FURYK (25/1 Surrey) - A great price considering that he is suited to these pro-am events and has won the 5-round Las Vegas Invitational 3 times so will have the stamina. When he gets hot he is amongst the best in the world and he has already got a win under his belt this year in the Mercedes and a 14th in Hawaii in the Sony Open. He will be fresh after a break and is great value with Surrey paying down to 5 places. Also my idea of this year's US Master's winner.
ROCCO MEDIATE (66/1 Bet247) - everyone seems to have forgotten about Rocco despite his excellent 6th in the Mercedes and 2nd in Phoenix to Calcavecchia. The price is way too big and deserves to be snapped up. He was 15th here last year and generally plays well in these type of events.
GREG KRAFT (100/1 BlueSQ & Tote) - An excellent 5th in Tucson and solid 7th last week in the Buick..available at 80/1 elsewhere and can't for the life of me see why. He looks like he is ready to peak and it could well be this week. A small interest is the order of the day.
Finally, FRED FUNK (40/1 Bet247) could also be worth keeping an eye on. 7th here last year and plays well in Pro-Am's. 20th in Tucson, 5th in Hawaii, 9th in the Phoenix, 27th in the Buick shows that consistency is the name of his game. Consistency is usually rewarded at some point and no time like the present.
John Huston was the first player I liked despite his record on bentgrass and in California. 16/1 is a fair price following his 5th in the Mercedes and 14th in Hawaii and he will be better rested than most but as my main selection I prefer -:
JIM FURYK (25/1 Surrey) - A great price considering that he is suited to these pro-am events and has won the 5-round Las Vegas Invitational 3 times so will have the stamina. When he gets hot he is amongst the best in the world and he has already got a win under his belt this year in the Mercedes and a 14th in Hawaii in the Sony Open. He will be fresh after a break and is great value with Surrey paying down to 5 places. Also my idea of this year's US Master's winner.
ROCCO MEDIATE (66/1 Bet247) - everyone seems to have forgotten about Rocco despite his excellent 6th in the Mercedes and 2nd in Phoenix to Calcavecchia. The price is way too big and deserves to be snapped up. He was 15th here last year and generally plays well in these type of events.
GREG KRAFT (100/1 BlueSQ & Tote) - An excellent 5th in Tucson and solid 7th last week in the Buick..available at 80/1 elsewhere and can't for the life of me see why. He looks like he is ready to peak and it could well be this week. A small interest is the order of the day.
Finally, FRED FUNK (40/1 Bet247) could also be worth keeping an eye on. 7th here last year and plays well in Pro-Am's. 20th in Tucson, 5th in Hawaii, 9th in the Phoenix, 27th in the Buick shows that consistency is the name of his game. Consistency is usually rewarded at some point and no time like the present.
90 hole match plays
Triplett - 105 over Sutherland @ Oly
Sluman -110 over Lickliter @ Oly
Mediate - 105 over Lickliter @ Oly
Geiberger -120 overBlake @ 5 Dimes
Lickliter again? I like the #'s plus got to be thinking bout last week.
Seen several takes on Funk who is excellent money maker in match bets,however tourney in 99 always sticks in mind concerning his will to win.He was in light rough with semi lie to a par 5 with 205 carrie over water.He was in last group, needed eagle for playoff and a par to cinch 2nd.After going back and forth for several minutes between wedge and 5 iron he opted for wegde took his par and 2nd place.Will never forget it.
Looks like linesmakers get sharper each year.Couldn't find any 1st round matches to take advantage of Indian Wells
Triplett - 105 over Sutherland @ Oly
Sluman -110 over Lickliter @ Oly
Mediate - 105 over Lickliter @ Oly
Geiberger -120 overBlake @ 5 Dimes
Lickliter again? I like the #'s plus got to be thinking bout last week.
Seen several takes on Funk who is excellent money maker in match bets,however tourney in 99 always sticks in mind concerning his will to win.He was in light rough with semi lie to a par 5 with 205 carrie over water.He was in last group, needed eagle for playoff and a par to cinch 2nd.After going back and forth for several minutes between wedge and 5 iron he opted for wegde took his par and 2nd place.Will never forget it.
Looks like linesmakers get sharper each year.Couldn't find any 1st round matches to take advantage of Indian Wells
1st round results
90 hole match plays
Triplett - 105 over Sutherland 9 down
Sluman -110 over Lickliter 3up
Mediate - 105 over Lickliter 4 down
Geiberger -120 overBlake 3up
Will see some wild swings on these in next 2 days.
2nd round plays
Allenby over Olazabal -105 5Dimes
Verplank over C Perry +110 $plays.
90 hole match plays
Triplett - 105 over Sutherland 9 down
Sluman -110 over Lickliter 3up
Mediate - 105 over Lickliter 4 down
Geiberger -120 overBlake 3up
Will see some wild swings on these in next 2 days.
2nd round plays
Allenby over Olazabal -105 5Dimes
Verplank over C Perry +110 $plays.
upgrading Allenby to a double play.
For recording keeping purposes will count as 2 wins or losses or in case of last week 2 ties.
For recording keeping purposes will count as 2 wins or losses or in case of last week 2 ties.
