Anybody with the word on the Suvi/Garza fight?
Congrats to Rios backers :toast: . Heard from some good cappers that he was a good bet but didn't pull the trigger
. Quietest week on the yr for me unless the Suvi fight went off.Boxing 9/10 - 9/12
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Anybody with the word on the Suvi/Garza fight?
Congrats to Rios backers :toast: . Heard from some good cappers that he was a good bet but didn't pull the trigger
. Quietest week on the yr for me unless the Suvi fight went off.Ouch! Bad week for me. A couple results still pending, but the result is in for me. Anytime I see a lot of wagers I like, the truth is that I don't see shit, and should take it light. Spreading oneself too thin rarely , if ever, works out.
Impressive win by Rios!
He really seems to have improved a great deal!
A profitable week thanks to Wladimir, who really looks better and better. IMO he didnt fight cautiously at all!
It would have been a great great week though, if Rios had stayed down after he got punched when he was down, dq Ward Abraham style!!
Too bad!!
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He really seems to have improved a great deal!
A profitable week thanks to Wladimir, who really looks better and better. IMO he didnt fight cautiously at all!
It would have been a great great week though, if Rios had stayed down after he got punched when he was down, dq Ward Abraham style!!
Too bad!!
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You meant if Salido had stayed down (smiles). It's ironic that Joe Cortez, who DQ'd Humberto Soto for cuffing Francisco Lorenzo on the head when Lorenzo was down, didn't DQ Gamboa for a blatant illegal blow that looked quite a hard shot, too, when Salido was on the canvas.
Salido "saved" Cortez by getting up and continuing. The Mexican guy was too damned proud to quit or do a Lorenzo/Luis Santana type of acting job. As for Wlad vs Peter, why do corners keep sending out their guys in a lost cause? Peter should have been pulled out after eight rounds. Instead he winds up getting flattened two rounds later. I sometimes wonder what the corners are thinking.
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You meant if Salido had stayed down (smiles). It's ironic that Joe Cortez, who DQ'd Humberto Soto for cuffing Francisco Lorenzo on the head when Lorenzo was down, didn't DQ Gamboa for a blatant illegal blow that looked quite a hard shot, too, when Salido was on the canvas.
Salido "saved" Cortez by getting up and continuing. The Mexican guy was too damned proud to quit or do a Lorenzo/Luis Santana type of acting job. As for Wlad vs Peter, why do corners keep sending out their guys in a lost cause? Peter should have been pulled out after eight rounds. Instead he winds up getting flattened two rounds later. I sometimes wonder what the corners are thinking.
My thoughts exactly on both fights. And I wonder what Cortez would have done had Salido chosen to go for the Emmy and just remained on the canvas. Instead Salido made it easy for Cortez and showed some stones by bouncing back up to give it a go. Certainly many if not most fighters would have stayed down in hopes of the dq.
By rd 8, Peter had NO chance. I know I had the under but regardless, there is no need for a fighter to take unneccessary punishment.
On a side note, I'd like to see the Klits get their just due. I don't understand the distain for them but like em or hate em they are dominant heavies and both belong in the all time class IMHO.
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Yep, I meant Salido!
If he had stayed, he would have had to dq Gamboa. I dont know if there is another option!
But that goes to show you that anything can happen (well not here, but in the Soto vs. Lorenzo fight) and sometimes I just cant ignore these lines!!
It would have been a lot better for me, if Peter had survived another 90 seconds! But quite frankly, this fight should have been stopped earlier. Peters corner even threatend to pull him out, but just wouldnt do it!
BTW, congrats Graham! Nice call on the Morales fight, I wasnt sold on Morales stopping Limond!
Yep, I meant Salido!
If he had stayed, he would have had to dq Gamboa. I dont know if there is another option!
But that goes to show you that anything can happen (well not here, but in the Soto vs. Lorenzo fight) and sometimes I just cant ignore these lines!!
It would have been a lot better for me, if Peter had survived another 90 seconds! But quite frankly, this fight should have been stopped earlier. Peters corner even threatend to pull him out, but just wouldnt do it!
BTW, congrats Graham! Nice call on the Morales fight, I wasnt sold on Morales stopping Limond!
I think both Klitschko's would have been a handful for any of the all time heavy greats.
Forget the older timers, as most were basically cruisers, and the size difference would have been just too much to overcome. Who could've challenged them from the black and white era? Marciano was 190lbs soaking wet, so come on. Joe Louis 210 or so...Louis had some fluid skill, so maybe he could've done some things against them. Schmeling 190lbs? Jack Dempsey, ugh...
As for the more recent 'greats'. Joe Frazier couldn't have matched-up. Foreman in his hey-day could've matched them strength-wise, but I think the Klit's are more skilled and would have gotten inside those wide shots. Ali I think could have found a way to beat them.
Larry Holmes would have been tough, again because of skill level. Jab and composure. Even a prime Tyson never fought anyone like them on his way up. Tyson was great no doubt, but he was also the beneficiary of a very deficient heavyweight division (Pinklon Thomas, Tony Tubbs, Trevor Berbick, etc.)
Lennox Lewis proved that another big strong skilled heavy, like the Klits themselves, seems to be the only prototype that can challenge them.
So, yes I think both certainly need to be included in any discussion about all time heavy greats. They are the two-headed dragon of today's heavyweight era...and they've pretty much cleaned out the division. It seems the only worthy heavyweight fight today is for them to fight each other. That will never happen, nor should it.
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A lot of hatred towards the Klit brothers, early in their careers, stemmed from this photo:
http://www.pedrovanraamsdonk.com/boksen/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/WladimirVitaliKlitschko05.jpg
But, by those standards, David Haye should be BANNED from the sport for this:
http://www.johnnyikon.com/data/articles/2009/06/4606/cosmo66.jpg
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http://www.pedrovanraamsdonk.com/boksen/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/WladimirVitaliKlitschko05.jpg
But, by those standards, David Haye should be BANNED from the sport for this:
http://www.johnnyikon.com/data/articles/2009/06/4606/cosmo66.jpg
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Better representations of the sport:
http://bootleggersports.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/keeley-hazell-boxing.jpg
http://prommanow.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/elenaboxing3.jpg
http://bootleggersports.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/keeley-hazell-boxing.jpg
http://prommanow.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/elenaboxing3.jpg
Man, in retrospect, that was some really shitty capping from me this weekend. Sorry guy's, and I'm a little embarrassed. Worse capping weekend of the year me thinks. I saw a number of fights dead wrong, and even looking back, I'm not sure how I could've been so off? I really thought Limond would challenge Morales. Booth gave a decent account of himself, but not enough to turn the tables. Didn't think Graf would be dominated either??
My apologies, and better stuff to come.
Gotta work harder, do better research.
My apologies, and better stuff to come.
Gotta work harder, do better research.
Couldn't have said it better. There are past heavies that could have beaten them such as Foreman, Lewis, Ali, possibly Holmes, possibly prime Tyson but make no mistake they would have been a handful for anybody. Well said :0074.
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What needs to be considerd IMO is that the athletes are constantly getting better (better training and whatever...). This is easy to see in sports where you can "measure" their results like running or swimming!
Louis or Marciano would have no shot against either Klitschko and I very much doubt that anyone from the 70s or 80s had much of a shot either!
Thats no to say, they are the greatest of all time, IMO you can only match them up within their era without being unfair!
Louis or Marciano would have no shot against either Klitschko and I very much doubt that anyone from the 70s or 80s had much of a shot either!
Thats no to say, they are the greatest of all time, IMO you can only match them up within their era without being unfair!
the kilts are a rare combination of size and athleticism.....almost freaks of nature....two guys that learned how to use their height and length....
that`s rare...
they would have been more than competent heavies at 6`3"....but,imo,it`s the combination of height/reach(and the willingness to use it to advantage) that sets them apart...
there is a certain element in boxing that refuses to give white(non-american) heavyweights their due(it`s been the black man`s domain for a very long time).....
i also think lennox lewis would have held his own vs any heavyweight in history...
the klits and lewis are huge human beings....when i watch lewis on hbo telecasts...look at his hands holding the microphone...look at him next to the other commentators....it`s a stark reminder of what a physically imposing monster the guy was...
that`s rare...
they would have been more than competent heavies at 6`3"....but,imo,it`s the combination of height/reach(and the willingness to use it to advantage) that sets them apart...
there is a certain element in boxing that refuses to give white(non-american) heavyweights their due(it`s been the black man`s domain for a very long time).....
i also think lennox lewis would have held his own vs any heavyweight in history...
the klits and lewis are huge human beings....when i watch lewis on hbo telecasts...look at his hands holding the microphone...look at him next to the other commentators....it`s a stark reminder of what a physically imposing monster the guy was...
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I think you're right, but i also think it's more the media than boxing itself. They have a lot invested in certain myths, and they ignore whatever doesn't propagate them.
Good post! I think what you've said is entirely accurate. I always laugh when comparisons are made of old school football teams, to the great teams of today. Who would've won? On Lombardi's Packer team the offensive and defensive lineman weighed like 220lbs. They were not as big or strong as today's linebackers. Plus, when you consider how training techniques and coaching schemes have evolved...the game would have been a non-competitive utter ass-kicking. The teams of today could have named the score and half of the old school team would have been taken out on stretchers.
Every once in an era an athlete comes along who breaks the mold. In boxing, Ali for example, had the skill set which would have made him great today. And we are only talking heavyweights. In the lower weight classes, where 147= 147 regardless of the era, I think a lot of the past greats would have been highly competitive today. Sugar Ray Robinson for example.
