Cincinati Gorilla
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It's really crazy. They had to kill the gorilla, there was no other choice. I know if my granddaughter was in there I would want her back to safety as soon as possible no matter how they did it. You can't take a chance, that thing weighs 450 pounds and dragged that kid like he was nothing. He could have ripped an arm off. He did seem to be protective of the kid but his strength is just too much.
The mother should be held responsible in some way. No way was that kid supervised like he should have been because I'm sure it wasn't an easy task to get into the pit or whatever they call it. There should be consequences for the parents, it's their fault the gorilla is dead now.
My best friend just took his family to Sea World this weekend and we were just on the phone talking about it. I am in no way a person who is out fighting for animal rights or anything like that but I told him we haven't gone to Sea World or the Zoo in probably 12 years and it's because the last time I went I didn't enjoy it because I felt bad for the animals. I agree the gorilla had to be shot for the kids protection but there just shouldn't be a need to keep gorillas and animals like that in captivity Maybe I'm getting old or something but it just feels wrong to me. Maybe if they lived in one of those areas where it's gigantic and you have to drive your cars thru to watch them but even then it seems wrong. All of these people want to take their kids to see animals locked up in the zoo but are ok with the same kids playing video games non stop. Get the F out of the house and take them camping if you want to see nature.
Re reading this and I know for sure I'm getting too old because it doesn't even sound like me to myself. Maybe I drank too many beers this weekend. :toast:
Re reading this and I know for sure I'm getting too old because it doesn't even sound like me to myself. Maybe I drank too many beers this weekend. :toast:
Exactly. People just need something to bitch about.
And before we get the tranquilizer people starting, suppose it was your child or grandchild.
"With the child still in the exhibit, tranquilizing the 450-pound gorilla was not an option," Maynard said. "Tranquilizers do not take effect for several minutes and the child was in imminent danger. On top of that, the impact from the dart could agitate the animal and cause the situation to get much worse.?
"I?ve seen him take a green coconut, which you can?t bust open with a sledgehammer and squish it like this," Hanna told "Good Morning America" about Harambe, gesturing with his hand the ease with which gorillas can crush fruit. "You?re dealing with either human life or animal life here. So what is the decision? I think it?s very simple to figure that out."
The parents should be arrested for child endangerment and the parents should be held responsible, how do you let your kid climb the fence to get in there? Sad news they had to kill him. Such a powerful beast. In the end the right decision was made to kill him, the zoo had no other choice.
Not just parents, but zoo will face some questions too: how was that even possible ?
A few years back i was involved with a tiger cage planning over here and it was completely thought
through that people can't get in contact with it in an accident or deliberately. Or damage cage
with car or break glass etc.
Here is Tamur, giving it's nasty face to zookeeper :lol:
A few years back i was involved with a tiger cage planning over here and it was completely thought
through that people can't get in contact with it in an accident or deliberately. Or damage cage
with car or break glass etc.
Here is Tamur, giving it's nasty face to zookeeper :lol:
just dont fuck with a 500 lob ape :mj07:
however yes if it was your child you want swift action to get child back to safety
but theres something wrong here xstop
however yes if it was your child you want swift action to get child back to safety
but theres something wrong here xstop
I don't want to ruin this thread, so I will post a comment in the Political, even though it's just news.
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We just got back from our trip to Great Smoky Mtn. Park.On our 1st day driving to Cades Cove traffic came to a stand still because of a bear & cub spotted walking across a patch of open land. As always a picture from 150 yds. was not good enough for 3 people , so they started walking out to get closer picture. WTF you are going to risk your life & the bear & cub for a stinking photo. You can go to the zoo & get a real close up. I told my wife let's get moving so we know we are at least ahead of 3 idiots .
Only seen 3-4 with their youngsters also 3 bears & cub plus a lot of wild turkeys. The park is unbelievable we will be going back.
Amanda O'Donoughue
21 hrs ?
I am going to try to clear up a few things that have been weighing on me about Harambe and the Cinci Zoo since I read the news this afternoon.
I have worked with Gorillas as a zookeeper while in my twenties (before children) and they are my favorite animal (out of dozens) that I have ever worked closely with. I am gonna go ahead and list a few facts, thoughts and opinions for those of you that aren't familiar with the species itself, or how a zoo operates in emergency situations.
Now Gorillas are considered 'gentle giants' at least when compared with their more aggressive cousins the chimpanzee, but a 400+ pound male in his prime is as strong as roughly 10 adult humans. What can you bench press? OK, now multiply that number by ten. An adult male silverback gorilla has one job, to protect his group. He does this by bluffing or intimidating anything that he feels threatened by.
Gorillas are considered a Class 1 mammal, the most dangerous class of mammals in the animal kingdom, again, merely due to their size and strength. They are grouped in with other apes, tigers, lions, bears, etc.
While working in an AZA accredited zoo with Apes, keepers DO NOT work in contact with them. Meaning they do NOT go in with these animals. There is always a welded mesh barrier between the animal and the humans.
In more recent decades, zoos have begun to redesign enclosures, removing all obvious caging and attempting to create a seamless view of the animals for the visitor to enjoy watching animals in a more natural looking habitat. *this is great until little children begin falling into exhibits* which of course can happen to anyone, especially in a crowded zoo-like setting.
I have watched this video over again, and with the silverback's postering, and tight lips, it's pretty much the stuff of any keeper's nightmares, and I have had MANY while working with them. This job is not for the complacent. Gorillas are kind, curious, and sometimes silly, but they are also very large, very strong animals. I always brought my OCD to work with me. checking and rechecking locks to make sure my animals and I remained separated before entering to clean.
I keep hearing that the Gorilla was trying to protect the boy. I do not find this to be true. Harambe reaches for the boys hands and arms, but only to position the child better for his own displaying purposes.
Males do very elaborate displays when highly agitated, slamming and dragging things about. Typically they would drag large branches, barrels and heavy weighted balls around to make as much noise as possible. Not in an effort to hurt anyone or anything (usually) but just to intimidate. It was clear to me that he was reacting to the screams coming from the gathering crowd.
Harambe was most likely not going to separate himself from that child without seriously hurting him first (again due to mere size and strength, not malicious intent) Why didn't they use treats? well, they attempted to call them off exhibit (which animals hate), the females in the group came in, but Harambe did not. What better treat for a captive animal than a real live kid!
They didn't use Tranquilizers for a few reasons, A. Harambe would've taken too long to become immobilized, and could have really injured the child in the process as the drugs used may not work quickly enough depending on the stress of the situation and the dose B. Harambe would've have drowned in the moat if immobilized in the water, and possibly fallen on the boy trapping him and drowning him as well.
Many zoos have the protocol to call on their expertly trained dart team in the event of an animal escape or in the event that a human is trapped with a dangerous animal. They will evaluate the scene as quickly and as safely as possible, and will make the most informed decision as how they will handle the animal.
I can't point fingers at anyone in this situation, but we need to really evaluate the safety of the animal enclosures from the visitor side. Not impeding that view is a tough one, but there should be no way that someone can find themselves inside of an animal's exhibit.
I know one thing for sure, those keepers lost a beautiful, and I mean gorgeous silverback and friend. I feel their loss with them this week. As educators and conservators of endangered species, all we can do is shine a light on the beauty and majesty of these animals in hopes to spark a love and a need to keep them from vanishing from our planet. Child killers, they are not. It's unfortunate for the conservation of the species, and the loss of revenue a beautiful zoo such as Cinci will lose. tragedy all around.
*me working (very carefully) with a 400+ pound silverback circa 2009
21 hrs ?
I am going to try to clear up a few things that have been weighing on me about Harambe and the Cinci Zoo since I read the news this afternoon.
I have worked with Gorillas as a zookeeper while in my twenties (before children) and they are my favorite animal (out of dozens) that I have ever worked closely with. I am gonna go ahead and list a few facts, thoughts and opinions for those of you that aren't familiar with the species itself, or how a zoo operates in emergency situations.
Now Gorillas are considered 'gentle giants' at least when compared with their more aggressive cousins the chimpanzee, but a 400+ pound male in his prime is as strong as roughly 10 adult humans. What can you bench press? OK, now multiply that number by ten. An adult male silverback gorilla has one job, to protect his group. He does this by bluffing or intimidating anything that he feels threatened by.
Gorillas are considered a Class 1 mammal, the most dangerous class of mammals in the animal kingdom, again, merely due to their size and strength. They are grouped in with other apes, tigers, lions, bears, etc.
While working in an AZA accredited zoo with Apes, keepers DO NOT work in contact with them. Meaning they do NOT go in with these animals. There is always a welded mesh barrier between the animal and the humans.
In more recent decades, zoos have begun to redesign enclosures, removing all obvious caging and attempting to create a seamless view of the animals for the visitor to enjoy watching animals in a more natural looking habitat. *this is great until little children begin falling into exhibits* which of course can happen to anyone, especially in a crowded zoo-like setting.
I have watched this video over again, and with the silverback's postering, and tight lips, it's pretty much the stuff of any keeper's nightmares, and I have had MANY while working with them. This job is not for the complacent. Gorillas are kind, curious, and sometimes silly, but they are also very large, very strong animals. I always brought my OCD to work with me. checking and rechecking locks to make sure my animals and I remained separated before entering to clean.
I keep hearing that the Gorilla was trying to protect the boy. I do not find this to be true. Harambe reaches for the boys hands and arms, but only to position the child better for his own displaying purposes.
Males do very elaborate displays when highly agitated, slamming and dragging things about. Typically they would drag large branches, barrels and heavy weighted balls around to make as much noise as possible. Not in an effort to hurt anyone or anything (usually) but just to intimidate. It was clear to me that he was reacting to the screams coming from the gathering crowd.
Harambe was most likely not going to separate himself from that child without seriously hurting him first (again due to mere size and strength, not malicious intent) Why didn't they use treats? well, they attempted to call them off exhibit (which animals hate), the females in the group came in, but Harambe did not. What better treat for a captive animal than a real live kid!
They didn't use Tranquilizers for a few reasons, A. Harambe would've taken too long to become immobilized, and could have really injured the child in the process as the drugs used may not work quickly enough depending on the stress of the situation and the dose B. Harambe would've have drowned in the moat if immobilized in the water, and possibly fallen on the boy trapping him and drowning him as well.
Many zoos have the protocol to call on their expertly trained dart team in the event of an animal escape or in the event that a human is trapped with a dangerous animal. They will evaluate the scene as quickly and as safely as possible, and will make the most informed decision as how they will handle the animal.
I can't point fingers at anyone in this situation, but we need to really evaluate the safety of the animal enclosures from the visitor side. Not impeding that view is a tough one, but there should be no way that someone can find themselves inside of an animal's exhibit.
I know one thing for sure, those keepers lost a beautiful, and I mean gorgeous silverback and friend. I feel their loss with them this week. As educators and conservators of endangered species, all we can do is shine a light on the beauty and majesty of these animals in hopes to spark a love and a need to keep them from vanishing from our planet. Child killers, they are not. It's unfortunate for the conservation of the species, and the loss of revenue a beautiful zoo such as Cinci will lose. tragedy all around.
*me working (very carefully) with a 400+ pound silverback circa 2009
A horrible loss for all..
A horrible loss for all..
I was a volunteer Zoo Educational Docent off and on for about 10 years. The dedication of zoo animal handling staffs is undeniable.
We lost an elder chimpanzee some years ago due to old age and the tears flowed among immediate staff like the death of a beloved family member.
It was heart wrenching to me hearing about this incident.
A beautiful rare animal was killed. I hope something good comes out of this situation.
I just wonder how the parent allowed this child to make his way into the outdoor exhibit area.
Zoos take every precaution to prevent this form happening, but if you, even as a determined child, try to circumnavigate the outdoor exhibit safeguards, it can be done.
There is no underestimating the stupidity of the general public.
We see examples every day on the news.
A horrible loss for all..
I was a volunteer Zoo Educational Docent off and on for about 10 years. The dedication of zoo animal handling staffs is undeniable.
We lost an elder chimpanzee some years ago due to old age and the tears flowed among immediate staff like the death of a beloved family member.
It was heart wrenching to me hearing about this incident.
A beautiful rare animal was killed. I hope something good comes out of this situation.
I just wonder how the parent allowed this child to make his way into the outdoor exhibit area.
Zoos take every precaution to prevent this form happening, but if you, even as a determined child, try to circumnavigate the outdoor exhibit safeguards, it can be done.
There is no underestimating the stupidity of the general public.
We see examples every day on the news.
Maybe, after hindsight of course, the 1st 3 ft fence (not very tall to get over ) should be 5 ft?:shrug:
I think zoos, especially SeaWorlds should be closed on an attrition basis. Harambe was born and raised in captivity, and there was never any intent to introduce him into the wild. That is extremely unfortunate to me.
I don't blame the parents at all. I might be a bit angry at them, but only to the same degree I would be mad at myself if an accident of this magnitude happened to me while watching my grandsons. I do believe it was an accident and 3 year old kids are fast.
It's a sad ending for the gorilla, but it was inevitable for him. He was dying at the hands of humans since the day he was born.
I fucking hate zoos almost as much as Sea World.
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I don't blame the parents at all. I might be a bit angry at them, but only to the same degree I would be mad at myself if an accident of this magnitude happened to me while watching my grandsons. I do believe it was an accident and 3 year old kids are fast.
It's a sad ending for the gorilla, but it was inevitable for him. He was dying at the hands of humans since the day he was born.
I fucking hate zoos almost as much as Sea World.
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you are dead wrong here fdc. The parents are 100 percent at fault. A little personal responsibility for this family would go a long way.
I don't know man. There were a couple eyewitness statements saying the parents weren't at fault.
I wasn't there so I can't really say whether the parents were negligent or not. The couple is in their thirties and have more than one child. I think having your 3 year old being in the hands of a gorilla and the guilt of watching said gorilla shot in front of your family may just be enough for me to think a lesson has been learned. They're getting throttled on social media as well.
It sucks all the way around.
That's just my opinion.
Hope this helps,
FDC
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You're always right 50% of the time when you play both sides of the argument........:0008
